Why do Atheists Bother?

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I have anything better to do than spend time on satanic websites. I shake the dust off my feet regarding such people.

Stupid is, stupid does.
Well, if you have never taken the time to do any research about what a satanist is, and don't intend do so, you should refrain from incorrectly stating what they believe. Especially when you do so in responce to a post that accurately depicts their belief and disagree with it. That's just spreading lies.
 
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Can you answer two things...
1 How can you have a quantum view of free will...(I underlined and made bold the sentence for your ease.)
2, Can you answer this next question in a yes your no:Is this definition possible in your philosophy,
yes or no?
Free will:the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.
I was not using quantum in a literal sense. I was being sarcastic, stating ways to look at something whic lend no practical view. I should have made my sarcasm more obvious I suppose. I am unaware of any way to actually consider free will in a quantum sense. I was basically equating taking that impractical view of something that we deal with practiaclly as just defining it in mumbo-jumbo, hard ot understand terms that serve no real purpose.
 

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I was not using quantum in a literal sense. I was being sarcastic, stating ways to look at something whic lend no practical view. I should have made my sarcasm more obvious I suppose. I am unaware of any way to actually consider free will in a quantum sense. I was basically equating taking that impractical view of something that we deal with practiaclly as just defining it in mumbo-jumbo, hard ot understand terms that serve no real purpose.
Can you answer the second question... I phrased it in a way to suit your "pragmatic" mind.
2, Can you answer this next question in a yes your no:Is this definition possible in your philosophy,
yes or no?
Free will:the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.
 
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How far away was the knee found from the thigh?
Just give me a rough estimate :)
I don't know off hand. Remains were often torn apart by scavengers before being buried. In any case it is irrelevant. Features pointing to bipedalism are present in different parts of the skeleton, not just the knee.

Other remains of A. afarensis have also been found and they too point to bipedalism. Lucy is not the only example we have of this species.
 
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Well, if you have never taken the time to do any research about what a satanist is, and don't intend do so, you should refrain from incorrectly stating what they believe. Especially when you do so in responce to a post that accurately depicts their belief and disagree with it. That's just spreading lies.
Denying Jesus' divinity is not only spreading lies, its living one. Nice knowin' ya!
 
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To the OP because they know the truth and are trying everything in their power to oppose it. Why else would they bother? Execpt maybe trolling.
 
Feb 16, 2014
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What about Lucy?
Java man?
Orce man?
You made the claim that Nebraska man was used to support evolution in the Scope's trial. Are you going to own up to this mistake?

Are you going to also admit that Piltdown man was used during the trial before it was discovered that Piltdown man was a fraud and stop acting as if scientists used a specimen they knew was fake?

Denying Jesus' divinity is not only spreading lies, its living one. Nice knowin' ya!
The point Leannaix is making is that you can't know something unless you take the time to learn about it. If you aren't willing to learn who Satanists are, what they think, and what they do, then you can't answer any of those questions. It's as simple as that.

If you want to say, "I won't even tread on a Satanist website, therefore I don't know what a Satanist is.", that's perfectly acceptable.
 
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I respectfully disagree, satanists believe in God but choose not to worship Him but rather satan himself, who they also believe in. That's completely different than atheists' point of view.
I had to look this up as I was unfamiliar with Satanism in general, having brushed it off long ago as a New Age Cult. It turns out there are two main branches, one theistic and the other atheistic. Leannaix mentioned the latter, though I don't think she named the first. It was formed in 1966 by Anton Szandor LaVey and apparently the members are atheists. Who'd have guessed? Satan is purely symbolic with this group as they do not believe an entity by that name exists. They don't believe in any gods at all.

I think it is an odd name for an group of atheists, don't you.
 
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Denying Jesus' divinity is not only spreading lies, its living one.
Making the claim that Jesus is not divine is not a lie when it is believed.
 
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Yes we do, and we are biding our time till you figure it out.
Kudos, but what if I'm right and you are wrong. If I'm wrong so what we just die and go to oblivion, but what if I am right?
 
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To the OP because they know the truth and are trying everything in their power to oppose it. Why else would they bother? Execpt maybe trolling.
If you're right, we'll burn in hell for all eternity. But what are the odds of you being right though? Which god is the right god? And which values are the correct values? In fact, how do we know the gods everyone worship are ALL wrong and that there is another god out there? What if this god rewards those who use logic and punishes those who cling hopelessly to deities? What if there's a god who only sends dolphins to heaven? What if god is real but the afterlife isn't?

Instead of trying to guess which god or which belief is correct and living accordingly, I decided I would invest my time and effort into the things I can know.What if I'm right? Then I wouldn't have wasted this one precious life of mine worshiping the wrong god, or doing things that seemed bad solely based on my religious views. I wouldn't waste my life being disturbed by other people's homosexuality, because the only reason to be bothered is because the Bible says we should. I wouldn't waste my life abstaining from sex with someone I love just because we weren't married - a belief based solely on the Bible. I wouldn't end a relationship with someone I care about just because they don't believe in God or because they think of God differently than I do - something I've see on here from time to time.

There are a lot of things I do not endorse such as murder, theft, pedophilia, rape, etc. But I don't fight against these things just because someone told me they were wrong, but because I base right and wrong on how actions effect other people.Instead of helping others because I want God to notice me, I help others because it genuinely feels good.

Please give this video a watch.

