Why is there a hell?
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Hell is there for Satan and his Angels.
Matthew 25:41
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
God has made a way for us All to be saved.
1. He sent his Son to die in our place.
2. He's provided us his Holy Spirit to teach and guide us into All truth.
3. He's empowered us by his grace to do the things we should.
4. He is the Creator of all and has offered to create within us a new heart and new mind.
5. He's given us a glimpse in the future and shows us the reward of those who reject him and the reward of those who allow Him to save them.
What more can He do? The choice is
ours.
Exekiel 18:
31Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 32For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Praise be His Holy Name.
Matthew 25:41
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"
God has made a way for us All to be saved.
1. He sent his Son to die in our place.
2. He's provided us his Holy Spirit to teach and guide us into All truth.
3. He's empowered us by his grace to do the things we should.
4. He is the Creator of all and has offered to create within us a new heart and new mind.
5. He's given us a glimpse in the future and shows us the reward of those who reject him and the reward of those who allow Him to save them.
What more can He do? The choice is
ours. Exekiel 18:
31Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 32For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
Praise be His Holy Name.
Quite simply, it wasn't GOD'S Will that there should be a hell, or even the Lake of Fire at the End: it was Adam's fault. In the Beginning Adam owned the Garden of Eden as well as the entire world (he was the first world ruler), and he was given a promise of an eternal (perpetual) life for obedience to the simple Commandment not to eat the fruit from a certain tree in the center of the Garden, which tree grew next to another tree that bared the same fruit (Gen2:9; Rev22:2) (he was the first Minister of the Law). But Adam deceived his wife from the very Beginning by telling her the perverted commandment she quoted to the serpent. This is the reason there was a serpent, which is one who tells lies (Heb), in the Garden, even before Eve ate, and the reason she spoke the untruth - Don't touch. The serpent was Adam himself, and after getting her to say that both eating and touching the fruit would cause death, he finally took her to the center of the Garden for the first time, and, after reaching up and touching the forbidden fruit (teh reason for the lie), he told she could eat and live as well. And this is why he made not attmpt to stop her when she did pick and eat the forbidden fruit.
Eve was convinced that eating was lawful, and so her mind was not convicted of sin the moment she ate; however, Adam could not be deceived since he knew the truth,so his mind was immediatley convicted of sin the moment he ate the fruit. Thus they both died a spiritual death and lost the Likeness of the Lord, which left them naked and exposed. For Adam then, because he had all things GOD could give a man, even eternal life, yet he deceived his wife into sinning, and ultimatley causing her and the rest of humanity to face death, and he made no attempt to repent at his trial, GOD made hell as a place worthy of such evil souls.
And if you believe not the things i am saying, understand that you are agreeing with the masses that GEN 1 is not the complete Truth (meaning GOD was totally forthcoming) of all GOD created and made during Creation. Why should GOD do such a thing? Reread and believe what GOD had said, and listen not to men who add to, and
dominish, from the TRUTH.
Eve was convinced that eating was lawful, and so her mind was not convicted of sin the moment she ate; however, Adam could not be deceived since he knew the truth,so his mind was immediatley convicted of sin the moment he ate the fruit. Thus they both died a spiritual death and lost the Likeness of the Lord, which left them naked and exposed. For Adam then, because he had all things GOD could give a man, even eternal life, yet he deceived his wife into sinning, and ultimatley causing her and the rest of humanity to face death, and he made no attempt to repent at his trial, GOD made hell as a place worthy of such evil souls.
And if you believe not the things i am saying, understand that you are agreeing with the masses that GEN 1 is not the complete Truth (meaning GOD was totally forthcoming) of all GOD created and made during Creation. Why should GOD do such a thing? Reread and believe what GOD had said, and listen not to men who add to, and
dominish, from the TRUTH.
B
Sorry for going off topic a little bit, but there's some heavy claims in this. I'm not disagreeing with you, just never heard Adam being called a serpent before.
When I read Gen 3, I always envisioned Eve by herself chatting with the serpent. And he beguiled her and convinced her to eat the fruit. God had already warned Adam not to eat the fruit, why would Adam willfully allow Eve to be deceived? If what you're say is true, then I think God owes the devil an apology. Adam would then be the father of lies and not the devil and that would make something Jesus said to be not true.
If you read Gen 1 you will see tht there is no such thing as 'angel creation', yet GOD summed it all up in Gen 2:1. We do see the man who was created in the image of the Lord, being that of a man, and the likeness of the Lord, which is light (Ez1:26-28; 1Jn 1:5). And by Gen 2 we see he was alone with the LORD when he was given the Commandment; therefore, the only way there can be one who has earned the reputations of being subtle, which is insidious, and as a serpent, which is one who speaks lies (Heb), is the same reason Eve spoke the untruth - Don't Touch, which is that Adam lied to her when he told her the Commandment, meaning he is the devil and the serpent (not a snake, this is myth) (Jn8:44)?
How long, Oh Lord, must i continue with those who would not know sound doctrine it it met them on their doorstep or hit them on the head! Forgive my impatience Dear God.
