Why does 1 Timothy 4:10 say that Jesus is the "savior of ALL people"?

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Pilgrimshope

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Thanks in advance.
“and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus died for anyone and everyone’s sins then he said this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. ( he did what he did for all creation )

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15

He is the savior of all creation but some will accept him when they hear about him , others will reject him when they hear the gospel

airs what the persons response is to the salvation he has offered that will determine the outcome

He is the one and only savior that’s the reason no one can be saved if they reject him d if they accept him they will be saved

It doesn’t seem to contradict really it’s just we try to remove our own free Will to choose and that’s not how it is
 

birdie

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The Bible is interesting because it is written in parable fashion (Psalm 78:1-2, Mark 4:34). A Bible word that seems to have an obvious English meaning might have an unexpected Bible meaning instead. For example, we all know that the lamb in the Bible is Jesus, not really an actual young sheep, but a person. We know that in the Bible 'the rock' might refer to Jesus rather than to the rock of Gibraltor or to some piece of quartz. In English, we say that a person is 'blessed' if something good happens to them. They are blessed to get a good grade on their report card, or they are blessed with a nice job. However, as positive as those things are, it really isn't quite the Bible's use of the term. The Bible calls someone blessed only when they are saved, or in some cases, of God himself. That is why the Bible says: " Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered." It has a slightly different meaning than ordinary English would give. It is much like that with the word 'all' in the Bible. Some people have read scriptures which seem to say that all persons will be saved. As wonderful as this sounds, it is hard to reconcile that with other verses that talk about few being saved, or about sheep and goats having different outcomes of salvation. We see the word 'all' in the following verse: "we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe." To my mind, this is a way that the Bible explains who all men are. Those who believe. We get another look at this in Romans: "all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:" The term all is shown to mean "all Israel" here, meaning all who believe. The deliverer mentioned is Jesus who turns away ungodliness from Jacob (Jacob being a picture of all believers). Again, we read:"Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." This sounds like it is saying all persons on planet earth will be saved, which I could hope to be true. But it is more likely that this is saying that ''all men'', meaning all who believe, will be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. In other words, all Spiritual Israel will be saved. All who believe will be saved.
 

PennEd

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If this discussion has proven one thing, it would be the fallacy of "limited atonement".

You marry the Timothy passage with the 1 John 2 passage, and that petal of "TULIP" withers away.

If Jesus's Blood Sacrifice didn't pay for the lost's sin, then how could they have trampled upon it?
HEBREWS 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

This to me, confirms what others have said about this Timothy verse. That the Sacrifice is ineffective because they didn't receive it.
Similar to the Egyptians that COULD have been saved had THEY applied the lambs blood to their doorposts.
 
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When I go fishing, I’m fishing for every fish, but I never catch all of them.

Paul said Jesus is the Savior of all people. He never said Jesus saves all people. That’s two very different meanings.
 

Evmur

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Does Jesus actually save everyone?
What was the world like before Jesus came? Only very rich and powerful people could afford doctors and schooling.

All society has been lifted by Christ's coming and all men are benefitted, you can say saved.

But unless a man is born again of the Spirit he cannot see the Kingdom of God. All men who so ever will.
 

MaryM

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All who accept Him as Saviour and Lord. Offer one to all.
 

MaryM

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What was the world like before Jesus came? Only very rich and powerful people could afford doctors and schooling.

All society has been lifted by Christ's coming and all men are benefitted, you can say saved.

But unless a man is born again of the Spirit he cannot see the Kingdom of God. All men who so ever will.
Before Jesus came there was no hope. He promises eternal life to all who accept Him.
 

MaryM

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Well, if Jesus doesn't save ALL people then he's NOT the savior of ALL people and that makes Paul a heretic.
He saves all who accept Him.
Those who don't are making their own choice, which is their right.
 

Mem

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Without Jesus,' man has no choice between salvation and condemnation, Jesus' sacrifice restored man's ability to choose life, and that life is in Him. Those, who choose to search for and be found, find Jesus and find life.
So He is the Savior of all mankind, he delivers them from death and indeed everyone will be resurrected, and it is now their choice whether it is to life or to condemnation, depending on their acceptance or rejection of Him as their Savior.
 

MaryM

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Without Jesus,' man has no choice between salvation and condemnation, Jesus' sacrifice restored man's ability to choose life, and that life is in Him. Those, who choose to search for and be found, find Jesus and find life.
So He is the Savior of all mankind, he delivers them from death and indeed everyone will be resurrected, and it is now their choice whether it is to life or to condemnation, depending on their acceptance or rejection of Him as their Savior.
Very well expressed, far better than I could say.
 
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we need not complicate the obvious. Jesus died so that all who believe in Him may have eternal life,Jew, Gentile,or whosoever shall
 

oyster67

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Why does 1 Timothy 4:10 say that Jesus is the "savior of ALL people"?



Because salvation can be found in no other.

John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
 
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I’d urge you to think of that scripture not in contradictory attitude but what actually compliments the fact that all who believe are saved. Now (believe)- is not just a mental acknowledgment but a deeper heart knowledge.
ultimately everyone meets Jesus, everyone saved or unsaved is raised. The unsaved do not escape His righteous Judgment. The dead unsaved are raised and Judged. Just something to think about here. Weather you choose to believe Him or not you will meet him . The destination is different though. CS Lewis has a great book called the great divorce you might look into.

“Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭ESV‬‬
 

Lafftur

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Thanks in advance.
Because there is NO OTHER WAY for any of us…. the ONLY WAY out is JESUS CHRIST - for ALL that will believe in Him.

ALL OF US NEED JESUS CHRIST, NO EXCEPTIONS.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus Christ ALONE is the ONLY chance anyone has to be saved.
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.

He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus inviting new disciples ( Christian’s )

“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:25, 27-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus words of life on the gospel are what crates that belief of what he’s saying if we believe in him and learn from him there’s no way we can’t be saved even at times when we fall down and make mistakes and stumble ect

were supposed to always consciously do best for God and grow and do better but Jesus died and suffered for us so when we mess up we can have forgivness through repentance and atonement a biblical principle throughout time
 

Beckie

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When I go fishing, I’m fishing for every fish, but I never catch all of them.

Paul said Jesus is the Savior of all people. He never said Jesus saves all people. That’s two very different meanings.
What would you do with EVERY fish ? :LOL: