Why the cross? Why the manger?

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Tinuviel

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THE TEN COMMANDMENT CAME AFTER NOAH why where they not in place at the days of noah ??????????????????????
They were in place in the time of Noah. Man has God's law written on his heart.
 

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I could feel His Light there in the dark, a spark of Glory would come to me
from atop the wood.
I understood He was helping me through the gate of fate into a Light,
and bright it was because of its Source...

A loss I felt as the angel knelt before my Friend, hovering in space,
before the Grace of Mankind...

Keep me Lord of Hosts, I toast to You this wine, Fruit of the Vine, run through my veins...

He was, is, the sum of Glory...
 
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The people of old testament had the law, also God thought of people differently because they still were of a sinful nature. You can't compare OT God to the new one because his view of us has changed.. Salvation does not mean just going to heaven when you die, it also has to do with being right with God and being righteous. When Jesus died on the cross believers were upgraded into sons and daughters of God, new creations in Christ.
upgraded what like a better mind lol
 
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They were in place in the time of Noah. Man has God's law written on his heart.
didnt that promis come the latter all tho i could be wrong as genesis never supprise me
 
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Ariel82

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No chance of salvation ? if Jesus hadnt of shown us the light GODS GREAT PLAN from the beginning i think not tHE ONLY REASONABLE explanation is god never created evil only something else did
Cancer is the corruption of good cells to diseased ones. Sin is the cancer of the world and humanity.
 

Magenta

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THE TEN COMMANDMENT CAME AFTER NOAH why where they not in place at the days of noah ??????????????????????
The Noahide covenant was in place then, established after the flood.
Are you familiar with it? It is considered binding on all of humanity.
 
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Ariel82

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Wow this thread got long quick gonna read through before commenting more.
 
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The Noahide covenant was in place then, established after the flood.
Are you familiar with it? It is considered binding on all of humanity.
sounds good can you show that in scripture or am i guessing you think God told noah the commandments ?
iF SO DID THEY GET LOST ? CAUSE FROM WHAT I HAVE READ lol
God wrote them on stone for moses to see
 

G00WZ

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upgraded what like a better mind lol
upgraded into sons and daughters just as i said before. Seated in heavenly places with Christ. The entire book of Acts.
"John 14:12" "Matthew 10:8" ... and before you start, because i know you will, youtube street healings, people still do them today.
 
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Ariel82

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The people of old testament had the law, also God thought of people differently because they still were of a sinful nature. You can't compare OT God to the new one because his view of us has changed.. Salvation does not mean just going to heaven when you die, it also has to do with being right with God and being righteous. When Jesus died on the cross believers were upgraded into sons and daughters of God, new creations in Christ.
I disagree. The Old testament God is the same God as the New testament and that are many old testament saints in Heaven. The Gospel message could be found as early as Genesis 3 when God told Satan that a Seed of Eve would crush his head.
 
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Ariel82

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so let me get this staight what where peple from the old t doing in heaven if there was no chance of salvation and what was the idea of 2000 years of the ten commandments for ?? if god didnt want you to be saved befor jesus
I don't understand your statements. The ten commandments were to show the sinfulness of man and how people could not be saved without a savior.

They might try and keep the law for a while but in the end they fail if they do not have God's help, if they don't have His Holy Spirit to teach, guide and protect them because the enemy tempts us like he did Adam and eve in the garden.

However God saved people before Jesus was physically born here. He saved anyone who believed the Gospel message. Only difference is they were looking to the future event and we look back to something already done: Jesus death, resurrection and ascension. Our born again status.

That is part of the milk that Paul refers to.
 

G00WZ

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I disagree. The Old testament God is the same God as the New testament and that are many old testament saints in Heaven. The Gospel message could be found as early as Genesis 3 when God told Satan that a Seed of Eve would crush his head.
He is the same God, i was saying that Gods view of us has changed since we are now in Christ. When i say OT God vs new that is what i am referring to.
 
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Ariel82

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THE TEN COMMANDMENT CAME AFTER NOAH why where they not in place at the days of noah ??????????????????????
God's laws are written in the hearts of all of creation since the beginning of time. Some people deny it but these verses make me believe that God teaches morality to all people's. Israel was only special because of Jesus and His protection of that holy lineage that He would be born into.

