Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

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Why are there SO MANY PLAGUES to come?
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The plagues are an expression of God's wrath against the unbelieving and the ungodly. At the moment it seems like the evildoers are getting away with just about any criminality they choose. Lawlessness has now become the norm. And once Satan and his evil angels occupy this earth, things are going to get much worse. Therefore divine judgments are reserved for the future.
 
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1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

3A nd the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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Look, all the plagues happen and Verse 15 is still BELIEVERS on Earth!
 
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Nowhere does it say the Christians will be cut off, only those [and the idols with their wicked worshipers.]
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My point is that, the church will not be here when the Day of the Lord is taking place.

Listen I don't want to fight with you anymore about this. All have been trying to do is make you understand that God's coming wrath is not appointed for the church and He is therefore going to fulfill His promise by gathering us from the earth prior to those plagues of wrath.

If you want to continue believing that God is going to treat those who believe in His Son the same as the wicked, then you are free to believe that. But as for myself and others here who know the truth, we know that the Lord is going to remove His church prior to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
 
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My point is that, the church will not be here when the Day of the Lord is taking place.

Listen I don't want to fight with you anymore about this. All have been trying to do is make you understand that God's coming wrath is not appointed for the church and He is therefore going to fulfill His promise by gathering us from the earth prior to those plagues of wrath.

If you want to continue believing that God is going to treat those who believe in His Son the same as the wicked, then you are free to believe that. But as for myself and others here who know the truth, we know that the Lord is going to remove His church prior to the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
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Revelation 16 claims there will be Believers on Earth even after all of God's Wrath!

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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Look, all the plagues happen and Verse 15 is still BELIEVERS on Earth!
 
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Covid is not the point. You don't listen.
If Covid can come upon the entire world and all of those infected and die are non Believers, less than 7% were Christian, God's WRATH can hit the sinners without touching us Believers the same way.
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Why did God allow the 7% who were Christian to get covid and die? Is God only 93% effective in the protection He offers? Do you really view "without touching us believers" as "without touching 93% of us believers"?
 
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VARob said:
Why did God allow the 7% who were Christian to get covid and die? Is God only 93% effective in the protection He offers? Do you really view "without touching us believers" as "without touching 93% of us believers"?
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Obviously, those who did die were meant to die. Their [Race] was over.
 
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15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
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Look, all the plagues happen and Verse 15 is still BELIEVERS on Earth!


No one in Heaven will be defined by this Verse because no one in Heaven needs to be rewarded for Watching for Christ's Return or for not walking around naked!

That clearly shows Believers on Earth even after God's Wrath has been poured out!
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Biblical Proof Believers will go through the Tribulation!
 
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Biblical Proof Believers will go through the Tribulation!
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Believers will go through the tribulation, but Christian believers won’t. After the rapture, when every Christian will be taken up, almost immediately other people who previously did not believe will come to believe.
 
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Based on what?
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If i could guess, based upon health and they would not make it through the Tribulation if it were to begin immediately.

The few Believers I knew that died of Covid were poor health and had pre health risk before Covid.
 
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VARob said:
Believers will go through the tribulation, but Christian believers won’t. After the rapture, when every Christian will be taken up, almost immediately other people who previously did not believe will come to believe.
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There is no Verse that spells pre-trib Rapture.
That is a man made myth!
 
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AandW said:
See, I also said you read my posts like it's obvious how you read the Bible!

I never once said 70 A.D. fulfilled all of Matthew 24.
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Is that so? Well then tell us EXACTLY which verses pertain to 70AD and which pertain to the end times yet future.

If indeed you are able. Come on now.... don't be shy.
 
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Show me the specific Verse that states like Revelation 16:15 to be watching for christ to return and not be in shame, BUT, it's states there is a pre tribulation rapture?
 
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If i could guess, based upon health and they would not make it through the Tribulation if it were to begin immediately.

The few Believers I knew that died of Covid were poor health and had pre health risk before Covid.
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So only healthy Christians will be protected?
 
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Is that so? Well then tell us EXACTLY which verses pertain to 70AD and which pertain to the end times yet future.

If indeed you are able. Come on now.... don't be shy.
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I did once already
 
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Is that so? Well then tell us EXACTLY which verses pertain to 70AD and which pertain to the end times yet future.

If indeed you are able. Come on now.... don't be shy.
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Matthew 24:1-2 Christ begins talking about the Temple being destroyed [70 A.D.]
Verses 4-14 [Future beyond 70 A.D.]
Verses 15-22 [70 A.D.]
Verses 23-31 [Future beyond 70 A.D.]
 
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