Why was a sinless sacrifice necessary?

[soberxp]

Friend, you are now playing semantical and rhetorical games and this is unworthy of you.

No promise of Christ - Who is the Truth - is empty. Time simply isn't a factor here. Christ's sacrifice for sins was decided before the foundation of the world.

God is a Holy Trinity. The Persons of the Godhead have unique roles and they ARE separate Persons; this is how God has chosen to reveal Himself to us.

Everlasting-Grace has a firm grasp on this. God cannot arbitrarily forgive sins without being unjust and tainting His holiness.

I said that the importance of God's direct forgiveness sin is different from that of the birth of Jesus Christ.

The coming of Jesus Christ bring the Great knowledge and wisdom of God. It's not just the purpose of forgiveness sin.

 

[soberxp]

You will have to give me a specific example from Scripture, I'm afraid, if I am to accept this. And it must be absolutely crystal clear.

Here is why I'm being so adamant about this. God is light; in Him is no darkness at all. He CANNOT arbitrarily forgive sins for no reason. That is something an UNJUST JUDGE would do. God WILL NOT, God CANNOT tolerate sin.

That is why the Cross was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for the reconciliation of sinners. It satisfies the justice and righteousness and logic of God while permitting Him to offer forgiveness through Christ.

I suspect no matter what example you give me, any forgiveness of sinners by God is ultimately enacted by faith in Jesus Christ. God's nature demands it.

I agree with your understanding of God's justice and righteousness.

The coming of Jesus bring the Great knowledge and wisdom of God which is justice and righteousness.

If we study to the deep of the meaning, we could find out that To follow Jesus Christ is to be prepared to sacrifice ourself,Patience with suffering as Jesus Christ on the cross,Have the faith like(as) Jesus Christ that he is not afraid of death and is willing to be punished for sinners.This is God's great knowledge and wisdom,Jesus Christ represents these knowledge and wisdom.

If you understand this meaning, you will not feel wronged when face of any suffering in the world.Because Jesus Christ represents God's justice and righteousness.

 

[soberxp]

Remember Job.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I was thinking about this, and I believe the reason He had to be sinless was so He could be raised from the dead.

That is not the reason for Christ to have been sinless. The resurrection proved that Christ destroyed the power of sin, death, Hades, Hell, and Satan on the cross, while He accomplished all that was necessary for our salvation (including the shedding of His blood for our redemption).

Christ was made an offering for sin (Hebrews 10:1-10) . This is the fundamental truth of the Gospel. Therefore the Lamb of God Himself was to be "without spot and without blemish" -- totally and absolutely without sin. This meant that God Himself must become sinless Man (through the miraculous virgin birth), then give His life and shed His blood for the sins of the whole world. And that is exactly what happened. God -- the Son -- was made SIN for us, so that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. So those who deny the deity of Christ really don't understand any of this.

HEBREWS 10: THE ONE AND ONLY PERFECT SACRIFICE FOR SINS
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[Aaron56]

Revelation 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

Christ’s sacrifice for sin was the template through which creation was made. There was His sacrifice and then the creation. This took place in the eternal realm apart from time. To man, it appeared in full when Jesus hung on the cross but the economy of salvation from sin was established in heaven before Adam was created.

This is how Jesus could walk on water, get in a boat and immediately be on the other side, command trees to wither and, yes, forgive sins before His death and resurrection: He was operating out of the eternal economy not bound by the creation. By His actions seen by all men, however, He made a way for all who believe in Him to access the same eternal economy.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

im not sayin anything, I'm SHOWING you what inerrant inspired scripture says

Are you saying Jesus was wrong and couldn't forgive the paralytic mans sins because he didn't bleed something out?

God himself told Moses flour could be used for a sin sacrifice.


Do you disagree with God/Jesus and believe the teachings of men ?

Yes, Jesus died, scripture says so. Why do you pick and choose what parts you want to believe to be true?

I'm just saying Gods word says He can forgive sin without blood.......read it for yourself

I was shocked to when the Spirit revealed this, but yes it's in there.

