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Here are some places I think apply to this :
King James Version
John 1:
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Colossians 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Revelation 4: 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created...
You can get into a lot of other questions that, im not going to talk about with typing . Like the age of the fossils , the Earth, scriptures for that, etc etc. but im really tired of typing
King James Version
John 1:
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Colossians 1:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Revelation 4: 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created...
You can get into a lot of other questions that, im not going to talk about with typing . Like the age of the fossils , the Earth, scriptures for that, etc etc. but im really tired of typing
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Carbon dating is NOT an accurate measurement of time. After Mt. St. Helens blew and all the dust settled, they found bones of animals, buried beneith the dust and lava and they dated out to millions of years old, but were on the surface of the earth, just under the dust. This proved the error factor of carbon dating.
Why did God make dinosaurs? Why not? They were just another species. And Remember...before Adam and Eve messed it all up, ALL of the earth was at peace...all creatures were at peace with each other. Man walked WITH the dinosaurs without fear. It was only after the sin and expulsion from the Garden that animals became carnivorous. And so in that repsect, they became no different than lions, tigers and bears....Oh My!!
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Why did God make dinosaurs? Why not? They were just another species. And Remember...before Adam and Eve messed it all up, ALL of the earth was at peace...all creatures were at peace with each other. Man walked WITH the dinosaurs without fear. It was only after the sin and expulsion from the Garden that animals became carnivorous. And so in that repsect, they became no different than lions, tigers and bears....Oh My!!
Maggie
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I believe in the old Earth, and one thing I think is a strong point here is that if dinosaurs really existed a mere few thousand years ago, we should find intact DNA from them like we find from woolly mammoths and other things that died out that recently. Instead dino bones are all fossilized and all the DNA has decayed beyond measurement That at least shows that dinosaurs existed long before anything we've found DNA from. From an old Earth view, we consider ourselves to have only found DNA up to about 400,000 years old
That at least shows that dinosaurs existed long before anything we've found DNA from. From an old Earth view, we consider ourselves to have only found DNA up to about 400,000 years old
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The earth is only about 6,000 years old. There's a simple time line that supports this evidence. Adam to Abraham was 2,000 years.Abraham to Christ was another 2,000 years. And Christ till today is about another 2,000 years. There are still dinosaurs walking the earth today ! Check Ken Hamm's ministry: Answers in Genesis.
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grief ... come on .............. No where in the Bible does it say the earth is only the age you said... Because before any of the days, that are used as the creation, before those, In Gen 1:1 :God said He created the heavens and the earth, in the beginning ; that shows that the Earth, was already in existence , in the beginning, but He never told you when the beginning was...
All your given for time is how long it took give or take, for the things created in the 6 days. What people see as the earth and sun there, is talking about something a bit more deeper then meets the eye at first glace, because of whats hidden in Gen1:2/.
All your given for time is how long it took give or take, for the things created in the 6 days. What people see as the earth and sun there, is talking about something a bit more deeper then meets the eye at first glace, because of whats hidden in Gen1:2/.
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Hey MaggieMye, I was trying to read up on those Mt. St. Helens results and I saw an atheist directing people to an atheist website which said:
"1. Austin sent his samples to a laboratory that clearly states that their equipment cannot accurately measure samples less than two million years old. All of the measured ages but one fall well under the stated limit of accuracy, so the method applied to them is obviously inapplicable. Since Austin misused the measurement technique, he should expect inaccurate results, but the fault is his, not the technique's. Experimental error is a possible explanation for the older date.
2.Austin's samples were not homogeneous, as he himself admitted. Any xenocrysts in the samples would make the samples appear older (because the xenocrysts themselves would be old). A K-Ar analysis of impure fractions of the sample, as Austin's were, is meaningless."
Help me think about this? In English, to me that looks like:
1. the wrong test was done, one that doesn't give accurate results on things only 20 years old
2. the bones were contaminated by older material 'xenocrysts' (maybe?)
Being an old Earther I'm might find myself on the side of the atheists here
"1. Austin sent his samples to a laboratory that clearly states that their equipment cannot accurately measure samples less than two million years old. All of the measured ages but one fall well under the stated limit of accuracy, so the method applied to them is obviously inapplicable. Since Austin misused the measurement technique, he should expect inaccurate results, but the fault is his, not the technique's. Experimental error is a possible explanation for the older date.
2.Austin's samples were not homogeneous, as he himself admitted. Any xenocrysts in the samples would make the samples appear older (because the xenocrysts themselves would be old). A K-Ar analysis of impure fractions of the sample, as Austin's were, is meaningless."
Help me think about this? In English, to me that looks like:
1. the wrong test was done, one that doesn't give accurate results on things only 20 years old
2. the bones were contaminated by older material 'xenocrysts' (maybe?)
Being an old Earther I'm might find myself on the side of the atheists here
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Ya birds are dinosaurs
And although they aren't a part of the dinosaur family, crocodiles, sharks and coelacanth fish have barely changed since dino times
But I'm personally suspicious of the completeness of the biblical lineage there, I don't think it's a far fetched interpretation to not take the 'begat' section too literally, especially with all the scientific evidence for an old Earth (as I understand it to be)
And although they aren't a part of the dinosaur family, crocodiles, sharks and coelacanth fish have barely changed since dino times
But I'm personally suspicious of the completeness of the biblical lineage there, I don't think it's a far fetched interpretation to not take the 'begat' section too literally, especially with all the scientific evidence for an old Earth (as I understand it to be)
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Ya birds are dinosaurs
And although they aren't a part of the dinosaur family, crocodiles, sharks and coelacanth fish have barely changed since dino times
But I'm personally suspicious of the completeness of the biblical lineage there, I don't think it's a far fetched interpretation to not take the 'begat' section too literally, especially with all the scientific evidence for an old Earth (as I understand it to be)
And although they aren't a part of the dinosaur family, crocodiles, sharks and coelacanth fish have barely changed since dino times
But I'm personally suspicious of the completeness of the biblical lineage there, I don't think it's a far fetched interpretation to not take the 'begat' section too literally, especially with all the scientific evidence for an old Earth (as I understand it to be)
Birds are dinosaurs ??? I guess you watched that movie Jurassic Park one too many times.
