Why do we try if we only fail everyday

[NoRedemptionBeyondRepair]

Someone showed me a scripture in the bibles and it is Romans 3:23
And it says for all have sinned and continue to fall short of gods glory.
That makes me feel like I fail everyday and all my efforts for him don't count cause I'll never stop sinning. I heard someone say every Christian will continue to sin willingly and unintentionally but he will always forgive. Why would he keep forgiving if we just turn around and do it again? What's the point?
Say if someone keeps stealing belongings from your house and you have given this person many chances before.. your not gonna keep letting that person into the house right? I don't understand how god would keep giving chances or forgiving. It just doesn't seem logical to me. It seems far fetched and made up in a way to make people feel better about effing up. Why would he just keep forgiving us?
Why do people say all sin is the same too?

How can murderers be in the same cagatory for sin as someone who lies about something? They are both sin right? But one is way worse then the other clearly, but god forgives the same?
[1 john 3:15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, **and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him**.]

What does that last part that I have ** mean? Is it saying no murderers can have eternal life? And if so why is sin considered all the same then?

I am sorry if these are stupid questions.

 

[Magenta]

They are not "stupid questions." The verse from Romans you quoted has to do with us being saved by Grace; Christianity is not a works based salvation, for we cannot save ourselves by being good. All break the law in some way. Jesus' crucifixion paid the sin debt of the world, and those who believe in Him will be resurrected to new life. God does forgive all sin but that of unbelief, however, you are correct in your assessment of all sin not being viewed the same, for Jesus told Pontius Pilate, "You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin."

 

[zoii]

yea good questions

 

[atwhatcost]

Picture yourself as a mom. You're baby tries to take her first step but falls. Would you put her somewhere safe so she doesn't fall again? Would you be angry because she couldn't even take one lousy step? Would you spank her for failing?

Likewise, why would God be angry with his kids when we fail?

I'm assuming you'd probably get all kinds of excited that she tried. You'd probably pick her up, so she can try again. It's probably the same day she does, successfully, take that first step. More excitement! And then she goes for the second step and falls. Time to give up? (Repeat all original questions.)

I'm old enough that I had been married a few years when my youngest brother was born. I didn't see his first step, but we were there 2-3 weeks later. He did something that still amazes me! (He's 30 now, so that's a long time to be amazed.) He was doing something between a waddle and a run out back. Obviously new to this whole walking thing, but he was so excited that's all he wanted to do. And then he lost his balance. He didn't fall. His body was in the perfect shape of a T. One foot still on the ground, his head and body in a 90 degree angle from that foot on the ground and his other foot stuck out back so he was perfectly horizontal from the ground. And somehow, from that angle he regained his balance and righted himself without ever falling. A big cheer went up. (I mean, I couldn't ever do that move, so seriously impressed. lol) He got all kinds of excited because he thought we were cheering him on just for walking. So he kept going round and round and round showing off his walking abilities to impress his family.

Something like what happens to believers with God. Yup! We stumble. I've been known to have huge hissy fits, plop my bottom to the ground and have a royal temper tantrum. And yet Dad (God) is disciplining me to not act like that, all the while encouraging me to get back up and walk. Long ago, I took my first step. Somewhere around the third step I failed big time! I quit on him. (Christian word is "backslide," but it's quitting on God.) He also disciplined me until I got over my hissy fit. I toddled when I came back. Then I walked. Then I walked further. Not to say I never stumbled again, but he got me to do better. And he cheered. Every time I do his will I know he is as happy at my progress as a dad can be -- even more so, since he's God.

He's Dad. I like making Dad happy, so I keep walking more and more like he wants me to walk.

That's closer to how it is being a Christian. We know we fail. We also know he's making us very good walkers. We like making Dad happy.

