Why Jerusalem?

[Pilgrimshope]

I never ever stated that the beast does not attack and kill the two witnesses in Jerusalem.. If you have evidence of me saying such a thing quote it.. Provide the number of the post where i ever said that?

Yes i agree the LORD will come down and attack the army of the beast that attacks Jerusalem..

You seem to think that the two witnesses are killed during the battle of Armageddon? But if you read the revelation you will see that the people in Jerusalem and all ove the world will be celebrating the deaths of these two witnesses.. Now why would the people of Jerusalem be celebrating the beast killing the two witnesses if the beast's army is attacking Jerusalem at the time and trying to exterminate them?

Clearly there will be a time when the beast will have the majority of the people of the city of Jerusalem deceived..

The revelation in context::

Revelation 11: KJV
3 "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. {4} These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. {5} And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. {6} These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. {7} And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. {8} And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. {9} And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. {10} And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. {11} And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. {12} And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. {13} And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Also in the Book of Revelation the horns on the beast shall destroy the harlot city with fire..

Revelation 17: KJV
15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. {16} And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

Jerusalem cannot be the harlot because the harlot in the Bible is made up of people of many nations and tongues.. This does not point to just Israel and the Jews in Jerusalem with their palestinian and arab minorities.. The harlot of the Bible is a multinational.. And is destroyed earlier in the Book of Revelation.. before the final battle of Amaggedon.. where the beasts army will be amassed to attack jerusalem..

Revelation 17: KJV
15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. {16} And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

Look closer at what he says brother

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth,

are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.


She is sitting on many waters nations of people because she was chosen above all nations of the earth through the covenant God to be his holy City on earth but they continually committed whoredom serving other Gods that’s why the terminology is what it is she committed spiritual whoredoms even though God had chose her to rule.

look at what Ezekiel foretold in the latter prophecies regarding the son of man not at all wanting to argue but look at this and then look at the revelation

“Thus saith the Lord God; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her. And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her:

for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;

Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.

And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.

Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.

Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord God; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.

A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee:

and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee;

and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭5:5-12‬ ‭

“Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine. ...

And Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.


But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.

But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband! They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:1-2, 8-16, 22, 32-33, 35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that continues and is much much longer these prophecies in the ot many many more various authors , are why we have the terminology in revelation

she’s also referred to as sodom and Egypt in revelation

“And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jerusalem is a central point of prophecy but it began with God beautiful and refused him so those who received Jesus and then those of the rest of the world who received Jesus are Gods elect the children of Abraham by faith

 

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Revelation 17: KJV
15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. {16} And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."

Look closer at what he says brother

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth,

are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.


She is sitting on many waters nations of people because she was chosen above all nations of the earth through the covenant God to be his holy City on earth but they continually committed whoredom serving other Gods that’s why the terminology is what it is she committed spiritual whoredoms even though God had chose her to rule.

look at what Ezekiel foretold in the latter prophecies regarding the son of man not at all wanting to argue but look at this and then look at the revelation

“Thus saith the Lord God; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her. And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her:

for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;

Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.

And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.

Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds.

Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord God; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.

A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee:

and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee;

and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭5:5-12‬ ‭

“Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine. ...

And Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.


But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.

But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband! They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:1-2, 8-16, 22, 32-33, 35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that continues and is much much longer these prophecies in the ot many many more various authors , are why we have the terminology in revelation

she’s also referred to as sodom and Egypt in revelation

“And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jerusalem is a central point of prophecy but it began with God beautiful and refused him so those who received Jesus and then those of the rest of the world who received Jesus are Gods elect the children of Abraham by faith

You are posting scripture of prophecies that came true when the Romans laid siege to Jerusalem in 70AD indeed the Jews in Jerusalem at the time did engage in cannibalism and where slaughtered and the remnant where scattered to the to the 4 corners of the world and the Jews who where exiled suffered from pogroms and persecutions many times in many diverse places.

But in the end times Jesus will come down and defeat the massed army of the beast on the plains of megedo.. So this time the people will not be dispersed to the 4 corners of the world..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You are posting scripture of prophecies that came true when the Romans laid siege to Jerusalem in 70AD indeed the Jews in Jerusalem at the time did engage in cannibalism and where slaughtered and the remnant where scattered to the to the 4 corners of the world and the Jews who where exiled suffered from pogroms and persecutions many times in many diverse places.

But in the end times Jesus will come down and defeat the massed army of the beast on the plains of megedo.. So this time the people will not be dispersed to the 4 corners of the world..

hold on , the subject was is Jerusalem the great whore mentioned in revelation you said it couldn’t possibly be her and misquoted this scripture Saying the whore was made of all
Nations . The waters are the people of the earth and the woman is Jerusalem was the point

“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Regarding what you are saying I think I would have some agreement and also some disagreement but the whore is Jerusalem was the point of the scriptures I shared with you .

up until chapter 12 it deals with the ot and the judgements from thier covenant the curses like look at the first four seals

“For thus saith the Lord God; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭14:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those seals he opens are the curses written in the mosaic law the first four seals . Fulfilling the repetitive promise to send famine , pestilence , the sword and beasts to destroy Israel the ones who would be saved are those who believed Jesus when he came with thier promised new covenant The remnant he promised to deliver

“Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭14:15, 22‬ ‭



Those folks are the church when it began first in those people who accepted the messiah they became the remnant of israel
And through thier message the world
Was included because of Israel’s rejection

there is no longer a difference in a Jew and a gentile it was a mystery until the New Testament

“How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;

Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The only restoration ever coming is what Jesus offered in the gospel Gods kingdom and gentile and Jew is a thing of the ancient world there’s just the church which is salvation from what the old covenant is bringing upon this world but we have the promises Jesus made

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

...Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This creation is doomed all together including the land of Israel

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You say I have a wall

yet you can NT answer my questions

i suggest maybe you are the one with the wall.

you say Isreal never repented, I agree

but an eternal covenant is eternal. The earth is still here, the end has not come, hence if Israel repents, God WILL keep his promise, that is exactly what is,foretold in the passages I gave you but you will not even look at them

i suggest you study what Paul said, as as a gentile believer should not be proud, it fear,

well here, let him speak

Rom 11: 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they arebeloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

you see, if you read the prophecy concerning God bringing judah and Isreal back and making them one again, and they will no longer continue in there sin (this is said in many places, I gave you just one) you would see what Paul is talking about here, the time of the gentile will end, and when it is done, Israel will repent

the most important thing you should see is the gifts of God are irrevocable. God gave an unconditional gift to abraham though 1 son, god does not rev it on his promises. if he does, non of us are safe

rightbthier covenant is eternal that’s why we have an eternal curse on man that we need salvation from . I thought this might make some sense to you

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭

your right that is eternal there was either blessing if they kept his covenant and a curse if they broke it they broke it a thousand times over so that everlasting covenant is now an everlasting curse like it says in the covenant itself of tounbreak
My covenant and whore out to
Other gods you will be a curse and cursed perpetually , but if you keep
My covenant you will be blessed in all things

the covenant could be a blessing for earth or a curse it became a curse because they refused to repent and keep his covenant so very clearly in just that one verse there

the earth is cursed with an everlasting curse precisely because the covenant is everlasting the curse that devours the earth is an eternal thing also

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I agree their covenant is eternal , I think you should look and see if the covenant Includes either a blessing or a curse depending on whether they kept the covenant or Defiled it You will find an eternal curse that stems from transgressing the law and eternal salvation that stems from repenting and believing the gospel

there are two eternal covenants in scripture one causes the curse over all
People on earth even the earth itself , the other gives salvation from that eternal Curse and offers Gods eternal Kingdom through Christ whether a person was born of Abraham’s blood or not makes Absolutely zero difference anymore it never will Make a difference again what nationality , race, or gender a person is what matters is Christ and faith. There’s only one inheritance

