Why did god create dinosaurs and cavemen?

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starfield

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#81
I think the idea of prehistoric cavemen is folklore just like the tooth fairy.
Why did God make dinosaurs? For the exact same reason He made dogs, cats, etc.:p
 
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Here is my problem with the young earth theory...

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

God cannot lie and in fact ther eis no variableness and no shadow of turning. So how'd He create a universe and an earth that is not what it appears to be?
John Wesley's Commentary of James 1:17 reads:

With whom is no variableness - No change in his understanding. Or shadow of turning - in his will. He infallibly discerns all good and evil; and invariably loves one, and hates the other.
 

Huckleberry

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Aug 25, 2013
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#84
Dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, that's scientific fact.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it wasn't scientifically.
Maybe you don't understand hard science.
There are only two hard sciences, i.e., chemistry and physics.
These two sciences can be reduced to mathematics.

Radiometric dating, geology, archeology,
or whatever method you thinks makes your statement a "scientific fact",
are based on assumptions that cannot be backed up with hard numbers.

Here's a fact for you:
Lizards exist today that are miniature specimens of known dinosaur fossils.
This can be shown physically.
Dinosaurs are not "extinct", they have been stunted by "Climate Change",
kind of like how your intellect has been stunted by your lifestyle.
 
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#85
No



The bible doesn't say how old the earth is, but its much older than 6000 yrs.
Dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, that's scientific fact.



It matters because if evolution exist, then the bible is a lie.

i think you need to evole out of your nonesense huhhh evolution whatever
 

john832

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May 31, 2013
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#86
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but it wasn't scientifically.
Maybe you don't understand hard science.
There are only two hard sciences, i.e., chemistry and physics.
These two sciences can be reduced to mathematics.

Radiometric dating, geology, archeology,
or whatever method you thinks makes your statement a "scientific fact",
are based on assumptions that cannot be backed up with hard numbers.

Here's a fact for you:
Lizards exist today that are miniature specimens of known dinosaur fossils.
This can be shown physically.
Dinosaurs are not "extinct", they have been stunted by "Climate Change",
kind of like how your intellect has been stunted by your lifestyle.
Ever hear of half-life? This is something that can be measured and quantified. The half life of certain elements as they mature to lead demands a much longer period of time than 6000 years. Sorry, but your have hoist on your own pitard.
 

Dan58

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Nov 13, 2013
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#88
i think you need to evole out of your nonesense huhhh evolution whatever
I think you misunderstood, I do not believe in evolution because it contradicts what the bible teaches.

explain this preadamic thing please
Some Christians, myself included, believe that an earth age existed prior to the creation in Genesis 1:2. Man did not exist in that first earth age millions of years ago. God destroyed it after Satan's rebellion, the earth was completely annihilated, dinosaurs and all (2 Peter 3:5-7).

The bible does not claim a young earth.. Genesis 1:2; "And the earth was without form and void". Was is the wrong English word here, the Hebrew word used for "was" is "hayah" (Strong's ref #1961). Hayah means; to become or came to pass. So verse two should correctly read that 'The earth became void and without form'. Millions of years could have passed between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis.... http://www.biblestudysite.com/begin.htm

Not everyone subscribes to this, but it makes sense to me.
 

john832

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#89
explain this preadamic thing please
I am assuming this is a serious question...

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

These two verses cover an extremely long period of time...

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Every thing God has ever made has been perfect, He does make mistakes and there are no do-overs, so with this in mind...

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

The creation was not a mess, it was beautiful and orderly until...

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word "was" here is translated from...

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

This is some help, but how is the word used elsewhere? It is used as "was" and it is used as "shall be" and it is used as "become"...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

became here comes from hayah.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

"is become" here is the same word. The meaning is dictated by the context. OK, back to verse 2

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

wittout form:

H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

void:

H922
בּהוּ
bôhû
bo'-hoo
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.

Isa 34:11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.

Here in Jer 34:11, confusion comes from tohu and emptiness comes from bohu. The same words as Gen 1:2.

Does this sound like the handiwork of God? Of course not, it makes much more sense to translate this as "became chaos and confusion" "became a desolation and undistinghishable ruin". A ruin is what is left of something of value when it is destroyed. Now all of this in light of...

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

And it becomes unthinkable that God created the heavens and the earth in chaos and confusion. So what happened?

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

And like the spoiled brat that he is, he destroyed the universe and the earth.

Beginning in verse 2 we see God beginning the re-creation...

Psa 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

God originally created the heavens and the earth beautiful and perfect. He does not create confusion and emptiness. When Satan rebelled...

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

His name was changed from Light Bringer to Destroyer and Adversary. He destroyed the earth and God re-created it...

Psa 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Gen 1:2 is the beginning of the renewing of the earth.
 

john832

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May 31, 2013
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#90
I think you misunderstood, I do not believe in evolution because it contradicts what the bible teaches.



Some Christians, myself included, believe that an earth age existed prior to the creation in Genesis 1:2. Man did not exist in that first earth age millions of years ago. God destroyed it after Satan's rebellion, the earth was completely annihilated, dinosaurs and all (2 Peter 3:5-7).

The bible does not claim a young earth.. Genesis 1:2; "And the earth was without form and void". Was is the wrong English word here, the Hebrew word used for "was" is "hayah" (Strong's ref #1961). Hayah means; to become or came to pass. So verse two should correctly read that 'The earth became void and without form'. Millions of years could have passed between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis.... http://www.biblestudysite.com/begin.htm

Not everyone subscribes to this, but it makes sense to me.
Very nice and concise, I was typing at the same time and as usual, am verbose.