Jesus came to right the wrong in the garden, to do what Adam didn't do, that was His purpose, and God used this somehow to restore fallen man

But stories of magic blood rituals are pagan all day long

all forgiveness is based on Christs sacrifice the shedding of his blood it was set In Stone from before the creation

“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It was always set that Christ would shed his blood it doesn’t matter that it happened later it’s all based on Gods plan from the beginning for Christ to shed his blood there’s no remission of sin without it. He forgave based on what he understood he was going to do it didn’t have to happen first God said it from the start

“And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. ……but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:22-23, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ was always going to shed his blood for remission of sin that’s why he is able to forgive people he alone can do that

“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26

see how he’s teaching that before he died and actually shed his blood ? It’s always been based on what he would do for us shedding his lifeblood even the people forgiven in the ot like David , was based on Christ shedding his blood

“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Jesus shedding his blood was always , it was manifest on earth during the gospel but it always was from before the crearion and is the basis for all forgiveness of sin past present and future his sacrifice is eternal it existed before he came to earth and exists still

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I can't seem to nail down a really good answer to this. I know this is what God required, but why did He require it?

Share your ideas.

GOD IS ALMIGHTY and could have asked man to only repent and you will be saved but GOD loves righteousness and man could not be righteous In his own strength If GOD had allowed sin to go unpunished that wouldn't be righteous.
Hebrews 1:9
King James Version

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You have been deceived by letting other men tell you what the Bible says



Blood is not REQUIRED for God to forgive sin......if you believe the Bible



One of the most obvious examples found here

Matthew 9:2, 6

Then behold, they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.”



But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”



Here's another



Luke 7

48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”





When God handed down the law from Mt Sinai, He told them that here



Exodus 5:11

‘But if he is not able to bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons, then he who sinned shall bring for his offering one-tenth of an ephah of fine flour as a sin offering. He shall put no oil on it, nor shall he put frankincense on it, for it isa sin offering



Now don't be fooled, some here will have the gall to tell you that God CANNOT forgive sins without shedding blood, even though He is God and even though the Bible refutes this

I know what you mean with GOD being almighty but men are carnal and come short of the glory of GOD so then blood WOULD have to be shed for man to be saved.Charlie explained In post#3

 

[JohnDB]

I can't seem to nail down a really good answer to this. I know this is what God required, but why did He require it?

Share your ideas.

Because sin is insidious.
We commit the sins but the innocent pay for our sins.

So a sinless, perfect animal is sacrificed to atone...it pays the price for your sins.

Then there's the whole covenant that Abraham made with God...the one where he split the animals in half.

This is the creation of a blood covenant between two parties...(anthropology of that time period)
The person who walks the bloody path created by the blood of these animals has the duty of performance of this oath.
Thats why Abraham was in dread when God walked the blood path... because if the covenant was to end, God would die. (Like Jesus did)

Part of the LAW was the sacrificial system where it wasn't "pay to play".

The blood of the sacrifice was to remind God of his promises to Abraham and please do not forget because of their poor behavior.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

I can't seem to nail down a really good answer to this. I know this is what God required, but why did He require it?

Share your ideas.

God made the Rules and knew the End from the Beginning and how everything would play out before He ever made Adam. Personally, the life of Christ, His teachings, preaching, example was a guideline for how we should act, teach, preach, and be. But there is a question that everyone faces, Does God really love His Creation? Does an All Knowing, All Present, All Powerful God really care and love for what many view Creation as His experiment? Wrapping yourself in flesh and being Crucified to the point of physically Dying and being Buried answered that question.

Yes, there are other Reasons for His Death to conquer Death + His Resurrection for our own Resurrection + Fulfilling the Law + the New Covenant.

But for me, His coming and Dying represents ultimate Love.

And my understanding of God, tells me He could have Saved us a numerous type of ways, but He chose to do it how we read it.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

As far as the "Sinless" portion of this discussion, could a representation of GOD, claiming to be God [I AM], have sin and be shown to commit sin?
Never!