“That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law isolates israel from gentiles that’s all gone now people are all sinners in need of salvation

Gods elect is the church gentile or Jew

“Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God cares about who we are within and how we treat others , it’s not about the flesh and blood Any Longer

turn your eyes to the heavens brother and not to the earth

 

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hold on , the subject was is Jerusalem the great whore mentioned in revelation you said it couldn’t possibly be her

I gave points that call into question your belief that Jerusalem is the whore.. But i do not think i ever stated """It coundn't possibly be her""" Now if i did state that i will be happy to acknowledge that i did.. But untill then i request that you point me to the post where i made that statement..

and misquoted this scripture

I quote the King James Version Bible.. You aledge that i have misquoted the Bible.. Please back up your allegation by quoting a verse that i added to or took away words.. What verse did i tamper with??? Reveal it please..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I gave points that call into question your belief that Jerusalem is the whore.. But i do not think i ever stated """It coundn't possibly be her""" Now if i did state that i will be happy to acknowledge that i did.. But untill then i request that you point me to the post where i made that statement..



I quote the King James Version Bible.. You aledge that i have misquoted the Bible.. Please back up your allegation by quoting a verse that i added to or took away words.. What verse did i tamper with??? Reveal it please..

this is from your post


“Jerusalem cannot be the harlot because the harlot in the Bible is made up of people of many nations and tongues..”

did you write that ? You can scroll back up and see it in your own post that’s why I quoted the prophecies where God is declaring Jerusalem a whore again and again and saying he would turn her lovers against her because of her whoredoms with thier gods.

shouldn’t be a conflict bro you misquoted or misread a scripture that’s not the end of the world . But it seems like you changed course and are looking elsewhere now

I’m not saying you are lying I’m saying you misread or misunderstood the verse you quoted , not an attempt to argue just the truth

All I’m saying is you misunderstood this and used it to support your idea not alleging you did some evil or anything but made a mistake

“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

she is sitting on many waters it’s a representation of Israel who was Gods chosen ruling City on earth .

that’s all I was saying to you , the scripture you used there to show that it couldn’t be Jerusalem was misread or understood that’s not fighting words bro , I actually thought you would appreciate seeing that

waters have symbolic meaning in scripture sometimes it is doctrine , other times it represents people’s in prophecy also the spirit has been represented in pure waters .

the woman in revelation 12 who is glorious is Israel , but she became a whore to God , the ot is filled with prophecies saying it , do you see where the ten horns hate the whore and turn on her . That’s what God said on those prophecies he would do to Jerusalem for her whoredoms with her . She became a whore and was defiled by Satan another constant subject of prophecy

it only begins with Jerusalem and spreads into all the earth just like salvation began in Israel and spread through the earth.

anyways I’m sorry if it seemed I was trying to argue , and I think it’s fine if people have different ideas about revelation and who the whore is , to me it makes sense to learn and then let that sit and then add more to that from the proper understanding which for my belief comes from prophecy making clear who the figures in revelation are is say for my own belief I’m convinced the who’re is Jerusalem after she rebelled and became a whore to mother gods .

 

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this is from your post


“Jerusalem cannot be the harlot because the harlot in the Bible is made up of people of many nations and tongues..”

Fair enough..

You can scroll back up and see it in your own post that’s why I quoted the prophecies where God is declaring Jerusalem a whore again and again and saying he would turn her lovers against her because of her whoredoms with thier gods.

Jerusalem being called a harlot does not mean she is the harlot of Babylon.. The Jews did play the harlot with other religions from time to time and when ever they did they where playing the harlot spiritually but they where punished for doing so on two occasions when they where taken captive to Babylon and later when the Romans kicked them out of Israel.. They will suffer again in the end times but again being a spiritual harlot does not mean they are the particular harlot of Babylon depicted in the book of revelation..

shouldn’t be a conflict bro you misquoted or misread a scripture that’s not the end of the world .

I don't concede that at all..

