Why is porneia used in the book of Revelation?

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The Greek word 'porneia' is a certain sexual activity. Why is it used to describe non physical acts such as Revelation 2:21, 14:8, 18:3, etc?
 
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Porneia is also used to describe the act of spiritual fornication, i.e., becoming one with another spirit. Physical fornication makes two bodies one flesh; spiritual fornication makes two spirits one spirit. Spiritual fornication involves knowing satan in the loins of one's mind. Which is why Peter said:

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 1 Peter 1:13


Spiritual fornication is why Adam and Eve died: they knew evil in the loins of their minds, i.e., became one with evil.
 
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Marriage is where two become one. Is 'porneia' used to show a union that is against God's will?
 
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The Greek word 'porneia' is a certain sexual activity. Why is it used to describe non physical acts such as Revelation 2:21, 14:8, 18:3, etc?
Fornication is in this sense is Idolatry . Meaning, something they worship, other then God. It is not in a sexual sense its used as a figure of speech .

Strong's Greek Dictionary - Bible Software by johnhurt.com - ( the top definition is for the word you pressed.. )



porneuw
porneuo
porn-yoo'-o


from pornh - porne 4204; to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry:--commit (fornication).


An example of many :


Jeremiah 3:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.


And you can read what they where doing. They did not obey God but rather went off to false Gods, and sin...

In the cases of Revelation its the same thing , But much more serious

Revelation 14:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.


If you understand Revelation of Christ ; All the world, the Whole world, in the very near future, will be worshiping Satan himself . The world will be worshiping him as God, and in this sense is the fornication used.
 
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The Greek word 'porneia' is a certain sexual activity. Why is it used to describe non physical acts such as Revelation 2:21, 14:8, 18:3, etc?
It means all unlawful sexual activity but not a certain one; it's also including masturbation. But God isn't looking at what the flesh is doing, but focusing on the heart. God is looking at the ones that love committed adultery with the devil while they are belonging to Him. When your heart is with someone or thing, that's what you truly desired. That is consider your most prize treasure. Like some people loves to afflict pain or harm on those that are helpless and that is called fornicating with the devil.
 
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Thanks. I think your answer was correct even if you were unsure of it. Check these scriptures:
"The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh." - 1 Corinthians 6:13-16
 

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Fornication is sometimes a metaphor for idolatry which is whoring after other gods. God was in a marriage covenant relationship with ancient Israel and their departure from Him to worship other gods was spiritual infidelity.
 

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Porneia is also used to describe the act of spiritual fornication, i.e., becoming one with another spirit. Physical fornication makes two bodies one flesh; spiritual fornication makes two spirits one spirit. Spiritual fornication involves knowing satan in the loins of one's mind. Which is why Peter said:

Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 1 Peter 1:13


Spiritual fornication is why Adam and Eve died: they knew evil in the loins of their minds, i.e., became one with evil.
This is characteristic of all forms of idolatry.
 

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The Greek word 'porneia' is a certain sexual activity. Why is it used to describe non physical acts such as Revelation 2:21, 14:8, 18:3, etc?
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

God views consorting with any false religion or false doctrines as spiritual adultery...

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

This is symbolic of a great false church.

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Notice verse 18, the word fornication there comes from the Greek...

G4202
πορνεία
porneia
por-ni'-ah
From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

Paul was not only referring to physical sexual sin here, he was referring to idolatry.
 
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BeanieD

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Isn't Porniea the root for pornographic, or Pornography? This would make any sexually deviant act BAD. ???
 
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well i disagree with the idea that revelation 2:21 cannot be about the physical act...

but in the other cases sexual terminology in the bible can refer to idolatry by those who identify themselves as God's people...since by faith the church is the bride of christ...serving another god would be 'cheating'...
 
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The Scroll that the Lamb was given by God, (Which was the book of Revelations basically), was a divorce decree against His unfaithful wife, or the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel. So it's not surprising to find this kind of language in it.
 
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The Scroll that the Lamb was given by God, (Which was the book of Revelations basically), was a divorce decree against His unfaithful wife, or the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel. So it's not surprising to find this kind of language in it.
Where does it say , that scroll in revelation, was a divorce bill ? I never saw that there.
 
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The ancients would have known exactly what it was, and that is who it was written to,
not to you in the 21st century. The whole Old and New Testaments are a Covenant between God and His wife.
They were warned Old Covenant Israel, from Moses 'The Law' and the curses that he wrote, to the Prophets; that this time was coming. These seven seals was the abolishing of Old Covenant Israel.
The scroll He held was the binding contract, that she broke and she was put away,
or you can say God had her stoned to death, by this binding degree.
The whole book tells you what it is!
but it doesn't just spell it out for you,
if you are not taught of these things.
Revelations is actually the last Old Testament document written in the language of the Prophets!
Yet it is a New Testament document.
By breaking the seals Jesus, the Lamb had the authority,
to break God's contract with the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel.
Jesus said before He died, ...the kingdom will be taken from you and given to another....

So i understand it doesn't just come out and say what you want it to say in English,
but that's what it is, a divorce decree, in an ancient scroll and sealed.
 
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The ancients would have known exactly what it was, and that is who it was written to,
not to you in the 21st century. The whole Old and New Testaments are a Covenant between God and His wife.
They were warned Old Covenant Israel, from Moses 'The Law' and the curses that he wrote, to the Prophets; that this time was coming. These seven seals was the abolishing of Old Covenant Israel.
The scroll He held was the binding contract, that she broke and she was put away,
or you can say God had her stoned to death, by this binding degree.
The whole book tells you what it is!
but it doesn't just spell it out for you,
if you are not taught of these things.
Revelations is actually the last Old Testament document written in the language of the Prophets!
Yet it is a New Testament document.
By breaking the seals Jesus, the Lamb had the authority,
to break God's contract with the unfaithful of Old Covenant Israel.
Jesus said before He died, ...the kingdom will be taken from you and given to another....

So i understand it doesn't just come out and say what you want it to say in English,
but that's what it is, a divorce decree, in an ancient scroll and sealed.

The Revelation is future, not for the the past , but to us living today .

I'm not going to get into it here.

Revelation 1:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy ( FUTURE ), and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

John was taken to the lords Day in verse 10. that is that time Christ returns. And show things then. So he was not in the past. But writing what he saw of the future.


( the scroll in Revelation being a bill of divorce is not written there ... You can't document that, because it is Not written in Revelation... )
that's all I have to say about it .
 
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Thanks you actually made my point for me. Yes it was still in their futures also, for the time is at hand (upon you)!
That's ok i was just replying to the thread why the less the desirable sexual language.
when you decide to pull your head out of the sand, drop a line and we'll chat.
 
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Thanks you actually made my point for me. Yes it was still in their futures also, for the time is at hand (upon you)!
That's ok i was just replying to the thread why the less the desirable sexual language.
when you decide to pull your head out of the sand, drop a line and we'll chat.
again , verse 10 ( taken, in the spirit, to the Lord's day )