Why do Atheists Bother?

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Three weeks before the actual eruption, rumbling noises that resembled thunder were heard by people near Parícutin village. These were actually deep earthquakes.[SUP][3][/SUP] The volcano began as a fissure in a cornfield owned by a P'urhépecha farmer, Dionisio Pulido, on February 20, 1943. He and his wife witnessed the initial eruption of ash and stones first-hand while working in the field.[SUP][3][/SUP] The volcano grew quickly, reaching five stories tall in just a week, and it could be seen from afar in a month. Much of the volcano's growth occurred during its first year, while it was still in the explosive pyroclastic phase. The nearby villages Parícutin (after which the volcano was named) and San Juan Parangaricutiro were buried in lava and ash; the residents relocated to vacant land nearby.
At the end of this phase, after roughly one year, the volcano had grown 336 metres (1,102 feet) tall. For the next eight years the volcano continued erupting, although this was dominated by relatively quiet eruptions of lava that scorched the surrounding 25 square kilometres (9.7 square miles; 6,200 acres) of land.[SUP][4][/SUP] The volcano's activity slowly declined during this period until the last six months of the eruption, during which violent and explosive activity was frequent. In 1952, the eruption ended and Parícutin went quiet, attaining a final height of 424 metres (1,391 feet) above the cornfield where it began. The volcano has been quiet since then. Like most cinder cones, Parícutin is believed to be a monogenetic volcano, which means that once it has finished erupting, it will never erupt again. Any new eruptions in a monogenetic volcanic field will erupt in a new location.
Volcanism is a common part of the Mexican landscape. Parícutin is merely the youngest of more than 1,400 volcanic vents that exist in the Trans-Mexican Volcanic Belt and North America. Three people died as a result of lightning strikes caused by the eruptions, but no deaths were attributed to the lava nor asphyxiation.

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This is just a bonus. Your post just made me think of it...and I find it interesting.
 

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Is the following how the debate will go?

You claim there are no intermediate species.
We present examples of intermediate species.
You claim there are no intermediate species with x traits.
We present examples of intermediate species with x traits.
You claim there are no intermediate species with y traits.
We present examples of intermediate species with y traits.
You claim there are no intermediate species with z traits.
We admit we have not yet found those particular intermediate species.
You claim victory.

We have so many examples of transitional forms in which we can clearly see the evolution of numerous different traits over time. There will always be gaps in the fossil record and it's absolutely ridiculous to play this game where you expect us to provide examples of every single species that has ever existed.

I can provide numerous examples of transitional forms in which you can observe certain attributes forming such as wings, trunks, elongated necks, etc.,etc.,etc. Are you going to keep demanding proof until you find something I can't find and ignore all the proof I have dug up for you? If not, I'll gladly provide numerous examples of transitional forms.



Mountains are formed when plate tectonics collide into each other, pushing the land upward. This means fossils at sea level can (and were) pushed upward unto the peaks of mountains.

You don't care though, "God did it" is the only answer you need, want, and will ever consider - which makes it pointless for you to expect others to change their mind if you can't even open your own.
Percepi can I please have a transitional fossil!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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There are these tansitional forms.jpg

And also these horse transition.jpg

They're really easy to find if you care to look for them.
 

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Dude, hold on did you just google those pictures or what?

Messohippus, and the horse evolution has been known to be a hoax for years...

Lucy was found in different strata more than 100 yards apart to forge different legs than the head and so on... The persons grant money was about to run out and POOF! Missing link fossil shows up...

Homo Habilis is a lucy fossil, which means it's just a tree climbing monkey, not a upright walking hybrid.

All fossils of Erectus show that the crainum is the exact same size, the face is the exact same dimension of a modern human. And p.s. H. Erectus is JAVA MAN WHICH WAS A HOAX FOR MANY YEARS!


Again I ask, show me a transitional fossil!
 
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They can't the only thing that is their defense is millions of years. No missing link and cross species evidence. Just so called educated guesses. Nothing more.
 

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They can't the only thing that is their defense is millions of years. No missing link and cross species evidence. Just so called educated guesses. Nothing more.
You have to admit they got some good artists... Remember Nebraska man? Made from a pig tooth, and this is what they thought it looked like










A PIG TOOTH!!! HAHAHAHHAA
THE ONLY FOSSIL THEY FOUND WAS A PIG TOOTH AND THEY CREATE A HALF HUMAN APE! AHAHAHAHAHAH
 
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Yeah and I remember that they dug some old bones and attributed to some ancient time period and then found a serial number and it was an old farm implement. Anyways evolution is mathematically impossible they just refuse to see it. I meant I don't believe so it don't exist.
 

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Yeah and I remember that they dug some old bones and attributed to some ancient time period and then found a serial number and it was an old farm implement. Anyways evolution is mathematically impossible they just refuse to see it. I meant I don't believe so it don't exist.
They have a religion that is blind to them so they get a special seat where they can call other's ignorant for believing in something, and sit a mighty throne where they are "untouchable"...

I can't believe I was that naive once...
 
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Percepi can I please have a transitional fossil!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
T_Laurich, in the past when I have presented transitional fossils the creation side always denies it is transitional and argues that instead what I've given them is just another kind of animal. I really only expect you to do the same, I am sorry to say. Can you perhaps tell me what distinguishes a transitional fossil from one that is not transitional? I would like to present you with one, but would you mind telling me in advance what features it needs to possess to mark it clearly as transitional? I will then attempt to show you a fossil that has those features.

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Dude, hold on did you just google those pictures or what?

Messohippus, and the horse evolution has been known to be a hoax for years...