I’m not saying you are lying I’m saying you misread or misunderstood the verse you quoted , not an attempt to argue just the truth

Just because you have a different interpretation of scripture does not mean that you are right and everyone else is wrong..

“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

she is sitting on many waters it’s a representation of Israel who was Gods chosen ruling City on earth .

Again the Jews are NOT many nations.. The Jews are ONE nation all descendants of Abraham.. It is you who are not interpreting the verse accurately..

that’s all I was saying to you , the scripture you used there to show that it couldn’t be Jerusalem was misread or understood that’s not fighting words bro , I actually thought you would appreciate seeing that

I don't mind people having different interpretations about who the harlot of Babylon is.. I don't like people putting words into my mouth or saying i have misquoted scripture..

the woman in revelation 12 who is glorious is Israel , but she became a whore to God , the ot is filled with prophecies saying it , do you see where the ten horns hate the whore and turn on her . That’s what God said on those prophecies he would do to Jerusalem for her whoredoms with her . She became a whore and was defiled by Satan another constant subject of prophecy

In the Book of Revelation the whore is taken out early on in the piece.. But Jerusalem is still around at the end at the battle of Armageddon when the LORD will come down and defend the remnant.. If the ten horns burn and destroy Jerusalem then the Jews will be wiped out and there will be no remnant for Jesus to defend..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Fair enough..



Jerusalem being called a harlot does not mean she is the harlot of Babylon.. The Jews did play the harlot with other religions from time to time and when ever they did they where playing the harlot spiritually but they where punished for doing so on two occasions when they where taken captive to Babylon and later when the Romans kicked them out of Israel.. They will suffer again in the end times but again being a spiritual harlot does not mean they are the particular harlot of Babylon depicted in the book of revelation..



I don't concede that at all..



Just because you have a different interpretation of scripture does not mean that you are right and everyone else is wrong..




Again the Jews are NOT many nations.. The Jews are ONE nation all descendants of Abraham.. It is you who are not interpreting the verse accurately..



I don't mind people having different interpretations about who the harlot of Babylon is.. I don't like people putting words into my mouth or saying i have misquoted scripture..




In the Book of Revelation the whore is taken out early on in the piece.. But Jerusalem is still around at the end at the battle of Armageddon when the LORD will come down and defend the remnant.. If the ten horns burn and destroy Jerusalem then the Jews will be wiped out and there will be no remnant for Jesus to defend..

again it’s okay to have your own interpretation and , I wasn’t saying everyone is wrong I said you misused that verse .

yea .....I’m not sure that all the prophecy saying all the same things there about the whore all about Jerusalem is any kind of proof even though it all corresponds perfectly and there are no other references to any other great whore who was to be judged in that manner .

I think interpreting things is the issue rather than accepting scripture. And letting scripture interpret scripture and form belief

Again to be clear as I’ve said several times you don’t have to agree with me , it’s just a discussion forum where people are going to have different ideas . You and I are no different , just both showing our idea on a subject . If you are going to get offended , a discussion isn’t worth it to me

so I’m good with however you want to understand and interpret scripture , I’m not agreeing with some of what your saying ..... but so what , still a very interesting discussion I think anyways and if you were to never agree I still wouldn’t feel attacked or insulted bro Christians need to come together without offense

I think a lot of People believe they are right , you do , I do , many others do . if not why would we be sharing what we believe ?

But make sure you don’t label me because we don’t agree . I don’t think anyone needs to convert and believe the same as me , I’m not any kind of authority in any way here to discuss and possibly grow a bit no other reason

but In a discussion I’m always going to represent my beliefs especially when there’s so Much scripture to convince me . Never catch me name calling or spreading insult , but do have beliefs formed and am always willing to consider against scripture anyone’s ideas

again yours I don’t disagree with all but some I do , shouldn’t be an offense but a good situation to discuss if and only if it’s on the right spirit otherwise we end up biting and devouring

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Fair enough..



