Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?
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Similar but not the same? God alone is immortal. Scripture plainly states that. Him existing forever has a completely different meaning than anything else that is said to last forever because by definition, nothing in creation is eternal since it ALL had a beginning, whereas God is eternally Self-existent. Even when we are said to live forever, it is forever after, not eternal. We had a beginning. Everything in creation had a beginning. Also, I gave a plethora of Scriptures PROVING that forever does not mean what many insist it does. People ignore them, though, being too attached to what they already believe 
Revelation 1:18
Revelation 1:18
6 Bible results for “immortal” from
King James Version.
Results 1-6.
- Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 1 Corinthians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 1 Corinthians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 1 Timothy 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 2 Timothy 1:10
But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
immortal God
The priest said he was endangering his immortal soul.
to dislike someone or something very much:
Kelly hates her teacher.
She hated the cold, dark days of winter.
I hate it when you do that.
[ + -ing verb ] I have always hated speaking in public.
I hate him telling me what do to all the time.
[ + to infinitive ] I hate (= do not want) to interrupt, but it's time we left.
I'd hate (= would not like) you to think I didn't appreciate what you'd done.
Thesaurus: synonyms, antonyms, and examples
to hate someone or something
hateI hate camping.
detestI detest any kind of cruelty.
loathe"Do you like cabbage?" "No, I loathe it."
despiseShe despised him for the way he treated her.
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hate
a strong feeling that makes you want to hurt someone or be unpleasant because of something unfair or unkind that has happened:
I think he feels a lot of anger toward his father, who treated him very badly as a child.
There is a danger that anger at the new law may turn into anti-government feeling.
The people showed no surprise or anger at their treatment.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/anger
Kelly hates her teacher.
She hated the cold, dark days of winter.
I hate it when you do that.
[ + -ing verb ] I have always hated speaking in public.
I hate him telling me what do to all the time.
[ + to infinitive ] I hate (= do not want) to interrupt, but it's time we left.
I'd hate (= would not like) you to think I didn't appreciate what you'd done.
Thesaurus: synonyms, antonyms, and examples
to hate someone or something
hateI hate camping.
detestI detest any kind of cruelty.
loathe"Do you like cabbage?" "No, I loathe it."
despiseShe despised him for the way he treated her.
See more results »
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hate
a strong feeling that makes you want to hurt someone or be unpleasant because of something unfair or unkind that has happened:
I think he feels a lot of anger toward his father, who treated him very badly as a child.
There is a danger that anger at the new law may turn into anti-government feeling.
The people showed no surprise or anger at their treatment.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/anger
Hebrews 2
Easy-to-Read Version
Our Salvation Is Greater Than the Law
2 So we must be more careful to follow what we were taught. We must be careful so that we will not be pulled away from the true way. 2 The teaching that God spoke through angels was shown to be true. And every time his people did something against that teaching, they were punished for what they did. They were punished when they did not obey that teaching. 3 So surely we also will be punished if we don’t pay attention to the salvation we have that is so great. It was the Lord Jesus who first told people about it. And those who heard him proved to us that it is true. 4 God also proved it by using miraculous signs, wonders, and all kinds of miracles. And he proved it by giving people various gifts through the Holy Spirit in just the way he wanted.
Christ Became Like People to Save Them
5 God did not choose angels to be the rulers over the new world that was coming. That future world is the world we have been talking about. 6 It is written some place in the Scriptures,
“Why are people so important to you?
Why do you even think about them?
Why do you care about the son of man[a]?
Is he so important?
7 For a short time you made him lower than the angels.
You crowned him with glory and honor.
8 You put everything under his control.”
If God put everything under his control, then there was nothing left that he did not rule. But we don’t yet see him ruling over everything. 9 For a short time Jesus was made lower than the angels, but now we see him wearing a crown of glory and honor because he suffered and died. Because of God’s grace, Jesus died for everyone.
10 God—the one who made all things and for whose glory all things exist—wanted many people to be his children and share his glory. So he did what he needed to do. He made perfect the one who leads those people to salvation. He made Jesus a perfect Savior through his suffering.
11 Jesus, the one who makes people holy, and those who are made holy are from the same family. So he is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters. 12 He says,
“God, I will tell my brothers and sisters about you.
Before all your people I will sing your praises.”
13 He also says,
“I will trust in God.”
And he says,
“I am here, and with me are the children God has given me.”
14 These children are people with physical bodies. So Jesus himself became like them and had the same experiences they have. Jesus did this so that, by dying, he could destroy the one who has the power of death—the devil. 15 Jesus became like these people and died so that he could free them. They were like slaves all their lives because of their fear of death. 16 Clearly, it is not angels that Jesus helps. He helps the people who are from Abraham. 17 For this reason, Jesus had to be made like us, his brothers and sisters, in every way. He became like people so that he could be their merciful and faithful high priest in service to God. Then he could bring forgiveness for the people’s sins. 18 And now he can help those who are tempted. He is able to help because he himself suffered and was tempted.