The whole bible is about Jesus and God's redemption plan of humanity.

James 2
For there is no partiality with God.
For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
 
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Ariel82

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He is the same God, i was saying that Gods view of us has changed since we are now in Christ. When i say OT God vs new that is what i am referring to.
You might have to clarify, I am not sure I understand your distinction.
 

Magenta

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sounds good can you show that in scripture or am i guessing you think God told noah the commandments ?
iF SO DID THEY GET LOST ? CAUSE FROM WHAT I HAVE READ lol
God wrote them on stone for moses to see
Genesis chapter 9:8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him:

9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you

10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth.

11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

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And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come:

13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth.

14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds,

15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life.

16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

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So God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth.”


When Noah and his family exited the Ark, God established a Covenant with Noah, the Noahide Covenant. (Ex. 9:9-10) God introduced the rainbow in the sky as a symbol of this Covenant. In this Covenant, God promised never to destroy mankind with water again. He added to the six instructions he gave Adam's generations a Seventh Commandment (Ex. 9:2-4a) and reaffirmed the past commandments (Ex. 9:1; 4b-6; 7; and other verses following in the Torah and Nach).

Noah and his family accepted the Seven for all his descendants. All human beings are children of Noah, and why we all have the responsibility to observe the commandments of the Noahide Covenant because of our forefather Noah. All human beings, both Jew and gentile, have this responsibility to one another and to God. Through this basic instruction (Torah) God gave mankind a path to make the world a better place.
https://sites.google.com/site/noahite/what

It is in Genesis 9. 1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. 6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. 7 And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein."

See The Covenant with Noah for a more thorough explanation :)


 

G00WZ

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You might have to clarify, I am not sure I understand your distinction.
Colossians 1:13 "For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves"
Ephesians 2:6 "And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus"
1 Corinthians 3:9 "For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building."
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?"

It wasn't always like this, remember the Ark of the covenant, you couldn't even touch it because it was so Holy it would kill you.To take the spirit of God and put it in Christians, believers in HIS son, His view changed of us, our identities have changed too,from sinners to saints/ sons and daughters... And as i said before more was paid for than just getting into heaven when a person dies. Jesus said he came to give people life abundantly. Peter said that by his wounds we were healed, and i believe it too..seen it, seen people get healed countless times.
 

Eleazar

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Why was Jesus born in a manger and died on the cross?

Why did we need a blood sacrifice to atone for our sins?
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Why the cross ?


“Jesus died on a simple death stake: In support of this there speak (a) the then customary usage of this means of execution in the Orient, (b) indirectly the history itself of Jesus’ sufferings and (c) many expressions of the early Church fathers.”—The Cross and Crucifixion, Hermann Fulda.


The question still remains, why did Jesus die in this fashion ?


The apostle Paul states that Christ became a curse to those under the law by being fastened to a stake, since “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake [xylon].” Paul here is quoting from the law of Moses, which required that the bodies of executed criminals be fastened to a tree or stake as a warning and which meant that they were cursed by God.—Gal. 3:13; Deut. 21:22, 23
Paul explained in Gal 3:13 that Jews that were under obligation to follow the law are under a curse, Jesus removed or fulfilled the law by taking the curse upon himself by been nailed to the torture stake.


Why a manger ?


Caesar Au·gus′tus, ordered a census to be taken in ones city of birth. Since Joseph was born in Beth′le·hem he had to travel there from the city of Nazareth. When he and Mary arrived, there wasn’t room for them anywhere, so they had to lodge in a stable and put Jesus in a manger.
The Bible doesn't seem to ascribe any other meaning to the fact that Jesus was put in a manger.


Why do we need a blood sacrifice ?


God’s legal requirement of perfect justice is evident in his law to Israel: “Soul will be for soul, eye for eye, tooth for tooth......” (Deut. 19:21) Therefore, to redeem man from sin and death, the ransom price of a perfect human soul was required since such a life was forfeited.
Since blood stands for life, Jesus sacrifice of his life involved the spilling of blood. Thus the blood of Jesus figuratively (and literately) was poured out as a sacrifice.