Jerusalem being called a harlot does not mean she is the harlot of Babylon.. The Jews did play the harlot with other religions from time to time and when ever they did they where playing the harlot spiritually but they where punished for doing so on two occasions when they where taken captive to Babylon and later when the Romans kicked them out of Israel.. They will suffer again in the end times but again being a spiritual harlot does not mean they are the particular harlot of Babylon depicted in the book of revelation..



I don't concede that at all..



Just because you have a different interpretation of scripture does not mean that you are right and everyone else is wrong..




Again the Jews are NOT many nations.. The Jews are ONE nation all descendants of Abraham.. It is you who are not interpreting the verse accurately..



I don't mind people having different interpretations about who the harlot of Babylon is.. I don't like people putting words into my mouth or saying i have misquoted scripture..




In the Book of Revelation the whore is taken out early on in the piece.. But Jerusalem is still around at the end at the battle of Armageddon when the LORD will come down and defend the remnant.. If the ten horns burn and destroy Jerusalem then the Jews will be wiped out and there will be no remnant for Jesus to defend..

“Again the Jews are NOT many nations.. The Jews are ONE nation all descendants of Abraham.. It is you who are not interpreting the verse accurately..”

what are you talking about lol ? The waters are not describing the whore Jerusalem , the waters represent people of the earth where Jerusalem sits upon the beast .

This is why i said that you misread it : the woman is not the water the people of the earth are the waters Jerusalem sits above because she Was the chosen city of God until She became a whore As God has said always she would .


“And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:1, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:15, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The waters are not describing the whore she is the woman arrayed in various colors drunk with the blood of the prophets , she sits upon the waters because Jerusalem was chosen by God to be his city on earth .

when you keep saying “ Jews are not all nations they are one nation” it doesn’t make any sense to your argument the woman the whore is a city who sits above all nations .

that’s what I was saying you misread your taking the description of the waters she is sitting above and applying it to the whore the great city

that city is Jerusalem because that’s the only City God ever chose on earth , and she is seen sitting upon all nations Because of that

I’m not sure what your not seeing the waters are not the whore they are the nations she corrupted with her fornications

 

[Adstar]

“Again the Jews are NOT many nations.. The Jews are ONE nation all descendants of Abraham.. It is you who are not interpreting the verse accurately..”

what are you talking about lol ? The waters are not describing the whore Jerusalem , the waters represent people of the earth where Jerusalem sits upon the beast .

This is why i said that you misread it : the woman is not the water the people of the earth are the waters Jerusalem sits above because she Was the chosen city of God until She became a whore As God has said always she would .


“And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:1, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:15, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The waters are not describing the whore she is the woman arrayed in various colors drunk with the blood of the prophets , she sits upon the waters because Jerusalem was chosen by God to be his city on earth .

when you keep saying “ Jews are not all nations they are one nation” it doesn’t make any sense to your argument the woman the whore is a city who sits above all nations .

that’s what I was saying you misread your taking the description of the waters she is sitting above and applying it to the whore the great city

that city is Jerusalem because that’s the only City God ever chose on earth , and she is seen sitting upon all nations Because of that

I’m not sure what your not seeing the waters are not the whore they are the nations she corrupted with her fornications

I never said the waters represent the whore... Why is it that i continually have to point out that i never stated the things you repeatedly tell me that i am saying... I think it boils down to you being so focused on giving your view of scripture that you don't really concentrate on other peoples view on scripture..

This has been a one sided discussion.. You're not here to fellowship.. You're here to lecture..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I never said the waters represent the whore... Why is it that i continually have to point out that i never stated the things you repeatedly tell me that i am saying... I think it boils down to you being so focused on giving your view of scripture that you don't really concentrate on other peoples view on scripture..

This has been a one sided discussion.. You're not here to fellowship.. You're here to lecture..

why did you go remove your posts that you are now denying having said ? Am i Mistaken or did you remove the post where you quoted this verse


“And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I looked through the thread but unless I’m missing it , it suddenly disappeared ? Did you delete it so you could deny having said it ?