Why the law question is so important.
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Maybe some of you should think your view out a bit more. To disagree with my OP is to suggest that Jesus does not save from sin. I know what the problem of humanity is, its sin not the the law.
It is sin that caused the perfect creation to crumble not the law. And thus it is sin that needs to be fixed not the law.
It is sin that caused the perfect creation to crumble not the law. And thus it is sin that needs to be fixed not the law.
3414. [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]νόμος[/FONT] [FONT="Gentium" !important]nomos[/FONT] noun Greek word for law.
Law, rule, principle.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.
For example - the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and of death. Rom. 8:2
Law, rule, principle.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Lambda-Omicron.
For example - the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and of death. Rom. 8:2
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No not pulling you back under the law, don't apply my view to yours. you are not getting what I am saying. maybe ask questions instead of making assumptions.
I have studied Galatians and Romans, Romans very much you assume I have not. But I can speak to any part of those books you would like. How about you demonstrate form context that my so called "proof texts" are not saying what I am saying.
Or are you just going to say I am wrong without any substance to your claim?
I don't mind been shown I am wrong but you have to show it not simply give an opinion.
I have studied Galatians and Romans, Romans very much you assume I have not. But I can speak to any part of those books you would like. How about you demonstrate form context that my so called "proof texts" are not saying what I am saying.
Or are you just going to say I am wrong without any substance to your claim?
I don't mind been shown I am wrong but you have to show it not simply give an opinion.
Yes...it does mean all that.
For it is God who is at work in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure. We can rest in that truth and say "Thank you Father!"
There will be a fight of faith for this so be ready for it....
....stand your ground in resting in what Christ has already done for you. Eph. 6:10-18 - Christ Himself is our armor!It will not lead to passivity - Paul said that he worked more than all the other apostles - not himself - but the grace of God in and with him.
1 Corinthians 15:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.
Resting in Christ is our warfare.
Resting in Christ is our "obedience to the faith".
Resting in Christ is our faith in action.
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If what you are saying here is valid then you have to explicitly put your money where your mouth is!
When you say that believers are subject to the law then you cannot strain and tease out the bits you don't want and this is the problem you end up with:
10 [FONT="]For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [/FONT]point, he is guilty of all. Jas 2:10
When you say that believers are subject to the law then you cannot strain and tease out the bits you don't want and this is the problem you end up with:
10 [FONT="]For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [/FONT]point, he is guilty of all. Jas 2:10
First James is talking about the 10 commandments as is seen contextually:
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
So it would seem that what I have said and what James has said is in line at least as I see it.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
So it would seem that what I have said and what James has said is in line at least as I see it.
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what part of whoever does not obey every word is cursed do you not understand?
Your right, OT is not the command that is the problem, it s he law, the law condemns you unless you were as perfect as Jesus
as james said, break even the smallest of commands your guilty of all
God does not make favorites, the one who tells a little white lie is just as guilty and condemned as the mass murderer, all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory.
we have to stop looking at sin from our perspective and see Gods.
Your right, OT is not the command that is the problem, it s he law, the law condemns you unless you were as perfect as Jesus
as james said, break even the smallest of commands your guilty of all
God does not make favorites, the one who tells a little white lie is just as guilty and condemned as the mass murderer, all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory.
we have to stop looking at sin from our perspective and see Gods.
Your work at the law is what will keep you trapped in sin.
It is YOUR erroneous view of the law that needs to be changed.
Romans 3:20-22
[FONT="]20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;[/FONT]
[FONT="]22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 9:30-32
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[FONT="]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
What is so hard to understand???
The righteousness of God without the law... This is how it happens;
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
But if you continue to work at the law you get none of it. It is all by faith and the law is not of faith.[/FONT]
It is YOUR erroneous view of the law that needs to be changed.
Romans 3:20-22
[FONT="]20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;[/FONT]
[FONT="]22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 9:30-32
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[FONT="]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
What is so hard to understand???
The righteousness of God without the law... This is how it happens;
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
But if you continue to work at the law you get none of it. It is all by faith and the law is not of faith.[/FONT]