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Uh-oh, your still a mixed up on issues. Since the Father is identified as God we have no problem saying, "God the Father." And in like manner the Son is identified as God why would saying "God the Son" be a problem for you?
Now, Jesus Christ is "NOT" God the Father based on the verses you provided. Isaiah 9:6 which is about the Son exclusively is not God the Father just because it says of Jesus "Eternal Father." It means Jesus is the father of eternity or the orgin/source just like at Revelation 3:14. Oh yea, Jesus is not "made" nor was His body created. The "Word/Logos" in the person of Jesus Christ the Son became flesh. John 1:14.
Also, John 14 is "NOT" teaching that Jesus is the person of God the Father. Look at John 14:10, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. The point is Jesus cannot be "in the Father and be the Father at the same time.
You also mentioned the Trinity and please notice at John 14:16, "And I (1 person) will ask the Father (two persons) and He will give you another Helper, (3 persons) that He may be with you forever." You made this "rhetorical" statement, "What are we suppose to think?"
Well that's the question, because your not thinking? (And I am not putting you down). Read the words in context, study, use commentaries, do word studies and dig deep into what the scriptures are teaching. Don't just "surface" read. For example, John 17:3 where it says, "And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent." Or at 1 Corthians 8:6, "yet for us there is one God, the Father, from wwhom are all things, and we exist for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ by whom are all things and we exist through Him."
If Jesus must be excluded if God is "the only true-God" then why is not Jesus excluded elsewhere where God is said to be "the only" something? There are multiply verses in the Bible where God or Jesus is called "the only," and yet most people, i.e antitrinitarians and even trinitarians have no problem including the the other one.
Here are a few of many. John 17:3, Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 45:18. Is the only one who is King of kings, 1 Timothy 6:15 and Revelation 17:14. Is the only one who should be worshipped. Revelation 14:7, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 28:9. Is the only Creator. Isaiah 46:24, and yet Jesus is the creator at John 1:3, Revelation 3:14, Hebrews 1:10 etc. So, think!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Now, Jesus Christ is "NOT" God the Father based on the verses you provided. Isaiah 9:6 which is about the Son exclusively is not God the Father just because it says of Jesus "Eternal Father." It means Jesus is the father of eternity or the orgin/source just like at Revelation 3:14. Oh yea, Jesus is not "made" nor was His body created. The "Word/Logos" in the person of Jesus Christ the Son became flesh. John 1:14.
Also, John 14 is "NOT" teaching that Jesus is the person of God the Father. Look at John 14:10, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. The point is Jesus cannot be "in the Father and be the Father at the same time.
You also mentioned the Trinity and please notice at John 14:16, "And I (1 person) will ask the Father (two persons) and He will give you another Helper, (3 persons) that He may be with you forever." You made this "rhetorical" statement, "What are we suppose to think?"
Well that's the question, because your not thinking? (And I am not putting you down). Read the words in context, study, use commentaries, do word studies and dig deep into what the scriptures are teaching. Don't just "surface" read. For example, John 17:3 where it says, "And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou has sent." Or at 1 Corthians 8:6, "yet for us there is one God, the Father, from wwhom are all things, and we exist for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ by whom are all things and we exist through Him."
If Jesus must be excluded if God is "the only true-God" then why is not Jesus excluded elsewhere where God is said to be "the only" something? There are multiply verses in the Bible where God or Jesus is called "the only," and yet most people, i.e antitrinitarians and even trinitarians have no problem including the the other one.
Here are a few of many. John 17:3, Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 45:18. Is the only one who is King of kings, 1 Timothy 6:15 and Revelation 17:14. Is the only one who should be worshipped. Revelation 14:7, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 28:9. Is the only Creator. Isaiah 46:24, and yet Jesus is the creator at John 1:3, Revelation 3:14, Hebrews 1:10 etc. So, think!
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well the Holy Bible gives a direct Answer::
Luke 1: KJV
35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
Because of the Way the Body of Jesus was created in the womb of Mary.. This is the reason He was called the Son of God..
Jesus was born in the flesh from Mary ( who is a part of Mankind ) So Jesus is the Son of a man ( human being Mary ) Since Mary did bare Jesus.. Jesus can and was called the Son of Mary.. Even though His Body was created by the Holy Spirit of God..
Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are One..
A prophecy about Jesus::
Isaiah 9: KJV
6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
The child that was born is the everlasting Father..
Luke 1: KJV
35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
Because of the Way the Body of Jesus was created in the womb of Mary.. This is the reason He was called the Son of God..
Jesus was born in the flesh from Mary ( who is a part of Mankind ) So Jesus is the Son of a man ( human being Mary ) Since Mary did bare Jesus.. Jesus can and was called the Son of Mary.. Even though His Body was created by the Holy Spirit of God..
Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are One..
A prophecy about Jesus::
Isaiah 9: KJV
6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
The child that was born is the everlasting Father..
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well first of all more, you say you have been a Christian since birth
that is not possible
ALL of humanity is lost at birth
a decision to follow Christ must be made. you must believe that God sent Jesus to die for your sins (the sins of the world) and you must accept that you are a sinner and without Jesus, you are lost for all eternity
so, if you have never actually done that, you cannot state you are a Christian
in fact, that might indicate your apparent confusion over rudimentary Bible doctrines
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