Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.

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P'shat is a term used for interpretation of the Biblical text what it basically means is to take the plain meaning of the scripture. This is the base meaning seen in the text.

Remez means to find the deeper meaning in the text itself or some say the higher meaning or spiritual meaning.

There are two others also called: Drash which involves comparing scripture with scripture etc thus looking outside the initial text for understanding

Then Sod which is the secret or hidden meaning within a text.

here is the point, the P'shat is the base meaning and the rule of thumb is that the other three do not change or contradict the P'shat. In other words you can't apply a meaning that changes the base meaning or else you are giving your own interpretation.

So when the Sabbath says:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It means exactly what it says, The 7th day is Holy and we are to remember it and hallow it because God made it holy at creation.

Any insight that is gained form other scriptures can only add not subtract. That means when we find verses attaching salvation to the Sabbath that is a meaning that is addition to the plain meaning it does not replace it. Or else you begin to self intemperate the scripture and change what God has said.

If we find rest in Jesus in the Sabbath that is a deeper truth even hidden for some, but that again is a application that does not change the P'shat or plain meaning of the text.

This is where many go wrong, they take additional insights and use them to change the plain meaning recorded. But the reality is that all are true thus we must not take away one because of another.
 
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Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Just wanted to point out that this verse is speaking directly of creation and says when God rested the seventh day the Lord blessed it and called it the Sabbath day.... I don't understand how it can't be connected to creation when God does the connecting in this very verse.
 

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"if anyone has a psalm, let him sing"



To enter His rest
To enter His rest

Close to His chest
An after His own heart
Shepherds enter at measure 33
One foot on land
And one upon the sea

She holds them close
Careful to enter His rest
Threshing out what she had gleaned
Of my Kinsman Redeemer
She did dream

To enter His rest
To enter His rest

She whispers as an aspen tree
In her windy, windy way
Bringing fruit and flowers to me
Placed in vessels of clay

i hold them close
Grateful to enter His rest
Threshing out what i have gleaned
Of my Kinsman Redeemer
i do sing

To enter His rest
To enter His rest



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Good day everyone i need some answers about the sabbath day is it wrong to keep my sabbath day holy on a sunday and is it wrong for someone to go from a saterday sabbath to a sunday sabbath
 
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Barns, the Sabbath is on a Saturday.

The Bible tells us not to judge each other on what to do on a Sabbath and how to keep the Sabbath. That is God's duty. We must discern between what is Biblical and not Biblical and stick to God's word.
 
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Good day everyone i need some answers about the sabbath day is it wrong to keep my sabbath day holy on a sunday and is it wrong for someone to go from a saterday sabbath to a sunday sabbath
Since you are from South Africa there is only two churches your girlfriend can be a part of:

1) Seventh Day Adventist
2) The Israel vision

If I may ask, which one is it?
 
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She is in the Seventh Day Adventist church
 

gotime

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Good day everyone i need some answers about the sabbath day is it wrong to keep my sabbath day holy on a sunday and is it wrong for someone to go from a saterday sabbath to a sunday sabbath
The bible says the 7th day is the Sabbath.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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I do understand what the sabbath means i just want to know will it be wrong for someone to change from their church and keep the sabbath holy on a sunday rather than the saterday
 
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I do understand what the sabbath means i just want to know will it be wrong for someone to change from their church and keep the sabbath holy on a sunday rather than the saterday
You will get all sort of answers from the different groups. If you use the Bible as your source you will see that God rested on the Sabbath and also instructed us to do so. The Sabbath is Saturday and the church changed it to Sunday for whatever reasons they might have.

People will tell you it was because Jesus was resurrected on the Sunday and as a result the Sabbath is now on a Sunday etc etc etc.

The simple answer is the Bible should be our source and it is clear that we serve a non-changing God. Therefor the Sabbath is Saturday and if you want to keep the Sabbath it should be from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.
 

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Scripture says we are not to judge each other for the days we choose to worship. However, some Seventh Day Adventists seem to get rather pushy about insisting they have chosen the correct day, and claim everyone else is doing not just doing it wrong, but breaking a very important commandment, depsite the fact that Scripture says love is the fulfillment of the law. If she is SDA, she will probably not want to change observing a Saturday Sabbath. It is a big part of how they separate /distinguish themself from the rest of the body. Ellen White is their guru "prophetess." She has been proven wrong on many counts, but that does not stop them from all but idolizing her.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
 
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God is a non-changing God and that the law is perfect. David went so far in as telling the reader of the Bible that he loved the law. Jesus kept the law to perfection and while He did that He showed mercy and grace. The problem was never with the law but with the law keepers. If there is a problem with our relationship with God, we are the problem not God. He is perfect. This is not a difficult concept.

Man corrupted the law not God. Strange how we want to judge people on their actions but we want to be judged on our intensions.
 