 

[RickyZ]

Whether one sin is greater than another is moot, since the penalty for all of them is the same. Sin separates us from God, whether it be murder or white lies. Yeah I'd say murder was the worse evil, but again, they both come with the same 'death sentence' so what's the point? But, as one sin expels you from His presence, one confession as a sinner gets you back in. Salvation and redemption is a once per lifetime thing, covering the sins of that lifetime.

In the here and now, when you submit yourself to a spiritual authority in sin, you're submitted to that spiritual authority. And there are levels of spiritual authority and oppression. Here and now the murderer invites upon himself a whole lot more grief than the white liar. And a lot more judgment. Confession and repentance of those individual sins are the way to break that submission.

So while in the eternal you confess to a sinful life and receive eternal life, in the here and now you confess to individual sins and receive cleansing. Or suffer the oppressions and judgment of those sins.

Does that help answer your stupid question ?

(You know I'm just joking on that... the only stupid question is the one you don't ask.)

 

[Practice-English]

I know, the reply or the answer won't fit or get along with the questions,
but I've something to say about all of this :

Life is complicated!
Even if we work hard and deeper
to understand things in life,
it's more than a big puzzle.
I don't really know how to explain it
in English in fact.

When you decide to follow Christ,
you are inspired by the Holy Spirit,
& when you're inspired by the Holy Spirit,
I'm not totally able to explain the rest of what I wanted to tell you because I speak French than English but next to this posting, I'll find you some verses to read about. =)

 

[Practice-English]

I'm back with some verses ,
to share with you,
I think that these verses
get well with the context



​

 

[wattie]

Its true when someone has believed in Jesus they have eternal life. Now the person can never be perfect, so how can they measure up? They cant! And that is the whole point.

Jesus takes the penalty. He keeps us. He promises to never leave.

That... then is what spurs us on. The reponse to great love

What we are talking about here is the initial union with Jesus and then the other part which is continual closeness with Jesus.

The union is eternal and unchanging, kept by Jesus. Requires nothing but i nitial belief from someone. Romans 10

Ongoing fellowship is conditional on our reliance on Jesus. Intimacy.

This is where the 'if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive them...' comes in.

The above quote from 1 John is addressed to already converted people.

So we do fail, but God has made a way to have eternal life, and if we pursue Him, abundant life!

 

[FreeNChrist]

Someone showed me a scripture in the bibles and it is Romans 3:23
And it says for all have sinned and continue to fall short of gods glory.
That makes me feel like I fail everyday and all my efforts for him don't count cause I'll never stop sinning. I heard someone say every Christian will continue to sin willingly and unintentionally but he will always forgive. Why would he keep forgiving if we just turn around and do it again? What's the point?

You nailed it. If our best efforts will always fall short, then why are we trying through self effort to achieve what we know we cannot? It's a great question. The Apostle Paul asked the same question of the Galatians who were trying the same thing...

“How foolish can you be? After starting your new lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?” Gal 3:3​

Indeed, why?

Say if someone keeps stealing belongings from your house and you have given this person many chances before.. your not gonna keep letting that person into the house right? I don't understand how god would keep giving chances or forgiving. It just doesn't seem logical to me. It seems far fetched and made up in a way to make people feel better about effing up. Why would he just keep forgiving us?

He keeps forgiving you because He is not a man, but your Creator, and He loves you. He loved you enough to send His Only Son to die on a Cross for you, so that through His shed blood you could have forgiveness. He forgives you not because of what you do or don't do, but because of what Jesus has done.

Why do people say all sin is the same too?

How can murderers be in the same cagatory for sin as someone who lies about something? They are both sin right? But one is way worse then the other clearly, but god forgives the same?
[1 john 3:15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, **and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him**.]

What does that last part that I have ** mean? Is it saying no murderers can have eternal life? And if so why is sin considered all the same then?

Those sins are worse only from our POV, not from Gods. All sin is a violation of His holy character. When we compare our sins against another's sins we see our sins as better or worse. But others are not the standard, God is. And compared to Him there are no "better" sins.

