Why Moses and Elijah were at the transfiguration.

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cv5

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I just need you to acknowledge that truth!
Every word of the original Greek is right there. Enjoy!

And yea, people "need" a lot of things buddy. Nevertheless, I do not "acknowledge" your bizarre take on that passage.

I think you are not seeing the point of the lesson.
Are you a Rabbi by any chance?

Mat 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Jas 3:1
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
 

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Every word of the original Greek is right there. Enjoy!

And yea, people "need" a lot of things buddy. Nevertheless, I do not "acknowledge" your bizarre take on that passage.


Are you a Rabbi by any chance?

Mat 23:8
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Jas 3:1
My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
No am not a Rabbi

Go back over your posts and find where you have explained your belief in what happened to Enoch.

I cant find it.
 

cv5

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No am not a Rabbi
Go back over your posts and find where you have explained your belief in what happened to Enoch.
You are not a Rabbi? Ok. Are you the CC bible drill Seargent perhaps?
 

cv5

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No, just a Bible student/disciple who loves the Word.
You?
A believer in the risen Christ, who is a futurist, literalist, premillennialist and believes in the pre-trib rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ, aka the Bride, aka the Body.

Of course I also believe in the promised and prophesied final and full redemption and reconstitution of the sons of Jacob aka the Nation Israel, Gods elect people at the end of the turbulation aka 70th week of Daniel. I likewise believe that this redemption is yet future and will soon be coming to pass.

And you?
 

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A believer who is a futurist, literalist, premillennialist and believes in the pre-trib rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ, aka the Bride, aka the Body.

Of course I also believe in the promised and prophesied final and full redemption and reconstitution of the sons of Jacob aka the Nation Israel, Gods elect people at the end of the turbulation aka 70th week of Daniel. I likewise believe that this redemption is yet future and will soon be coming to pass.

And you?
In principle the same - its rare indeed to find a believer "Christian" who understands Romans 11! I would say our understanding of Revelation is different, but no need to go into that right now.

I don't believe in heaven going...the meek will inherit the earth...not heaven!
Those promised are still yet to be made perfect as per Hebrews 11:39 they have not received what has been promised i.e immortality and their inheritance. God is still taking a people from the Gentiles for His name.

No doubt we differ on many more doctrinal points but the Heaven and Hell going would be two majors.

F2F
 

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Yay, math!

He created it
and also became part of it in Christ

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; and hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; that they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:24-28‬ ‭

his hands are shaping us and it
 

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It's because of sin that we ALL die. But the Bible does not tell us the reason that Moses died when and where he did.

One thing is sure, God did not kill him, as F2F seems to believe.
“It's because of sin that we ALL die. But the Bible does not tell us the reason that Moses died when and where he did.”

“And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭20:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when they reached the point of entering into the land , Gods word there to Aaron and Moses had to be fulfilled before the people could be led into the land by Joshua crossing over the Jordan

“So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭34:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That was what I was trying to say the reason he died when and where he did is because of what he did striking the rock instead of obeying God , the next verse says Moses can’t lead then into the land now , so when they reached the edge and we’re about to enter this happened

God said this to Moses

“And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying, Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession: and die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel. Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭32:48

Do you see what I was saying ? Because Moses did that , and they reached the time to enter in God sent him to die on the Mount because of his transgression and lack of atonement

but he was allowed a slight mercy by the angel allowing him to see the promised land at a long distance away but he never received the actual promise of entering it . But Moses was gathered to his people to rest until Christ came

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Pilgrimshope

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Lets be clear what do you believe translated means?
Let's check we are on the same page!

Did not see death for you means he didnt die
Did not see death for me means he didnt know he was taken and that he died and was buried

It means Enoch's life was cut short unexpectedly right? You get this?

The question you should ask is why?
translation probably would be something like this

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-58‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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“It's because of sin that we ALL die. But the Bible does not tell us the reason that Moses died when and where he did.”

“And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭20:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when they reached the point of entering into the land , Gods word there to Aaron and Moses had to be fulfilled before the people could be led into the land by Joshua crossing over the Jordan

“So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭34:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That was what I was trying to say the reason he died when and where he did is because of what he did striking the rock instead of obeying God , the next verse says Moses can’t lead then into the land now , so when they reached the edge and we’re about to enter this happened

God said this to Moses

“And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying, Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession: and die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel. Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭32:48

Do you see what I was saying ? Because Moses did that , and they reached the time to enter in God sent him to die on the Mount because of his transgression and lack of atonement

but he was allowed a slight mercy by the angel allowing him to see the promised land at a long distance away but he never received the actual promise of entering it . But Moses was gathered to his people to rest until Christ came

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Very impressed with this post!
Like Abraham Moses looked for a city whose builder and maker is God...he sleeps awaiting the Resurrection.
 

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Very impressed with this post!
Like Abraham Moses looked for a city whose builder and maker is God...he sleeps awaiting the Resurrection.
yes Hebrews 11 explains a lot about faith from abel to enoch to Noah ( grace through faith ) Abraham Isaac and Jacob Moses sarah even rahab and her actions with the Israeli spies
 

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Okay let's go a little deeper shall we.
I'm trying to get you to see how you and Jesus share a certain weakness.

"God made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that in him we would become the righteousness of God."

In what way was Jesus weak and made sin for us? 2 Corinthians 5:21

F2F
Are you suggesting the flesh itself is weak?
 

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Are you suggesting the flesh itself is weak?
Depends on whose perspective you are speaking from.
If from the God of the living perspective, then yes! absolutely!
For those trying to resist its lusts and temptations then no, its super strong! We can overcome our nature or bias to sin.
Death is the flesh's strength and weakness.
 

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Depends on whose perspective you are speaking from.
If from the God of the living perspective, then yes! absolutely!
For those trying to resist its lusts and temptations then no, its super strong! We can overcome our nature or bias to sin.
Death is the flesh's strength and weakness.
Jesus’s flesh wasn't weak. It did keep the law.
 

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Jesus’s flesh wasn't weak. It did keep the law.
It was condemned to die just like you.
BTW his flesh didnt keep anything - he was made strong by his Father in mind to overcome it.
 

Cameron143

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It was condemned to die just like you.
BTW his flesh didnt keep anything - he was made strong by his Father in mind to overcome it.
Exactly what the Divine interchange between Father and Son is beyond my comprehension but the whole purpose in His coming was to die. In His flesh He overcame the law. That's not weakness. And every commandment He kept, He submitted to the Father...even in death.
 

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Exactly what the Divine interchange between Father and Son is beyond my comprehension but the whole purpose in His coming was to die. In His flesh He overcame the law. That's not weakness. And every commandment He kept, He submitted to the Father...even in death.
The weakness he died too he did once...the result of which made him the righteousness of God.