Why The Fruit Inspectors Get It Wrong - by Pastor Ralph Arnold

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hmm wonder what good fruits Mr Calvin showed, can people name them just wondering.
Did he like, care for the homeless, feed the poor, wash the saints feet and do other good deeds? Was he a kind hearted man? I have no idea, and yet people continue to go on and on about him, like hes some super important Christian.

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Lanolin said:
hmm wonder what good fruits Mr Calvin showed, can people name them just wondering.
Did he like, care for the homeless, feed the poor, wash the saints feet and do other good deeds? Was he a kind hearted man? I have no idea, and yet people continue to go on and on about him, like hes some super important Christian.

puzzled.
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He wasn't exactly a social justice warrior, but then again we are gifted differently.

Romans 12:6-8 KJV
[6] Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; [7] Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; [8] Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
 
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the 'elect' are the elect chosen by their Holy Saviour, and yes, they must always live up to His expectations...
 
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Lanolin said:
hmm wonder what good fruits Mr Calvin showed, can people name them just wondering.
Did he like, care for the homeless, feed the poor, wash the saints feet and do other good deeds? Was he a kind hearted man? I have no idea, and yet people continue to go on and on about him, like hes some super important Christian.

puzzled.
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I don't know of anything good that Calvinism does that is not already done by non calvinists . It doesn't DO anything. It doesn't add anything. Its a waste of time and effort. The only thing its doing is confusing people and hindering the gospel .
 
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verb

  1. 1.
    choose (someone) to hold public office or some other position by voting.
    "he was elected as councillor"
  1. opt for or choose to do something.
    "more people elected to work at home"
adjective

  1. (of a person) chosen or singled out.
noun

  1. people who are chosen or singled out.
    "one of the century's elect"


Chosen/elect..... all of God's people are elect/chosen.

Eph 1:3-14

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing gin the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
 
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I don't really understand what the arguement here actually is. However when you see what someone's actions actually produce you know who they are. That is what the scripture is talking about, you a tree by it's fruit. You know a person by what they produce. If they cause divisions, or trouble or stress, or do they produce productivity, unity, or peaceful resolutions.
It does not mean judge folks on their disposition, errors, actions in a moment of weakness. Nor does it mean; as Calvin used it, that they should inspect your homes and interrogate your family and neighbors to make sure you don't say or do anything that disagrees with his mandates.
 
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oldethennew said:
======point?
get REAL and talk the talk...
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Psalm 89:3
I have made a covenant with mine elect, I have sworn unto David my servant:

Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant whom I uphold, mine elect in whom my soul delighteth! I will put my Spirit upon him; he shall bring forth judgment to the nations.
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have called thee by thy name; I surnamed thee, though thou didst not know me;

Isaiah 65:9
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah a possessor of my mountains; and mine elect shall possess it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Isaiah 65:15
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto mine elect; for the Lord Jehovah will slay thee, and will call his servants by another name:

Isaiah 65:22
they shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree shall be the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands

Its who God has Chosen for a purpose ,service ,task ect ..Servant = Jesus.. To be an example to all the nations = ISRAEL
 
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If we were to read Calvins writings we would talk more about Jesus. But we'r lumbered with terminology. I suppose its how we communicate rightly or wrongly.

I would say Calvinism rightly teaches about Jesus... Does that count as not mentioning Calvin?:unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure::ROFL:
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Some People are believing and following the wrong JC .
 
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Yes this is the cause of Lordship salvation in Calvinism. The error of believing security is based on 'election to salvation '. And never truly knowing if you will ultimately ' endure till the end ' . This is where fruit inspecting begins . After all an ' elect ' person must look like an elect person.
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Not one calvinist I have ever met believed what you state here.

although I do not adhere to calvinism and deplore their dual,predestination theology, I am dumbfounded by the people who attack them almost daily yet continually prove they do not have any comprehension of what they believe

to a calvinist, all believers will endure to the end, not based on their enduring, but based on Gods work. I pray some day you come to this knowledge, and move away from your false perception of these brothers and sisters in christ
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
I don't really understand what the arguement here actually is. However when you see what someone's actions actually produce you know who they are. That is what the scripture is talking about, you a tree by it's fruit. You know a person by what they produce. If they cause divisions, or trouble or stress, or do they produce productivity, unity, or peaceful resolutions.
It does not mean judge folks on their disposition, errors, actions in a moment of weakness. Nor does it mean; as Calvin used it, that they should inspect your homes and interrogate your family and neighbors to make sure you don't say or do anything that disagrees with his mandates.
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I know many people who do great things but are lost.
 
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phil36 said:
I'll refer you back to post no.6 which also answers your very question.

As for 'so many famous' Calvinists being in despair on their deathbeds i have no idea. Can you give references from reputable sources for that? (not just hearsay). It means I can check that statement for its validity. thanks.
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Hey brother, the man you are speaking to has been at war with calvinism since he arrived here, sadly he will not hear a word you say
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Not one calvinist I have ever met believed what you state here.

although I do not adhere to calvinism and deplore their dual,predestination theology, I am dumbfounded by the people who attack them almost daily yet continually prove they do not have any comprehension of what they believe

to a calvinist, all believers will endure to the end, not based on their enduring, but based on Gods work. I pray some day you come to this knowledge, and move away from your false perception of these brothers and sisters in christ
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Yes they believe that its God who ' endures them to the end ' But in practise this is not exactly detectable. Do they just lay in bed waiting to be picked up and carried through the day? No they have to endure to the end. You gotta do the work . If you don't, why don't ya . An elect person would.
 
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It doesn't take being a Calvinist to believe this...

Philippians 1:6 (KJV) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
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It’s sad that people claim they have faith, but can not look to this very truth to understand God does not fail, if he does not fail, we can Live with confidence, because now many how many times we fall down, we know Christ will pick us back up, God will not might, continue,
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Not one calvinist I have ever met believed what you state here.

although I do not adhere to calvinism and deplore their dual,predestination theology, I am dumbfounded by the people who attack them almost daily yet continually prove they do not have any comprehension of what they believe

to a calvinist, all believers will endure to the end, not based on their enduring, but based on Gods work. I pray some day you come to this knowledge, and move away from your false perception of these brothers and sisters in christ
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An Arminian usually only sees Calvinism in light of 'dual,predestination theology ' . They don't see the other issues, because they have been influenced by the same overall theology .
 
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Lanolin said:
hmm wonder what good fruits Mr Calvin showed, can people name them just wondering.
Did he like, care for the homeless, feed the poor, wash the saints feet and do other good deeds? Was he a kind hearted man? I have no idea, and yet people continue to go on and on about him, like hes some super important Christian.

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As I look in scripture I see many knuckleheads used bu God, I think of the murderer saul who became paul, the adulterer and murderer david, who took a mans wife, Abraham, who continually took things in his own hands, and through it dishonored his wife and also became an adulterer,

if we are to look at a mans sins as a means to determine if they can be trustworthy we would have to take out much of the Bible

just saying
 
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