"Murderer" is an identity. A murderer is not a murderer because he murders, he murders because he is a murderer. It is his nature to murder. Just as love for the brethren is evidence of those who have eternal life, and of the new nature we have in Christ. Hatred for the brethren is evidence of the nature of the lost, of those who do not have eternal life.

 

[crossnote]

Someone showed me a scripture in the bibles and it is Romans 3:23
And it says for all have sinned and continue to fall short of gods glory.
That makes me feel like I fail everyday and all my efforts for him don't count cause I'll never stop sinning. I heard someone say every Christian will continue to sin willingly and unintentionally but he will always forgive. Why would he keep forgiving if we just turn around and do it again? What's the point?
Say if someone keeps stealing belongings from your house and you have given this person many chances before.. your not gonna keep letting that person into the house right? I don't understand how god would keep giving chances or forgiving. It just doesn't seem logical to me. It seems far fetched and made up in a way to make people feel better about effing up. Why would he just keep forgiving us?
Why do people say all sin is the same too?

How can murderers be in the same cagatory for sin as someone who lies about something? They are both sin right? But one is way worse then the other clearly, but god forgives the same?
[1 john 3:15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, **and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him**.]

What does that last part that I have ** mean? Is it saying no murderers can have eternal life? And if so why is sin considered all the same then?

I am sorry if these are stupid questions.

A Christian who is born again is eternally His child, warts and all.
We sin out of weakness of the flesh not out of scheming and conniving...God knows our hearts and has given us a new heart.He is able to continue to chastise (read spank) His children who walk obstinately but His correction is in love for our good.
On the other hand we don't know another person's heart and must take practical steps when dealing with them. (Like eventually calling the police on someone ...God can use their arrest to bring them to repentance ).
We sin and will continue to sin (our new nature won't want to )our salvation is never dependent on OUR righteousness but on HIS perfect righteousness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You nailed it. If our best efforts will always fall short, then why are we trying through self effort to achieve what we know we cannot? It's a great question. The Apostle Paul asked the same question of the Galatians who were trying the same thing...

“How foolish can you be? After starting your new lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?” Gal 3:3​

Indeed, why?



He keeps forgiving you because He is not a man, but your Creator, and He loves you. He loved you enough to send His Only Son to die on a Cross for you, so that through His shed blood you could have forgiveness. He forgives you not because of what you do or don't do, but because of what Jesus has done.



Those sins are worse only from our POV, not from Gods. All sin is a violation of His holy character. When we compare our sins against another's sins we see our sins as better or worse. But others are not the standard, God is. And compared to Him there are no "better" sins.

"Murderer" is an identity. A murderer is not a murderer because he murders, he murders because he is a murderer. It is his nature to murder. Just as love for the brethren is evidence of those who have eternal life, and of the new nature we have in Christ. Hatred for the brethren is evidence of the nature of the lost, of those who do not have eternal life.

Amen, I think people forget. Adam took a bite out of a piece of fruit, and that one act caused the fall of all mankind, the earth to start to die, and all the evil that the would has seen since that day.

And we want to Focus on murder and sexual sin, and ignore the lesser sin..

our one thought of not loving someone God wants us to love is just as offensive to the perfect nature and character of God as that one act of murder or sexual sin. In God's eyes, there is no difference.

Not to society, there can be a huge difference, so God places temporal levels of sin, and says these need taken care of more severely than the lesser sins. But not for his benefit, but for our won.