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I do understand what the sabbath means i just want to know will it be wrong for someone to change from their church and keep the sabbath holy on a sunday rather than the saterday
Not wrong under the new covenant. But I would say be guided by your conscience, we are all different
To the apostle Paul you are free to keep a specific day as more sacred than another, or treat every day the same under the new covenant
And that from a man who as a Pharisee was zealous for obedience to the letter
 
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Not wrong under the new covenant. But I would say be guided by your conscience, we are all different
To the apostle Paul you are free to keep a specific day as more sacred than another, or treat every day the same under the new covenant
And that from a man who as a Pharisee was zealous for obedience to the letter
Interesting how people want to justify that God didn't change by accepting the change... mind blowing.
 
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Interesting how people want to justify that God didn't change by accepting the change... mind blowing.
I live under the new covenant. The person commisioned by Christ to be the chief exponent of the new covenant to the world states:
One person considers one day more sacred than another, another person considers each day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind rom14:5

More than One person on this website who believes all should observe a specific saturday Sabbath in line with ot commandments acknowledges Paul is stating it is up to the individual if they set aside a specific day as a Sabbath or not.
If the person who wrote half the books of the new testament(covenant) states that I for one am assured he did so under the guidance of the holy spirit
 
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Good day everyone i need some answers about the sabbath day is it wrong to keep my sabbath day holy on a sunday and is it wrong for someone to go from a saterday sabbath to a sunday sabbath
As there have already been a number of long-winded posts regarding the Sabbath, let me give a couple of thoughts....

The Sabbath day is a literal and physical day that is on Saturday. The actual Sabbath is not on any other day of the week.
I do believe that we should worship God every day of the week, including Sunday.
I also believe that through the sacrifice of Jesus we obtain an everlasting rest.
But again, I don't believe the Sabbath should be changed to Sunday.
 

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I do understand what the sabbath means i just want to know will it be wrong for someone to change from their church and keep the sabbath holy on a sunday rather than the saterday
I don't think it's wrong at all to go to a Sunday keeping church. Just as long as it's not under the idea of changing the Sabbath. If people decide to go to a Sunday church, I would encourage them to still honor a 7th day Sabbath and to keep it holy and set apart in some way.
 

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Galatians 3:7-12
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


If you are going back to the law, to work at it, you have departed from the faith of Christianity. You are trying to practice Judaism.

Romans 7:4-6

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


We should serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. If you are looking back to the law to obey it, you are serving in the oldness of the letter.

Are Christians who know Christ obligated to tell people who go back to the law that this isn't the way of Christianity? Or would it just be better to pretend to have fellowship with people who work at the law and call themselves Christian?

Can faith have fellowship with no faith? Can spirit have fellowship with flesh? Can Christianity have fellowship with Judaism?

There has to be a way to love people and to tell them the truth. There also has to be a way to love people and let them grow on their own with God. I may lack the patience needed for that second one. I suppose that is why one plants and another waters but God gives the increase.
 
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Here Is some information from Andrew Wommack on the subject I believe It will bless you.


the Sabbath was not a day instituted by God from creation. The Sabbath was meant to be the eternal state of creation. Adam and Eve sinned on the Sabbath since God had rested from His works and all was at peace. The Sabbath was meant to be the continual state of mankind; at peace with God. When God rested from His works, it was meant to be a permanent rest. He wasn’t going to go back to work the next day and rest again on the following 7 th day.


Once that rest was lost, it was constituted as a 'day' in which fallen man was forced to remember God and the paradise of rest that had been lost through sin.


Under the law, Israel failed to enter that 'rest' because of unbelief (Heb. 4:6). As a result (since the Law could not re-establish the rest of God), there is now announced another day in which to enter God's rest. It is called 'Today.' (Heb. 4:7)


In verse 9 it declares that there remains a rest to the people of God. Obviously, if the Sabbath 'day' was adequate and met the purposes of God, there would be no discussion of another day, 'today,' and the rest that it implies.


That rest is described as ceasing from our works, which refers to works of the Law or works of righteousness (our own) in order to please God. Those works will never attain the rest of God that is promised to His people. Keeping a day of the week can never make one acceptable and worthy of the rest of God. The rest of God was lost in Eden and can only be restored in Jesus. And what is that day of rest called? Today!


Today means that the Sabbath is not a 24 hour period, but rather a state of being. We are speaking here of the New Creation, of being born again, of ceasing from our works to please God and entering into His rest through Jesus Christ.


Paul referred to the 'keeping of days,' in Romans 14. He recognized that some born again Jews were accustomed to keeping a literal Sabbath day and it would be hard for them to change that custom. But there were gentile believers who had no such custom and should not be forced to keep a 'symbol' since the symbol had been fulfilled in Christ.


Paul says, 'one man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.' (Rom. 14:5-6)


So we see that it is a matter of personal conscious as to whether or not we keep a certain day unto the Lord. There is flexibility in the Kingdom to accommodate one's faith and understanding.


When the early church met for its first conference regarding doctrine, the Law of Moses was the topic. The Law of course includes the keeping of the Sabbath day. In Acts 15:5 we find the controversy stated, and in verse 6 we see that the apostles and elders considered the matter. Peter then speaks forth the heart of God on this matter and refers to the Law of Moses as a 'yoke...which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear.' (verse 10)


Finally, James concludes that concerning the gentile believers, that they stay away from idols, from fornication, from eating strangled animals (not properly butchered) and from eating blood (as some cultic religions practiced). It is notable that the gentile believers were not admonished to keep the Sabbath. This would have been God's chance to nail that down for the New Testament church, and He didn't. Why not? Because the Sabbath was never meant to be a day of the week, but rather a spiritual position of peace with God.


