A woman starting a woman bashing thread! Who would have thought!??
The problem is, so many people messing up what happened before the Garden of Eden, and what happened after.
First, Eve was deceived. In other words, she heard second hand not to eat of the tree of Knowledge. (Gen 2:17) Only Adam heard it first hand, because Eve had not yet been created!
"The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, [SUP]17 [/SUP]but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evilyou shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” Genesis 2:15-18.
Then in verse 2:22
"And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he madeinto a woman and brought her to the man."
As for man, he deliberately disobeyed a command of God. He can blame the woman, or his superiors (like the Nazi underlings did!) or he could have stood firm. He was responsible for his own choice, and Paul supports that.
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all menbecause all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP]for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come." Romans 5:12-14
"For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ." Romans 5:17
Disobedience is the key sin here, as it always is. Adam directly disobeyed a command of God. He didn't even have the wily devil tempting him, just a woman.
We won't get into the ezer woman, or warrior-woman that God created for the man. I'll leave that for another thread.
And as for women being the problem today, I think Paul also covered that in Galatians. Interesting that is the letter to the people who were Judiazers! Because the Jews esteemed woman and themselves above anyone else. Paul really did not like those who tried to keep people under the law.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28
Christ has come to set us free. Free from sin, free from roles, free from the law. How grateful the love and the mercy of God has been made manifest in the Son, Jesus Christ who died for us, so that we might be free from Adam's sin!
And if you want some good women, try the New Testament.
"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconness of the church at Cenchreae," Romans 16:1
"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me." Romans 16:7
"He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately." Acts 18:26.
Or look at Acts 16, to see the women who believed first in Philippi, or the women who were first at the tomb, the women whom Jesus appeared to first, before the men, who did not believe!
Such generalizing is just horrible. But what else would I expect from CC??
The problem is, so many people messing up what happened before the Garden of Eden, and what happened after.
First, Eve was deceived. In other words, she heard second hand not to eat of the tree of Knowledge. (Gen 2:17) Only Adam heard it first hand, because Eve had not yet been created!
"The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, [SUP]17 [/SUP]but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evilyou shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” Genesis 2:15-18.
Then in verse 2:22
"And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he madeinto a woman and brought her to the man."
As for man, he deliberately disobeyed a command of God. He can blame the woman, or his superiors (like the Nazi underlings did!) or he could have stood firm. He was responsible for his own choice, and Paul supports that.
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all menbecause all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP]for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come." Romans 5:12-14
"For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ." Romans 5:17
Disobedience is the key sin here, as it always is. Adam directly disobeyed a command of God. He didn't even have the wily devil tempting him, just a woman.
We won't get into the ezer woman, or warrior-woman that God created for the man. I'll leave that for another thread.
And as for women being the problem today, I think Paul also covered that in Galatians. Interesting that is the letter to the people who were Judiazers! Because the Jews esteemed woman and themselves above anyone else. Paul really did not like those who tried to keep people under the law.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28
Christ has come to set us free. Free from sin, free from roles, free from the law. How grateful the love and the mercy of God has been made manifest in the Son, Jesus Christ who died for us, so that we might be free from Adam's sin!
And if you want some good women, try the New Testament.
"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconness of the church at Cenchreae," Romans 16:1
"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me." Romans 16:7
"He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately." Acts 18:26.
Or look at Acts 16, to see the women who believed first in Philippi, or the women who were first at the tomb, the women whom Jesus appeared to first, before the men, who did not believe!
Such generalizing is just horrible. But what else would I expect from CC??