 

[MaggieMye]

Someone showed me a scripture in the bibles and it is Romans 3:23
And it says for all have sinned and continue to fall short of gods glory.
That makes me feel like I fail The word 'falure' is not found in God's written Word! In His eyes we do not fail, but simply need redirection. everyday and all my efforts for him don't count cause I'll never stop sinning. I heard someone say every Christian will continue to sin willingly and unintentionally but he will always forgive.A True Christian CHOOSES NOT to sin. That does not mean that we do not sin unintentionally. It means that when we recognize something as sin, we CHOOSE to avoid it, to not partake. And if we have, then we repent. 1 John 3:9 "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Why would he keep forgiving if we just turn around and do it again? What's the point If one KEEPS CHOOSING to sin, then that person's repentance is null and void. God knows the heart.
Say if someone keeps stealing belongings from your house and you have given this person many chances before.. your not gonna keep letting that person into the house right? I don't understand how god would keep giving chances or forgiving. It just doesn't seem logical to me. It seems far fetched and made up in a way to make people feel better about effing up. Why would he just keep forgiving us? Again, God knows the heart! He knows if a person is truly sincere or if they are just saying words so that they don't have to deal with the issues of their heart.
Why do people say all sin is the same too?

How can murderers be in the same cagatory for sin as someone who lies about something? Because sin is sin. The consequences for a lie or for a murder are the same: Separation from God and eternal damnation. They are both sin right? But one is way worse then the other clearly, but god forgives the same? No, one is not worse than the other according to God. Only man makes a differentiation. Even Lies CAN KILL!!
[1 john 3:15Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, **and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him**.]

What does that last part that I have ** mean? Is it saying no murderers can have eternal life? And if so why is sin considered all the same then? Unrepented murder, unforgiven sin is sin on the soul of the person that committed it. He is UNCLEAN and cannot be admitted to heaven. However, if the person commits to God and is truly repentant, Christ's blood atones for that sin and the person is rendered CLEAN. There can be no sin, no grief, no spiritual uncleanness in Heaven where God reigns from.

I am sorry if these are stupid questions.

There are NEVER any stupid question!!! If you don't ask, how will you come to understand? You are young and learning. ...and you need to change your name because you are NOT beyond repair and you can be redeemed....if you aren't already. The question is: Is Jesus your Lord and Savor and have you commtted your life to knowing and serving Him?
Maggie

 

[MaggieMye]

I like the New name!!

 

[NoRedemptionBeyondRepair]

Thank you all so much! I was really nervous to ask for the fear of sounding stupid. This has helped me understand in so many ways. "ATWHATCOST" your post stuck out the most for me, especially in understanding. that Analogy was absolutely perfect! I really needed to hear that. The entire time I was reading it, it made complete and perfect sense. I never thought about him like that. and it changed my perspective on kinda who I thought his role was. I'm not sure if I can explain this as it is in my mind but since trying this out (Christianity) I have viewed god as this big God. not in the sense of size but of authority? I feel intimidated by him. I feel intimidated in how I pray especially. because I come from a hard background and god to me growing up hearing about him in school/people, was always in my mind this huge demanding/don't fellow me go to hell type god. And there is a lot of insecurities of not being wanted by him. I have a hard time grasping that he loves me, because if he did why give me the life that he has? It never made sense to me how people can talk about god being just and loving and accepting etc etc yet not rescue me when I needed it the most. I've googled different stuff on sin and it has only confused me more and overwhelmed me. There is so much to remember as far as what's "sin" and what's not. And quite frankly this is a lot of it. This thread and all of your post have been wonderful and I appreciate all of you who take the time to help me.

RickyZ- Yes, it helped a lot. Thank you.

 

[NoRedemptionBeyondRepair]

I like the New name!!

What new name?

