Why was “Yeshua” translated to “Jesus”?

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Omegatime

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Yeshua was a very common name in Israel. Our bibles quote Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ. Christ is a title and comes first in the english language, So it should be Christ Jesus or Jesus the Christ. Christ or Messiah means anointed or anointed one. Certainly not his last name as my daughter thought.
 

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I expect different accents also play a part when you speak a different language so that it does not always sound the same as its written according to how you speak.

Of course the name of Jesus will be pronounced differently according to what tongue you have.

Also reading the Bible in a yiddish accent does not make it Hebrew
the same as pronouncing everything in an Irish accent does not make it Gaelic.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Iesous - Greek. Greek form of the hebrew name Joshua, Jehosha,

Translated in the English Jesus
 

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So I understand that Jesus was originally called Yeshua..and I was always a bit confused in general why names change so drastically in different translations? I know that the Hebrew language didn’t have a typical “J” sound..but so what? If that’s how Jesus was called then why wouldn’t he still be called that in a different language?

I’ve also heard that the name change to “Jesus” was part of the Roman Catholic Church’s attempt to paganize Christianity to make it more palatable to their mostly Pagan citizens. The name “Jesus” was supposed to be a derivative of the name “Zues”...meaning Son of Zeus, or From Zeus. You can hear it more clearly in how Spanish speakers pronounce it (Hey-Zeus).

Is there any truth to this? I’d prefer there’d be a different explanation.
Hello SeekerInChrisis,

Hebrew = Yeshua

Greek = Iesous (ee-ay-sooce)

The name Jesus is a transliteration of the Greek name Iesous which is a transliteration of the name Yeshua.

Just fyi, Roman Catholicism did not come into being until 590 CE, So no, Jesus was not a part of the RCC, as it did not yet exist.
 
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the curse of Babylon and a confusing of languages
 

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I think I like Jesus as my Lord and Saviour, it would take some getting used to to call Him Joshua instead

But then people pronounce my name differently too according to what accent or langauge they speak.
I prefer the name Lanolin to woolgrease though.
 
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we can't get to the point of understanding all languages until god refines us
 
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it's not the sounds uttered 4 sure.It's our souls realationship with him
 

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Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 as He was dying on the cross :)
he was fulfilling it 🙂 David was foretelling it. But my point is he spoke in Aramaic . Not Hebrew or Greek

in the ot man had one language but because of their wickedness God confounded and made many languages and scattered them across the earth he did this because man was trying to reach heaven themselves so he made the earth Babel and be confounded by differing languages

but the New Testament he comes and beginning in isreal most likely speaking Hebrew for the most part and Aramaic as he also pole in another place when he raised the dead girl

but the. After that we see that he sends his gospel into all nations who speak all languages that he created in the ot to confound us for trying to reach heaven by our own works , now he’s sent the gospel out to all in many languages into all nations which he scattered offering man the call and gift of the heavenly places in Christ

reconciliation is my point he’s not limited to languages and pronounciations he’s always able to reach the heart for salvstion

we say Jesus , yeshua , Spanish pronounce it “ hey sues” think or the Holy Ghost giving many languages in the beginning God speaks and understands them all
 

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he was fulfilling it 🙂 David was foretelling it. But my point is he spoke in Aramaic . Not Hebrew or Greek
Yes, Psalm 22 has a number of references to the ordeal Jesus faced around His crucifixion, and quoting Psalm 22 was a way of pointing to the fact that He was fulfilling prophesy.
 

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Ali, Eli is My God to the English, El coupled with the suffix, i, is the first person possessive. El is the singular form of Elohim, which may be tranlated as Stron or Mighty Ones.
This term was used to refer to gods . I our language Elohim is a reference to Yahweh, Ruach Chodesh, and Yeshua., or the Father, the Son and dthe Holy Spirit, as demonstrated by Isaiah 9:6.

This demonstrates that God Will Be what He will Be..