Do you not understand that Mary had to be a virgin to exclude the seed of a man in the conception of the Savior? Does this not satisfy the exclusion of the serpent's seed according to prophesy (Gen3).
Do you understand that Adam was created body, soul and spirit, but, after he sinned, he immediately died spiritually, then his soul and his seed (offspring) were cursed as the serpent, and his body was sentenced to die physically as Adam. Or, was the LORD unjust by convicting the serpent without a trial (assuming the serpent is not Adam)?
Do you not understand the value of the Word of GOD, which is the Absolute Truth, that it is impossible to deceive one who knows and believes it: and for this reason, and because Eve was deceived, again it is proof Adam had to have deceived her from the Beginning.
How long, Oh Lord, must i continue with those who would not know sound doctrine it it met them on their doorstep or hit them on the head! Forgive my impatience Dear God.
Do you not understand that Mary had to be a virgin to exclude the seed of a man in the conception of the Savior? Does this not satisfy the exclusion of the serpent's seed according to prophesy (Gen3).
Do you understand that Adam was created body, soul and spirit, but, after he sinned, he immediately died spiritually, then his soul and his seed (offspring) were cursed as the serpent, and his body was sentenced to die physically as Adam. Or, was the LORD unjust by convicting the serpent without a trial (assuming the serpent is not Adam)?
Do you not understand the value of the Word of GOD, which is the Absolute Truth, that it is impossible to deceive one who knows and believes it: and for this reason, and because Eve was deceived, again it is proof Adam had to have deceived her from the Beginning.
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I agree there was a lie that came out of the mouth of Eve, but you're assuming Adam told this lie to Eve. It is quite possible that Eve came up with the lie on her own.
If Adam was the serpent, why did God curse the serpent and said he will crawl on his belly all the days of his life and eat dirt (as snakes do today).
John 8:44 was a reference to the devil Satan not Adam. Satan was the one who lied in the beginning abode not in truth. Adam is called the son of God. Jesus came to redeem that which was lost. Adam was given dominion over this world and Satan stole that. He is called the prince of this world. This war is between Christ and Satan. Not Christ and Adam.
Oh, in respond to the first part of youre response, we're told that Lucifer was a created Angel.
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No where does the bible or any Bible writer that I know of tell us that Adam lied to eve or tricked Eve or Deceived Eve.
Eve was Deceived by Satan.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The Serpent is Satan:
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Satan was the first to lie thus he is the Father of Lies.
Joh 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
The statement "Father of Lies" means he was the first. it started with Him.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Satan was cast out of heave to this earth. He lied first to Eve.
Where is there proof in the Word that Adam lied?
Where is there Proof the do not touch was untrue?
As far as I have seen, there is none.
If you have some I am all eyes.
Blessings.
Eve was Deceived by Satan.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The Serpent is Satan:
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Satan was the first to lie thus he is the Father of Lies.
Joh 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
The statement "Father of Lies" means he was the first. it started with Him.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Satan was cast out of heave to this earth. He lied first to Eve.
Where is there proof in the Word that Adam lied?
Where is there Proof the do not touch was untrue?
As far as I have seen, there is none.
If you have some I am all eyes.
Blessings.
A
you can try and talk to him about it but most do not think Adam is the serpent.
this is a nice little delusion he likes to engage in and spread and infect others with if he is able.
the question is not why is there is a hell but why everyone who deserves it is not in hell but allowed into Heaven?
the answer is God's grace and mercy through the blood of Jesus for the remission of sins.
this is a nice little delusion he likes to engage in and spread and infect others with if he is able.
the question is not why is there is a hell but why everyone who deserves it is not in hell but allowed into Heaven?
the answer is God's grace and mercy through the blood of Jesus for the remission of sins.
This is True, but God can change any heart, even in those that you've listed.
Remember Paul before he had his encounter with The Lord?
He stood by while the stoning of Steven was taking place, but until The Lord
enlightens the heart, in his twisted mind he may have be thinking he was doing God
a favor.
This doctrine of Hell being Eternal Torment is nothing more than a Big Lie from
the Enemy, playing on the minds of Carnal man.
Hell was never meant to be taught the way it is today.
It is misinterpreted by carnal men.
Gods judgements are real, and Holy and Just, and He will have all man to be saved
and come to the Knoweledge of Truth, whether in the body or out, that is His choosing.
Not ours. Man cannot choose God, lest God grant them repentance, that they may recover
themselves 2Tim 2:26.
It would do people good to study this word hell, and find out that it is not what God teaches,
but man.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
"BUT"
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fireunto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Food for thought:
Adam had the power to cause sin and death to pass upon all men,
for all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God.
Now, if One Person doesn't make it and is eternally separated from God because of sin,
Then that means that Adam won, and has more power to cause all men to sin unto death,.........Than Christ has to Redeem All back unto God.
Think about it.