 

[atwhatcost]

Thank you all so much! I was really nervous to ask for the fear of sounding stupid. This has helped me understand in so many ways. "ATWHATCOST" your post stuck out the most for me, especially in understanding. that Analogy was absolutely perfect! I really needed to hear that. The entire time I was reading it, it made complete and perfect sense. I never thought about him like that. and it changed my perspective on kinda who I thought his role was. I'm not sure if I can explain this as it is in my mind but since trying this out (Christianity) I have viewed god as this big God. not in the sense of size but of authority? I feel intimidated by him. I feel intimidated in how I pray especially. because I come from a hard background and god to me growing up hearing about him in school/people, was always in my mind this huge demanding/don't fellow me go to hell type god. And there is a lot of insecurities of not being wanted by him. I have a hard time grasping that he loves me, because if he did why give me the life that he has? It never made sense to me how people can talk about god being just and loving and accepting etc etc yet not rescue me when I needed it the most. I've googled different stuff on sin and it has only confused me more and overwhelmed me. There is so much to remember as far as what's "sin" and what's not. And quite frankly this is a lot of it. This thread and all of your post have been wonderful and I appreciate all of you who take the time to help me.

RickyZ- Yes, it helped a lot. Thank you.

He is the Big Guy! Big Daddy. I remember being a little kid craning my neck to look in the face of the grown ups. My grandfather was the biggest. He scared me. And then he grabbed me up in his paws, sat me on his lap, pulled out my reader, and pointed each word for me to read. (He had trouble not covering the words with his fingers, he was so big. lol) I was happy to read them. He made a big fuss. He was a general at West Point, so he held that military straightness that's kind of frightening in itself. More frightening when men older that him called him sir. But he was PopPop my buddy to read with.

He taught me how to raise and lower a flag, how to ply croquet, and card games. Four years old and we could all shuffle a deck the fancy way, deal like a pro, and fold our cards properly. We knew when to bet and when to fold.

One Saturday at 6 AM were were i our bedrooms playing Hi Ho Silver on the beds. (Jumping up and down.) He came in and from oldest to youngest he played high ho silver on our back sides. lol He had rules, and the consequences were strict. But he was our playmate too, so no hard feelings.

Something like God too.

Why did he put you through hat he put you through? To love you. And to turn you into a person who can help others in the future. He truly truly loves you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

God in his infinite grace wants us to come to him as our papa.. He wants you to see him as a loving father, who loves you because your his.

 

[Kefa54]

Great Questions. I believe you are being lead by the spirit on these questions.

Acts 17:25 Neither is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives everyone life and breath and all things.

When we try to live a life that pleases Jesus in our own (self,flesh)strength. We will always fail.
Philippians 1:6 [SUP]6 [/SUP]being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Jesus does not want us to live for him. He wants us to let him live through us. Jesus grace is about resting in him and letting him live through us. It changes our walk from- "have to". To- "want to."

God knows we will fall short. Like everyone is saying he will pick us up in grace and brush us off.

As long as we walk in his grace we will learn from every fall. The spirit lives in us and directs us, if we listen.

I'm not saying to stop everything and not try. We can have some spiritual disciplines. Just realize that the strength to have the discipline comes from Jesus himself.

How far does Jesus remove our sin from us?

Kefa

 

[pottersclay]

N.R.B.R. My suggestion for you is to get out of that dark room and go sit in the light.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
The truth is we cannot save ourselves which it seems you've arrived at, no matter how hard we try.
Then enters Jesus who has completed the work of salvation.
Now it seems to me he has started a work in you, got some good news for ya...he is faithful and just to complete that good work in you.
So go sit in the light for awhile...see that the Lord is good...stop trying just remain abiding...let him finish the good work he started.

 

[NoRedemptionBeyondRepair]

N.R.B.R. My suggestion for you is to get out of that dark room and go sit in the light.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
The truth is we cannot save ourselves which it seems you've arrived at, no matter how hard we try.
Then enters Jesus who has completed the work of salvation.
Now it seems to me he has started a work in you, got some good news for ya...he is faithful and just to complete that good work in you.
So go sit in the light for awhile...see that the Lord is good...stop trying just remain abiding...let him finish the good work he started.

"My suggestion for you is to get out of that dark room and go sit in the light."

What do you mean exactly?

"The truth is we cannot save ourselves which it seems you've arrived at"

Sorry you got that impression, but it's quite the opposite of what I'm trying to do.