By the way, interesting site, I have not seen this before.
 

jb

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Feb 27, 2010
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#91
I am assuming this is a serious question...

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

These two verses cover an extremely long period of time...

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Every thing God has ever made has been perfect, He does make mistakes and there are no do-overs, so with this in mind...

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psa 33:7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
Psa 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

The creation was not a mess, it was beautiful and orderly until...

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word "was" here is translated from...

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

This is some help, but how is the word used elsewhere? It is used as "was" and it is used as "shall be" and it is used as "become"...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

became here comes from hayah.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

"is become" here is the same word. The meaning is dictated by the context. OK, back to verse 2

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

wittout form:

H8414
תּהוּ
tôhû
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.

void:

H922
בּהוּ
bôhû
bo'-hoo
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.

Isa 34:11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.

Here in Jer 34:11, confusion comes from tohu and emptiness comes from bohu. The same words as Gen 1:2.

Does this sound like the handiwork of God? Of course not, it makes much more sense to translate this as "became chaos and confusion" "became a desolation and undistinghishable ruin". A ruin is what is left of something of value when it is destroyed. Now all of this in light of...

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

And it becomes unthinkable that God created the heavens and the earth in chaos and confusion. So what happened?

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

And like the spoiled brat that he is, he destroyed the universe and the earth.

Beginning in verse 2 we see God beginning the re-creation...

Psa 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

God originally created the heavens and the earth beautiful and perfect. He does not create confusion and emptiness. When Satan rebelled...

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

His name was changed from Light Bringer to Destroyer and Adversary. He destroyed the earth and God re-created it...

Psa 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

Gen 1:2 is the beginning of the renewing of the earth.
Just to add Jer 4v23-28 (which is relevant) to the above...
 
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dinasours were not serpants ,why are there fossils of dinasours and we have snakes today ?
ser·pent (sûr
p
nt)
n.1. A reptile of the order Serpentes; a snake.
2. often Serpenta. In the Bible, the creature that tempted Eve.
b. Satan.

3. A subtle, sly, or treacherous person.

di·no·saur (d
n
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)n.1. Any of various extinct, often gigantic, carnivorous or herbivorous reptiles of the orders Saurischia and Ornithischia that were chiefly terrestrial and existed during the Mesozoic Era.



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Evolution of today...

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RachelBibleStudent

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#93
God created dinosaurs because they are amazing...

'cavemen' are just human beings who lived in caves...they were not as primitive as many people think...and they are descendants of adam and eve too...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#94
When Cain was sent away he said whoever found him would kill him.. Maybe these others he feared were cavemen.. I really don't know and I might not even understand that part about Cain being cast out..
probably cain assumed that his parents would have more children...and worried that someone from a later generation might hunt him down and kill him because of his infamy...

also the hebrew word cain uses to refer to those who would kill him is 'kol' which literally means 'all'...its meaning is not restricted to only referring to people...so it is possible that cain also feared that he might be killed by a wild animal...
 
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'cavemen' are ... descendants of adam and eve too...
I doubt it. European cavemen were around a long time before Adam and Eve. They were living in caves and making statuettes of goddesses 20000-30000years BC whereas Adam is supposed to have lived circa 4000BC.

Adam is better regarded as the initiator of monotheism, and especially of the Jews and Semites etc. The Jews do not appear to have treated the Gentiles as descendants of Adam.
 
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The_highwayman

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#97
Another things many folks miss are 2 words used in the first few chapters of Genesis that mean completely different things.

Created and made
 
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#98
I think you misunderstood, I do not believe in evolution because it contradicts what the bible teaches.



Some Christians, myself included, believe that an earth age existed prior to the creation in Genesis 1:2. Man did not exist in that first earth age millions of years ago. God destroyed it after Satan's rebellion, the earth was completely annihilated, dinosaurs and all (2 Peter 3:5-7).

The bible does not claim a young earth.. Genesis 1:2; "And the earth was without form and void". Was is the wrong English word here, the Hebrew word used for "was" is "hayah" (Strong's ref #1961). Hayah means; to become or came to pass. So verse two should correctly read that 'The earth became void and without form'. Millions of years could have passed between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis.... http://www.biblestudysite.com/begin.htm

Not everyone subscribes to this, but it makes sense to me.

hmmm so please explain this thank you based on ypur theory

The devil rebelled and the big war happen thus God recreted a new earth with the stigy devil on it to cause havoc and mess up His crreation again hmmm

Moses was writing a story hmmm on what day did God create water ? hmmm it preadamic hmmmm
 
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Another things many folks miss are 2 words used in the first few chapters of Genesis that mean completely different things.

Created and made

what people missed is this thus

[h=3]Genesis 1:1[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


Then Moses summarises it in verse one then breaks it down in steps hmmmmm

 
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I doubt it. European cavemen were around a long time before Adam and Eve. They were living in caves and making statuettes of goddesses 20000-30000years BC whereas Adam is supposed to have lived circa 4000BC.

Adam is better regarded as the initiator of monotheism, and especially of the Jews and Semites etc. The Jews do not appear to have treated the Gentiles as descendants of Adam.

So were the giants I wondr if they were dumb ?