[video=youtube;fZpJ7yUPwdU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU[/video]

If the only reason you believe in God is because you fear death, or because you simply want to believe in him, you're doing it wrong. You should believe in God because that's the logical conclusion you came from, not an emotional one.
 
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I find it interesting that atheists spend the time trying to convince those around them that a God they don't believe in doesn't exist....Why do atheists feel so threatened and have to spend the time to do the above bolded if in their mind God does not exist?

If I believed something doesn't exist I will not waste my time on it.....!
 
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I'm not guessing. I know for a fact there is a God. You can't see Him, yet you can see Him work. My friend you are the one guessing and taking the chance. I have seen God work, I have seen brain cancer healed, I have seen drug addicts put the needle down, I have seen marriages where adultery was committed be restored. I have seen God in my own life, I have lived in a rental home for 1 year and paid no rent. I have felt His presence and have laid hands on people and they came out of wheel chairs. Sold their wheel chair and started a business. I have seen my brother speak to a tornado and it dissipated. I have seen the doctors jaw hit the floor. Yes I have seen God and I am a witness I cannot deny what I have felt and seen. Find a Pentecostal church that preaches the cross and you will see it as well, okay some baptist. The fact is there is a God and His son's name is Jesus and if you call on that name you will be saved and if you do not grab your Hershey bar and marshmallows and graham crackers cause it's going to burn. That is the simple fact, why keep searching for evidence that don't exist? Go to church and find out for yourself and not what some dude say's.
 
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I find it interesting that atheists spend the time trying to convince those around them that a God they don't believe in doesn't exist....Why do atheists feel so threatened and have to spend the time to do the above bolded if in their mind God does not exist?

If I believed something doesn't exist I will not waste my time on it.....!
Because they are teetering and searching. They know that the stuff they are doing don't work nor make since and they are fighting tooth and nail to bow to a God when they are their own God.
 
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Actually, I don't visit creationist web sites often. I have been disappointed a few times, particularly when I went searching for specific information.
There was a Christian on another forum I used to chat with a lot and his complaint about creationist sites is that they rarely document their sources.

I have seen live presentations by speakers and authors in the areas of Intelligent Design, Christian Apologetics and, yes, Creation Science. Some were well-known and others were less well-known. I have sampled presentations from others via audio recordings or video recordings or books. Preachers and other sermon-makers will touch some of these topics occasionally.
I listen to Quirks and Quarks, a CBC Radio One science show that comes on Saturdays at noon. The host of the show once said he went to a talk by a well known creationist personality (I don't quiet remember, but it might have been Duane Gish) and followed it up by attending a second talk. Gish made a significant error in discussing evolution and during the Q & A part of the show the host of my show corrected him. Gish accept the correction but the next night stated the same error again in his next anti-evolutionary talk. In other words, these people keep repeating the same errors even when corrected. Gish (if it was him) is not the only creationist to have behaved this way. There was a discussion about this problem on the science show.

nl said:
I may soon start a course series on Cosmology (astronomy topics) given by a faculty person from a US public university and published by a well-known course publisher. Would you like to join me?
It is on-line I presume? I must tell you that astronomy was a major interest of mine for a good couple of decades. For years I subscribed to the publications Sky & Telescope, Astronomy and Scientific American (I still maintain an on-line subscription to the latter). I have numerous astronomy books and I took an astronomy course at university taught by a professor whose specialty was the Sun (I passed the course, but I must confess, I had trouble with the math).
 
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dcontroveral said:
I find it interesting that atheists spend the time trying to convince those around them that a God they don't believe in doesn't exist....Why do atheists feel so threatened and have to spend the time to do the above bolded if in their mind God does not exist?

If I believed something doesn't exist I will not waste my time on it.....!
Because they are teetering and searching. They know that the stuff they are doing don't work nor make since and they are fighting tooth and nail to bow to a God when they are their own God.
The reason many of us take the time is that we care enough about science that we want to correct the many erroneous beliefs creationists have.
 
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But Cycel when you have experienced Christ and He has changed your life, The word becomes real and it feeds your soul. Jesus said I have come to give life and life more abundantly and He meant what He said.

I love Cycel, how many of you love Cycel, Give a shout out if you love Cycel, come CC'ers give a love shout for Cycel.
 
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The reason many of us take the time is that we care enough about science that we want to correct the many erroneous beliefs creationists have.
Well, first of all I didn't say anything about creation in my post, but rather made a statement about the existence of God.

Second.....an honest evaluation of scripture will reveal very intriguing statements that you would think would make someone like you want to investigate it further.

Such as the following thoughts.....

A buddy of mine had cancer, the knocked him out (put him in a deep sleep), opened him up, took a chink of his rib to check the genetic material and make up of the cancer, closed up his side with stitches and woke him up after the surgery.

Now you might say...so what...what is so special about that.......WELL, a book written some 1450 B.C. states this....

God put ADAM in a deep sleep, cut open his side, took out a rib, closed the flesh up and MADE A WOMAN from the rib of a man....

The word MADE is different than the word CREATE......Sounds like GOD took DNA from ADAM and made EVE.....that is about as scientific as you can get......It does not alleviate the creative POWER and or ABILITY of GOD and you would think that you would be interested in knowing how this could be.....!
 
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But Cycel when you have experienced Christ and He has changed your life, The word becomes real and it feeds your soul. Jesus said I have come to give life and life more abundantly and He meant what He said.

I love Cycel, how many of you love Cycel, Give a shout out if you love Cycel, come CC'ers give a love shout for Cycel.
I might give him a high five or something......!