But as it is written:
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Blessings
M
I see hell a little differently than most. A father does not punish another man's sons, but he does punish his own, and this is for correction, out of love:
Hell has a purpose and anyone present there is not outside of God's will. I think it's worth keeping in mind that the entrance to heaven will be fearful for some who are saved, but "it will be like going through fire."
Hell has a purpose and anyone present there is not outside of God's will. I think it's worth keeping in mind that the entrance to heaven will be fearful for some who are saved, but "it will be like going through fire."
E
Hell was created when Satan and his demons fell. It was created for them, and never was intended to be used for mankind.
When man chose to follow the way of Satan, They placed themselves into the position of possibly joining satan in his own demise and future punishment. God however, loved them so much he did the only think he could do rescue mankind from suffering this deserved judgment, by sending his own son to die for them. However, God will not force anyone to receive this gift of salvation. he wants us to chose him. If we do. Great, If we do not. it is not Gods fault we are sent to hell. it is our own fault. So basically we send ourselves their by rejecting God and his son.
AnandaHya,
Have you ever really studied the word hell, where it comes from what it really means?
Or are you just going to rest in Error? Did you know it is the equivalent of Sheol?
And means to "Pray" hummm?
When there are plenty of proof that hell is NOT what you think it is.
What are you so afraid of? Who is it that you cannot forgive?
And who is it that you want to see burn in an Eternal fire, for
you to feel justified?
Our Lord said Forgive our enemies, do good to those who dispitfully use you.
Now if He told us to do these things, knowing, that without Him it would be impossible,
Who is it that He will not forgive?
Who is it that can't be changed by His Love and Mercy?
Just because someone dies in this world and did not repent and come to know Him,
You say, that's it..........But, I don't believe so, who can save to the Uttermost?
Only God, has that ability to save someone apart from the flesh body, since the body
has nothing to do with our salvation anyhow. It is the inner man.
He kills and He makes Alive.
He wounds and He heals.
He chooses to show mercy,
He does all these things.
A
source please
its made up by men because it has not been revealed by GOD and His Holy words.
its a delusion but those who do not love the truth will follow after it for it tells them peace when God tells them there will be no peace.
displeasing God
no one, but this is an example of illogical reasoning and debate tactics....
I don't say it God's Word does.
yes you don't believe the Bible and what God has to say instead you indulge in this:
yes but He also casts people in Hell if it is His choice.
its made up by men because it has not been revealed by GOD and His Holy words.
its a delusion but those who do not love the truth will follow after it for it tells them peace when God tells them there will be no peace.
displeasing God
no one, but this is an example of illogical reasoning and debate tactics....
I don't say it God's Word does.
yes you don't believe the Bible and what God has to say instead you indulge in this:
yes but He also casts people in Hell if it is His choice.
AnadaHya,
Source? you asked, ahhhh...... The Bible, and the Hebrew word and the definitions,
And taking it all the way through the scriptures and seeing how it is used in every
occurrence, and of course The Holy Spirit, as my teacher.
The word hell is an English word, that actually comes from German origen.
But the equal word that should be used for the new testament is Sheol or Hades.
Tradition has changed it's meaning over the yr..
But the Jews in the old testament never applied it to eternal torment.
It was a place where all the dead go, inspite of there way of life here on earth.
But nevertheless, if that isn't enough, "and not that I think you will even give anything
I put in text a second glance" But if you need outside proof then here are some links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/FromHellsEternalDeath.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/ifhellisreal.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
H7592
shaw-al', shaw-ale'
A primitive root; to inquire; by implication to request; by extension to demand: - ask (counsel, on), beg, borrow, lay to charge, consult, demand, desire, X earnestly, enquire, + greet, obtain leave, lend, pray, request, require, + salute, X straitly, X surely, wish.
In study I always take the word to it's prime root.
But I also have found that to those who do not believe, no proof is possible
But to those who believe, no proof is necessary.
God Bless you in your search for Truth
Source? you asked, ahhhh...... The Bible, and the Hebrew word and the definitions,
And taking it all the way through the scriptures and seeing how it is used in every
occurrence, and of course The Holy Spirit, as my teacher.
The word hell is an English word, that actually comes from German origen.
But the equal word that should be used for the new testament is Sheol or Hades.
Tradition has changed it's meaning over the yr..
But the Jews in the old testament never applied it to eternal torment.
It was a place where all the dead go, inspite of there way of life here on earth.
But nevertheless, if that isn't enough, "and not that I think you will even give anything
I put in text a second glance" But if you need outside proof then here are some links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/FromHellsEternalDeath.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/ifhellisreal.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/ScholarsCorner.html
sheh-ole', sheh-ole'
From H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat), including its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit.
H7592
shaw-al', shaw-ale'
A primitive root; to inquire; by implication to request; by extension to demand: - ask (counsel, on), beg, borrow, lay to charge, consult, demand, desire, X earnestly, enquire, + greet, obtain leave, lend, pray, request, require, + salute, X straitly, X surely, wish.
In study I always take the word to it's prime root.
But I also have found that to those who do not believe, no proof is possible
But to those who believe, no proof is necessary.
God Bless you in your search for Truth