As for Yeshua, as mentione previously it is from Yeshi *jesse( meaning My Redeemer, and Yahhweh. Like the overlooked prophecy in the King David translation, Beloved King... ... Melech David. King David of this age was the son of Jesse, Yeshi, or, my Redeemer. There are so many prophecies and reelations in the Word. Praise God, He s worthy, now we.

he sure is worthy of all of our praise and well able to reach the dead sin. And blind . I think of it as his plan it’s he who created the languages to confound wicked man from reaching heaven in the early time and through the gospel he has spoken his word in all those languages to bring us back to him

during the fall of man throughout the ot , they couldn’t communicate well with foreigners having the languages confounded by God to stop them from reaching heaven

“Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭11:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but this was Abraham’s promise after that

“And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so the New Testament is about bringing us back together in one understanding of God

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We see almost immediately an Ethiopian who was traveling from and back to Ethiopia my guess is he probably spoke some Hebrew and Greek but I’d bet his witness in Ethiopia was in another language amongst his countrymen

I think God made all languages and speaks to all so they can understand and sometimes we’re too intellectually seeking things like pronounciations and which proper Hebrew term or which Aramaic term or Greek term but there’s a consistent message in scriptures that can’t be changed by a word here or there because it repeats itself so many times in so many different words and ways

God transcends languages that limit us as does the name of Jesus the Christ
 
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The first part not sure what your saying [olive law-mid]= El the i being the suffix? [410 Strongs number] singular correct
 

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Yes, Psalm 22 has a number of references to the ordeal Jesus faced around His crucifixion, and quoting Psalm 22 was a way of pointing to the fact that He was fulfilling prophesy.
indeed almost every psalm and prophets spoke of Christ Jesus and not only his ordeal on the cross as psalm 22 gives us an intimate understanding of his humanity on the cross so personal that psalm almost puts us up there looking down through his eyes in a way .

but also it witnesses the entire gospel from his birth , his early life , his baptism , his preaching of God word of requirement , the revelation of his name , the truth that he himself is the God of the heavens and earth our creator , ot speaks of his miracles and healings , his betrsyal With a kiss , his preaching unto the Gentiles , his salvation beginning in jerusalem and spreading out to all nations his suffering and death where he would be betrayed and by who , the piercing of his side , the nails driven into his hands and feet , his resurrection , the purpose of his sacrifice for atonement of the world , his disciples are in prophecy , his ascension into heaven to sit at Gods right hand in heaven until his return

all of it is like that in psalm 22 it’s all there in the law and prophets it’s really the story of the ot that the messiah would come and reveal God tonthe earth in plain sight and his word who followed John the Baptist would stand forever the word of our God

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the Lord bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Just like we see the cross in psalm we see the rest also revealed in the nt

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s what the prophets and law were always really saying but they couldn’t hear it until he opened up the revelation of himself tonthe world

“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:18-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there are two ways to see the ot as if that’s the real And final thing God would do , or it was a foretelling of what God was going to do to save the world that fell through the ot I believe Jesus is the word of God from beginning to end and the old foretold and promised and then he came and revealed himself to the earth that lost themselves away from truth
 

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The first part not sure what your saying [olive law-mid]= El the i being the suffix? [410 Strongs number] singular correct

this is a quote from an article I just copied regarding the world at that time
I never look for general consensus but

“The general consensus is that Jesus primarily spoke Aramaic while Hebrew and Greek were also commonly used throughout the Middle East and beyond during that time”
 

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k it was just the part about i being a suffix
No offense intended my only point of being in this thread at all is just this simple point not meant to offend anyone

“ sometimes if we focus to much on the letters and pronounciations and words we can actually have our attention drawn away from the message “

your post was correct , and I’m sorry if it seems I’m butting in I never mean to seem that way sometimes my feet get hot and I run and bump into people I truly apologize to anyone I have done that too including you it’s never been from offense or meant to offend
 

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Christian faith is an international faith...it doesn't just belong to English speakers. In fact Wycliffe got his bones dug up and burned for the translation into English because English is the worst receptor language of all...

But before that time...the "J" was the "Y" sound in most nations...not a soft "g" sound...so it was natural to read the name with the "y" sound.

At one time all those Moslem nations of today were Christian...the St Mark's church in Egypt was actually founded by St. Mark. (Mostly abandoned today because of persecution) One of their practices is to recite the Lord's Prayer in 4 languages...the last one English.

Gotta get out of the states to really appreciate how varied the Christian faith is...where Catholics are massively more normal than the American Catholics are...where Baptists are kinda hard core unforgiving and judgemental haters instead of relaxed pot-lucking "sweet thang" that is common in the South East.

You know...where people risk everything to exhibit their faith.
 
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deep down no one could offend even if they where beating me,they only be desping their own soul not offend i agree to as child doctrine yea sometime i'm into the flowers rather then the [root = Jesus]