I can see in the word of God, that the earth is left as it is, that it is billions of years in age.
But, that does not mean, that I believe in evolution. The age of the earth , & evolution , are two completely separate things..
I see that people like to believe the earth is old, that is fine, I believe that the Word of God does not dispute that... But, then you have people that like to work Evolution into that and interconnect it.
God created. Nothing "evolved". The fossil record shows as much even...
Anyway, rant about it because, I see people trying to work Evolution into Christianity, into the Bible, and it is not written in the Bible.
And the " begats" are within recent time, they are not going back millions or billions of years, but just record back a few thousand years. So there is no need to use them for the age of the earth, you cant get any information for the age of the earth from the Genealogy recorded there.
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Yar I've heard it, I wasn't sure so I just did a quick google search and found the website of the ultimate museum in New York, Birds are Dinosaurs;
"Not all dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. One group survived, and we see their descendents every day. We call them birds. Paleontologists recognized this link over 125 years ago, and have been investigating it ever since. Discoveries have included shared skeletal features like hollow bones and hips that allow walking upright, and fossils of feathers and nesting grounds. New finds continue to fill in the bird family tree and shed light on ancient dinosaur behavior."
And of course, we all know about the archaeopteryx line of transitional fossils
I think God made us through evolution, you said there's no mention of evolution in the bible, but there's no mention of lots of real things in the bible
"Not all dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. One group survived, and we see their descendents every day. We call them birds. Paleontologists recognized this link over 125 years ago, and have been investigating it ever since. Discoveries have included shared skeletal features like hollow bones and hips that allow walking upright, and fossils of feathers and nesting grounds. New finds continue to fill in the bird family tree and shed light on ancient dinosaur behavior."
And of course, we all know about the archaeopteryx line of transitional fossils
I think God made us through evolution, you said there's no mention of evolution in the bible, but there's no mention of lots of real things in the bible
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Yar I've heard it, I wasn't sure so I just did a quick google search;
"Not all dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. One group survived, and we see their descendents every day. We call them birds. Paleontologists recognized this link over 125 years ago, and have been investigating it ever since. Discoveries have included shared skeletal features like hollow bones and hips that allow walking upright, and fossils of feathers and nesting grounds. New finds continue to fill in the bird family tree and shed light on ancient dinosaur behavior."
And of course, we all know about the archaeopteryx line of transitional fossils
I think God made us through evolution, you said there's no mention of evolution in the bible, but there's no mention of lots of real things in the bible
"Not all dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago. One group survived, and we see their descendents every day. We call them birds. Paleontologists recognized this link over 125 years ago, and have been investigating it ever since. Discoveries have included shared skeletal features like hollow bones and hips that allow walking upright, and fossils of feathers and nesting grounds. New finds continue to fill in the bird family tree and shed light on ancient dinosaur behavior."
And of course, we all know about the archaeopteryx line of transitional fossils
I think God made us through evolution, you said there's no mention of evolution in the bible, but there's no mention of lots of real things in the bible
The Bible never says that God made us by evolution; the idea of evolution is man made.. It is not written.. As a Christian I must take everything to the letter as written very seriously..
All things; taught in the Bible, are "real things" . The question is , have we read it, with any, degree of understanding those things we are reading... Or have we truly ask God for help to understand, and wanted it ?
I don't like the theory of Evolution, because it is not written in the Bible. And, it is a bad science.
I'll quote one of my favorite Christians work he did about Creation and Evolution :
The Introduction to Genesis (and to the whole Bible) Genesis 1:1-2:3, ascribes everything to the living God, creating, making, acting, moving, and speaking. There is no room for evolution without a flat denial of Divine revelation. One must be true, the other false. All God's works were pronounced "good" seven times (see Appendix 10), videlicet: Genesis 1:4,10,12,18,21,25,31. They are "great," Psalm 111:2. Revelation 15:3. They are "wondrous," Job 37:14. They are "perfect," Deuteronomy 32:4.
Man starts from nothing. He begins in helplessness, ignorance, and inexperience. All his works, therefore, proceed on the principle of evolution. This principle is seen only in human affairs : from the hut to the palace ; from the canoe to the ocean liner ; from the spade and ploughshare to machines for drilling, reaping, and binding, etc. But the birds build their nests to-day as at the beginning. The moment we pass the boundary line, and enter the Divine sphere, no trace or vestige of evolution is seen. There is growth and development within, but no passing, change, or evolution out from one into another. On the other hand, all God's works are perfect.
Evolution is only one of several theories invented to explain the phenomena of created things. It is admitted by all scientists that no one of these theories covers all the ground ; and the greatest claim made for Evolution, or Darwinism, is that "it covers more ground than any of the others."
The Word of God claims to cover all the ground : and the only way in which this claim is met, is by a denial of the inspiration of the Scriptures, in order to weaken it. This is the special work undertaken by so-called "Higher Criticism", which bases its conclusions on human assumptions and reasoning, instead of on the documentary evidence of manuscripts, as Textual Criticism does.
( E W Bullinger )
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