Easy-to-Read Version
Our Salvation Is Greater Than the Law
2 So we must be more careful to follow what we were taught. We must be careful so that we will not be pulled away from the true way. 2 The teaching that God spoke through angels was shown to be true. And every time his people did something against that teaching, they were punished for what they did. They were punished when they did not obey that teaching. 3 So surely we also will be punished if we don’t pay attention to the salvation we have that is so great. It was the Lord Jesus who first told people about it. And those who heard him proved to us that it is true. 4 God also proved it by using miraculous signs, wonders, and all kinds of miracles. And he proved it by giving people various gifts through the Holy Spirit in just the way he wanted.
Christ Became Like People to Save Them
5 God did not choose angels to be the rulers over the new world that was coming. That future world is the world we have been talking about. 6 It is written some place in the Scriptures,
“Why are people so important to you?
Why do you even think about them?
Why do you care about the son of man[a]?
Is he so important?
7 For a short time you made him lower than the angels.
You crowned him with glory and honor.
8 You put everything under his control.”
If God put everything under his control, then there was nothing left that he did not rule. But we don’t yet see him ruling over everything. 9 For a short time Jesus was made lower than the angels, but now we see him wearing a crown of glory and honor because he suffered and died. Because of God’s grace, Jesus died for everyone.
10 God—the one who made all things and for whose glory all things exist—wanted many people to be his children and share his glory. So he did what he needed to do. He made perfect the one who leads those people to salvation. He made Jesus a perfect Savior through his suffering.
11 Jesus, the one who makes people holy, and those who are made holy are from the same family. So he is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters. 12 He says,
“God, I will tell my brothers and sisters about you.
Before all your people I will sing your praises.”
13 He also says,
“I will trust in God.”
And he says,
“I am here, and with me are the children God has given me.”
14 These children are people with physical bodies. So Jesus himself became like them and had the same experiences they have. Jesus did this so that, by dying, he could destroy the one who has the power of death—the devil. 15 Jesus became like these people and died so that he could free them. They were like slaves all their lives because of their fear of death. 16 Clearly, it is not angels that Jesus helps. He helps the people who are from Abraham. 17 For this reason, Jesus had to be made like us, his brothers and sisters, in every way. He became like people so that he could be their merciful and faithful high priest in service to God. Then he could bring forgiveness for the people’s sins. 18 And now he can help those who are tempted. He is able to help because he himself suffered and was tempted.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
We pray that God himself, the God of peace, will make you pure—belonging only to him. We pray that your whole self—spirit, soul, and body—will be kept safe and be blameless when our Lord Jesus Christ comes.
What we have here is known as progressive revelations. In Genesis, it says became a living soul. In the NT it is reveal that there are in fact three parts to human. spirit and soul are very close in relationship. In Hebrews it says dividing spirit and soul or something like that.
We pray that God himself, the God of peace, will make you pure—belonging only to him. We pray that your whole self—spirit, soul, and body—will be kept safe and be blameless when our Lord Jesus Christ comes.
What we have here is known as progressive revelations. In Genesis, it says became a living soul. In the NT it is reveal that there are in fact three parts to human. spirit and soul are very close in relationship. In Hebrews it says dividing spirit and soul or something like that.
I think you are just repeating some verses that have been answered already. Your interpretation was off the mark last time and it is off this time too.
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Verse 9
Who (οιτινες). Qualitative use, such as. Vanishing in papyri though surviving in Paul (1 Corinthians 3:17 (NAS)
17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">1 Corinthians 3:17; Romans 1:25 (NAS)
25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
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26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Galatians 4:26; Philippians 4:3 (NAS)
3 Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Philippians 4:3).
Shall suffer punishment (δικην τισουσιν). Future active of old verb τινω, to pay penalty (δικην, right, justice), here only in N.T., but αποτινω once also to repay Philemon 1:19 (NAS)
19 I, Paul, am writing this with my own hand, I will repay it (not to mention to you that you owe to me even your own self as well).
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Philemon 1:19. In the papyri δικη is used for a case or process in law. This is the regular phrase in classic writers for paying the penalty.
Eternal destruction (ολεθρον αιωνιον). Accusative case in apposition with δικην (penalty). This phrase does not appear elsewhere in the N.T., but is in IV Macc. 10:15 τον αιωνιον του τυραννου ολεθρον the eternal destruction of the tyrant (Antiochus Epiphanes). Destruction (cf. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (NAS)
3 While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">1 Thessalonians 5:3) does not mean here annihilation, but, as Paul proceeds to show, separation
from the face of the Lord (απο προσωπου του κυριου) and from the
glory of his might (κα απο της δοξης της ισχυος αυτου), an eternity of woe such as befell Antiochus Epiphanes. Αιωνιος in itself only means age-long and papyri and inscriptions give it in the weakened sense of a Caesar's life (Milligan), but Paul means by age-long
the coming age in contrast with
this age , as
eternal as the New Testament knows how to make it. See on Matthew 25:46 (NAS)
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Matthew 25:46 for use of αιωνιος both with ζωην, life, and κολασιν, punishment.