Lucy was found in different strata more than 100 yards apart to forge different legs than the head and so on... The persons grant money was about to run out and POOF! Missing link fossil shows up...

Homo Habilis is a lucy fossil, which means it's just a tree climbing monkey, not a upright walking hybrid.

All fossils of Erectus show that the crainum is the exact same size, the face is the exact same dimension of a modern human. And p.s. H. Erectus is JAVA MAN WHICH WAS A HOAX FOR MANY YEARS!


Again I ask, show me a transitional fossil!
The taxonomic classification of species based upon the observation of changes in biological characteristics is inherently a human application of categorization, but the reality is that every fossil is transitional in the sense that one fossil captures a particular image of an organism in a moment of time, an organism which changes over time and whose chronological evolution can be counted by the fossil record.

If you continually ask for more frequent 'pictures', or more intermediary fossil specimens, and they are never frequent enough, that's not evidence of their being no transitional fossils, it is evidence of your unwillingness to recognize them.
 
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Don't you find it strange that they have to dig stuff up and have no Idea what it is to discount God. When in churches all around the evidence is clearly given and repeatable. Talk about stuck on stupid. They bees stuck.
 
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You have to admit they got some good artists... Remember Nebraska man? Made from a pig tooth, and this is what they thought it looked like





A PIG TOOTH!!! HAHAHAHHAA
THE ONLY FOSSIL THEY FOUND WAS A PIG TOOTH AND THEY CREATE A HALF HUMAN APE! AHAHAHAHAHAH
What can you tell me about this pig tooth? Why were people fooled? I just wonder how much you actually know about this hoax that took place a hundred years ago?
 

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Human, you understand that you just said the the change happens slowly, then you said that the fossils will never be found in the way they change... This is a self contradiction...


Cycel, when someone claims your wrong and provides evidence, it is your job to defend the claim, if you cannot defend it then it is false... It is not my fault that they are forges... :)
 
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Maybe they grow a heart in that pig so you can live longer. Isn't God good.
 

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What can you tell me about this pig tooth? Why were people fooled? I just wonder how much you actually know about this hoax that took place a hundred years ago?
[video=youtube;qA8imkOCpd8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA8imkOCpd8[/video]
 
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Cycel, when someone claims your wrong and provides evidence, it is your job to defend the claim, if you cannot defend it then it is false... It is not my fault that they are forges...
Sorry T_Laurich, this does not answer the question. I openly admit that the Piltdown Man was a hoax. Everyone acknowledges this. You have been terribly critical of those who were fooled, but I wonder if you know why they were fooled. The tooth was that of a modern pig. Do these scientists not know a pig tooth when they see one? What happened here? Can you tell me?

Oh, and you probably will not find the answer on a creationist website.
 
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Human, you understand that you just said the the change happens slowly, then you said that the fossils will never be found in the way they change... This is a self contradiction...


Cycel, when someone claims your wrong and provides evidence, it is your job to defend the claim, if you cannot defend it then it is false... It is not my fault that they are forges... :)
What I said was that the classification of species is a human application of categorization, charting changes in biological characteristics that we consider sufficiently significant to warrant the classification at all. That classification allows us to chart organisms at various evolutionary positions, but it does not however, warrant the rigid compartmentalization of organisms that you apply in order to make an effort to discredit the theory of evolution itself.

Evolution is a fluid, continuous process wherein organisms constantly change over time. Every fossil is transitionary. We group fossils with certain characteristics together in order to distinguish between different periods of biological evolution, not to apply an idea that these are biologically unrelated organisms.

What you've said is a misrepresentation of my views and shows a misconception regarding what taxonomic classification actually is. Please properly understand my statements before you reply.
 

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Sorry T_Laurich, this does not answer the question. I openly admit that the Piltdown Man was a hoax. Everyone acknowledges this. You have been terribly critical of those who were fooled, but I wonder if you know why they were fooled. The tooth was that of a modern pig. Do these scientists not know a pig tooth when they see one? What happened here? Can you tell me?

Oh, and you probably will not find the answer on a creationist website.
Because a farmer told a scientist he found an ape tooth. The scientist looked at it and said BY GOOLLY ITS A MISSING LINK!

If I stop being critical I could not respond...
 
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Sorry T_Laurich, this does not answer the question. I openly admit that the Piltdown Man was a hoax. Everyone acknowledges this. You have been terribly critical of those who were fooled, but I wonder if you know why they were fooled. The tooth was that of a modern pig. Do these scientists not know a pig tooth when they see one? What happened here? Can you tell me?

Oh, and you probably will not find the answer on a creationist website.
Because they were trying ti disprove God and failed miserably. Docha ya tink.
 

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What I said was that the classification of species is a human application of categorization, charting changes in biological characteristics that we consider sufficiently significant to warrant the classification at all. That classification allows us to chart organisms at various evolutionary positions, but it does not however, warrant the rigid compartmentalization of organisms that you apply in order to make an effort to discredit the theory of evolution itself.

Evolution is a fluid, continuous process wherein organisms constantly change over time. Every fossil is transitionary. We group fossils with certain characteristics together in order to distinguish between different periods of biological evolution, not to apply an idea that these are biologically unrelated organisms.

What you've said is a misrepresentation of my views and shows a misconception regarding what taxonomic classification actually is. Please properly understand my statements before you reply.

Are you blind? All the missing links are "compartmentalized" if they were fluid it would prove it in a second... FOR INSTANCE SHOW ME A SKULL THAT ILLUSTRATES A REPTILE TURNING INTO A BIRD OVER TIME! Watch the skull slowly shrink, the nose slowly become a beak... That would prove it in a second, but instead you have a reptile skull, a crushed reptile skull, and a bird... and you go MISSING LINK!