We want to include Andrew's commentary on other pertinent passages.


Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:


Note 22 at Col. 2:16: If Colossians 2:14-16 were not true then we should all be Seventh Day Adventists. Only God can "blot out" what He has written (Lev. 11; Dt. 14). God told Israel to make a distinction between clean and unclean food so that He might make a distinction between Jews and Gentiles (Dt. 14:2, 21). Under the New Covenant however, the wall of partition that separated Jews from Gentiles has been broken down so that all may have equal access to God (Eph. 2:14-15, 18). God hears and answers prayers whether or not we've eaten pork or worshiped on a certain day.


Note 24 at Col. 2:16: The "drink" that Paul is referring to here is a little ambiguous. There were drink offerings required in the Old Testament (Ex. 29:40-41; Lev. 23:13, 18, 37; Num. 28:7-15, 24, 31) but these were nearly always referred to as "drink offerings." The only other restrictions on what could be drunk are total abstinence of any drink made from grapes for those with a Nazarite vow (Num. 6) and a total ban on blood (Lev. 17:10-14). Just as the other things listed in this verse, abstinence from certain drinks was symbolic and finds its New Testament fulfillment in Christ. The Old Testament abstinence pictured the separation described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:31.


Note 25 at Col. 2:16: In Leviticus 23, there were seven feasts listed which the Jews had to observe: (1) the feast of the Passover (2) the feast of Unleavened Bread (vv. 6-8) which immediately followed the Passover and became part of the Passover feast; (3) the feast of Firstfruits (vv. 9-14); (4) the feast of Pentecost (vv. 15-21) which was also called the feast of weeks (Dt. 16:9-12); (5) the feast of Trumpets (vv. 23-25; Num. 29:1-6); (6) the day of Atonement (vv. 26-32; Lev. 16:29-34; Num. 29:7-11); and (7) the feast of Tabernacles (vv. 33-43; Num. 29:12-40; Dt. 16:13-15; which was also called the feast of Booths (Lev. 23:39-43).


It was mandatory for all males to come to Jerusalem to observe the feast of Unleavened Bread (which probably included the Passover), the feast of Firstfruits, and the feast of Ingathering, which was also called the feast of Tabernacles or Booths (Ex. 23:14-17). The Jews later came to commemorate the feast of Purim (Est. 9:24-32) which celebrated Esther's victory over Haman and the feast of Dedication which celebrated the re-purification of the temple under the Macabees.


Paul made it clear that the observance of holy days was an individual decision not to be imposed on others or forbidden to others.


Note 27 at Col. 2:16: Each of the five things listed in this verse was a shadow of Christ. The dietary laws, feast days, new moon offerings and the sabbath all represented Christ and what He would accomplish (Heb. 4). Now that we have the person of Christ, each one of these things has now served its purpose and is no longer necessary to observe.


Most Christians agree with this regarding the first four things listed in this verse, but the sabbath is still proclaimed as a day that must be observed by many Christians. However, this is not so. The sabbath was a picture of a relationship with God that Jesus has now opened to all who believe. The sabbath was only a picture and is now fulfilled in Christ.


Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.


Note 28 at Col. 2:17: The word "shadow" means "a faint indication." When used as a verb it means "to represent vaguely or mysteriously" (New A.H. Dict.). Each of the things listed in verse 16 served to represent something that the Messiah would accomplish. Now that Jesus the Messiah has come, the representation isn't necessary. The NIV Bible translates this verse as, "These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality however, is found in Christ."


A shadow is never as important as the person who cast it. Those who cling to the Old Testament shadow are missing the New Testament reality found in Jesus.


Note 29 at Col. 2:17: Jesus Christ is the body that cast all the Old Testament shadows. Now that we have Jesus Himself, why would anyone still cling to the shadow?


We understand then that the Sabbath is now not a day but represents a Person! The Person, Jesus, has opened the door by faith to the 'rest of God' which was lost in Eden. We are no longer under a works mentality, the keeping of laws, rituals, days and feasts. We now have the reality in the Person of Jesus Christ!


Our faith in Him is our rest, our peace with God (Rom. 5:1). We are free to observe days if that is our faith, or not observe them if that is our faith. Sunday is a cultural custom that can be used for gathering the saints, but is of no spiritual significance. Any day of the week has the same importance. Christ is the Sabbath rest, not a 24 hour day.


You can hear Andrew speak on this subject in the teaching “Our Sabbath Rest”Audio Teachings - Andrew Wommack Ministries International.
 
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I don't think it's wrong at all to go to a Sunday keeping church. Just as long as it's not under the idea of changing the Sabbath. If people decide to go to a Sunday church, I would encourage them to still honor a 7th day Sabbath and to keep it holy and set apart in some way.
And you are surely free to limit your Sabbath rest to only one day of the week if you so choose. And we are to be accepting of such, whose faith is weak. But, why you would want to stifle yourself and purposely remain weak in faith is beyond me.