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Verse 9
Who (οιτινες). Qualitative use, such as. Vanishing in papyri though surviving in Paul (1 Corinthians 3:17 (NAS)
17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">1 Corinthians 3:17; Romans 1:25 (NAS)
25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Romans 1:25; Galatians 4:26 (NAS)
26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Galatians 4:26; Philippians 4:3 (NAS)
3 Indeed, true companion, I ask you also to help these women who have shared my struggle in the cause of the gospel, together with Clement also and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Philippians 4:3).
Shall suffer punishment (δικην τισουσιν). Future active of old verb τινω, to pay penalty (δικην, right, justice), here only in N.T., but αποτινω once also to repay Philemon 1:19 (NAS)
19 I, Paul, am writing this with my own hand, I will repay it (not to mention to you that you owe to me even your own self as well).
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Philemon 1:19. In the papyri δικη is used for a case or process in law. This is the regular phrase in classic writers for paying the penalty.
Eternal destruction (ολεθρον αιωνιον). Accusative case in apposition with δικην (penalty). This phrase does not appear elsewhere in the N.T., but is in IV Macc. 10:15 τον αιωνιον του τυραννου ολεθρον the eternal destruction of the tyrant (Antiochus Epiphanes). Destruction (cf. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (NAS)
3 While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">1 Thessalonians 5:3) does not mean here annihilation, but, as Paul proceeds to show, separation
from the face of the Lord (απο προσωπου του κυριου) and from the
glory of his might (κα απο της δοξης της ισχυος αυτου), an eternity of woe such as befell Antiochus Epiphanes. Αιωνιος in itself only means age-long and papyri and inscriptions give it in the weakened sense of a Caesar's life (Milligan), but Paul means by age-long
the coming age in contrast with
this age , as
eternal as the New Testament knows how to make it. See on Matthew 25:46 (NAS)
46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
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" tooltipenable="true" style="box-sizing: border-box; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(200, 83, 53); font-weight: 700; cursor: pointer;">Matthew 25:46 for use of αιωνιος both with ζωην, life, and κολασιν, punishment.
https://www.gotquestions.org/conditional-immortality.html
History 1800's
Edward White (1819–1898)
An English Congregational minister, White was a leading proponent of “conditional immortality,” an attempt to find a middle road between eternal punishment and universalism, both of which assumed the natural immortality of the human soul. Conditionalists argued that the soul is mortal and that immortality is a gift from Christ to the redeemed. Therefore, the wicked will eventually be annihilated.
https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/nineteenth-century-hell-guide
History 1800's
Edward White (1819–1898)
An English Congregational minister, White was a leading proponent of “conditional immortality,” an attempt to find a middle road between eternal punishment and universalism, both of which assumed the natural immortality of the human soul. Conditionalists argued that the soul is mortal and that immortality is a gift from Christ to the redeemed. Therefore, the wicked will eventually be annihilated.
https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/nineteenth-century-hell-guide
Isaiah 14:4-11
Easy-to-Read Version
A Song About the King of Babylon
4 At that time you will begin to sing this song about the king of Babylon:
The king was cruel when he ruled us,
but now his rule is finished.
5 The Lord breaks the scepter of evil rulers;
he takes away their power.
6 In anger, the king of Babylon beat the people.
He never stopped beating them.
He was an evil ruler who ruled in anger.
He never stopped hurting people.
7 But now, the whole country rests and is quiet.
Now the people begin to celebrate.
8 You were an evil king,
and now you are finished.
Even the pine trees are happy.
The cedar trees of Lebanon rejoice.
They say, “The king chopped us down,
but now the king has fallen,
and he will never stand again.”
9 The place of death is excited
that you are coming.
Sheol is waking the spirits
of all the leaders of the earth for you.
Sheol is making the kings stand up
from their thrones to meet you.
10 They will make fun of you, saying,
“Now you are as dead as we are.
Now you are just like us.”
11 Your pride has been sent down to Sheol.
The music from your harps announces the coming of your proud spirit.
Maggots will be the bed you lie on,
and other worms will cover your body like a blanket.
Easy-to-Read Version
A Song About the King of Babylon
4 At that time you will begin to sing this song about the king of Babylon:
The king was cruel when he ruled us,
but now his rule is finished.
5 The Lord breaks the scepter of evil rulers;
he takes away their power.
6 In anger, the king of Babylon beat the people.
He never stopped beating them.
He was an evil ruler who ruled in anger.
He never stopped hurting people.
7 But now, the whole country rests and is quiet.
Now the people begin to celebrate.
8 You were an evil king,
and now you are finished.
Even the pine trees are happy.
The cedar trees of Lebanon rejoice.
They say, “The king chopped us down,
but now the king has fallen,
and he will never stand again.”
9 The place of death is excited
that you are coming.
Sheol is waking the spirits
of all the leaders of the earth for you.
Sheol is making the kings stand up
from their thrones to meet you.
10 They will make fun of you, saying,
“Now you are as dead as we are.
Now you are just like us.”
11 Your pride has been sent down to Sheol.
The music from your harps announces the coming of your proud spirit.
Maggots will be the bed you lie on,
and other worms will cover your body like a blanket.
