Why Works Will Be Judged by God

[Enow]

You cite the verse but your understanding of the verse is incorrect. Has nothing to do with the marriage supper.

What do you suppose you will do with the gold, silver and precious stones? Gold is paving material in heaven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]10 [/SUP]According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Galatians :[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

To become castaways for unrepentant iniquity into the bed of the great tribulation is why God is judging His House by excommunication.

Works will be judged to determine whether each of us can be accepted to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor.

1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Just as the church is to excommunicate unrepentant believers to lead them to repentance, so will God do at the pre trib rapture event.

1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Feel free to explain those verses away in why God will not judge His House first in that way.

1 Peter 4:[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? [SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? [SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

 

[Enow]

1. Those who are in Christ are complete (Col 2:10) and perfect forever (He 10:14). If Jesus said He would not judge even the lost (Jn 12:47), why would He judge those He has redeemed and are now reckoned perfect?

If a saved believer sows to the work of the flesh and reap corruption, is he still perfect?

1. Peter said “Christ died for sins once for all” (1 Pet 3:18). If my sins have been removed and God is now “done with sin” (1 Pet 4:1), then what is left to punish?

Does that mean you can never sin again? That you have no need to ask Jesus for forgiveness even though you are still His and thus still saved?

1. Finally, if the punishment that brought us peace was placed on Christ (Is 53:5), how can God now punish us? Would He not be unjust if He punished twice for the same offence?

He can never be punished twice because that foundation has been laid and can never be removed, but what we build on that foundation, we will be judged as to whether or not we be received as a vessel unto honor in His House by His grace & by His help of looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin in running that race or judged as unrepentant workers of iniquity to become castaways in left behind to be received later on as vessel unto dishonor in His House.

That is why He is not being punished twice when those left behind are still in His House as that foundation can never be removed just as the seal of the Holy Spirit can never depart, but our physical body can die for defiling the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 4:[SUP]30 [/SUP]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? [SUP]20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's

1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]10 [/SUP]According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.


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[/SUP][/SUB]There is a race to run but it is by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd as we live that reconcile relationship by the grace of God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is not about the judgement of believers! There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.Ro 8:1....This is about the parable of the talents...

Quite right. And since joaniemarie has swallowed the teaching of Joseph Prince, she is now unable to distinguish between judgment on those who "obey not the Gospel" and the judgment of the works and lives of those who did obey the Gospel. The Parable of the Talents and of the Steward are there to teach believers that after they are saved they must do good works, and all their works will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (not the Great White Throne Judgment).

 

[Enow]

This is not about the judgement of believers! There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.Ro 8:1.

Do read the whole verse, brother.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit......[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.....[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

So if any one defiles the temple of God with the works of the flesh ( wood, stubble, and hay) and do note that heresy is also a work of the flesh , if they do not look to the author & finisher of their faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin to depart from iniquity, then how can they be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor?

That is what makes a saint, a vessel unto dishonor when they become castaways for being workers of iniquity.

Quite right. And since joaniemarie has swallowed the teaching of Joseph Prince, she is now unable to distinguish between judgment on those who "obey not the Gospel" and the judgment of the works and lives of those who did obey the Gospel. The Parable of the Talents and of the Steward are there to teach believers that after they are saved they must do good works, and all their works will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (not the Great White Throne Judgment).

Wow. An awful lot of believers to pray for in these latter days, but as it is, brother MarcR was not quite right because saved but yet unrepentant believers living after the flesh will receive condemnation as even those saints of the church at Thyatira that do not repent, will be cast into the bed of the great tribulation and thus judged according to their works.

Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

 

[MarcR]

Do read the whole verse, brother.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit......[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.....[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

So if any one defiles the temple of God with the works of the flesh ( wood, stubble, and hay) and do note that heresy is also a work of the flesh , if they do not look to the author & finisher of their faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin to depart from iniquity, then how can they be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor?

That is what makes a saint, a vessel unto dishonor when they become castaways for being workers of iniquity.



Wow. An awful lot of believers to pray for in these latter days, but as it is, brother MarcR was not quite right because saved but yet unrepentant believers living after the flesh will receive condemnation as even those saints of the church at Thyatira that do not repent, will be cast into the bed of the great tribulation and thus judged according to their works.

Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

My question here is: Are unrepentant sinners Saved believers.

 

[Enow]

My question here is: Are unrepentant sinners Saved believers.

An unrepentant unbeliever is not saved.

They become saved the moment they repent by believing in Him.

However, there is a race to be run also by the grace of God and by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in trusting Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin so that we may abide in Him and that our joy may be full while in this valley of death.

But not every saved believer has been taught to be applying that faith in Him to help them to discern & to depart from iniquity.

So there will be unrepentant saved believers living in the flesh; purposefully or ignorantly for nt being rooted in the word.

Yea. there will even be former believers that have erred from the truth and had their faith overthrown ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 ), but even though that iniquity denies Him ( Titus 1:15-16 ) and thus they will be denied (2 Timothy 2:12 ) at the pre trib rapture event ( Matthew 7:21-23 ), He is faithful because He still abides in that "former" believer ( 2 Timothy 2:13 ).

So remember that the only repentance that a sinner is saved by... is from unbelief by believing in Him. The rest is running the race by faith in Jesus Christ as we can only lay aside every weight & sin when Jesus Christ is in us to empower us to live as His.

John 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[graceNpeace]

The status one may have in heaven will almost certainly NOT be a retread of one's social status on earth!

 

[Jackson123]

Works are not for salvation, but what we build on that foundation, God will judge. If we sow to the works of the flesh, we shall reap corruption and God is not mocked since He did say the wages of sins is death; physical death is coming as those saved believers that have not departed from iniquity by His grace & by His help, will be disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper & become castaways into the great tribulation as in left behind to receive later as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]10 [/SUP]According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Galatians :[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

If we mortify the deeds of the body by the Spirit & sow to the fruits of the Spirit by trusting Jesus Christ to finish what He has started in us, we are running that race by faith in Jesus Christ for it is by the grace of God He is helping us to lay aside every weight & sin so we can be received by Him as vessels unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event.

Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:... [SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, [SUP]2 [/SUP]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. [SUP]26 [/SUP]I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: [SUP]27 [/SUP]But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

2 Corinthians 5: [SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So that is why the call is given out to even former believers to repent for He still abides in them so that they too may obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus which is to be received by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House, because the loss of rewards of crowns is not the only dire consequence for not running that race by faith in Him; becoming a castaway and thus damned to become a vessel unto dishonor in His House is.

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: [SUP]12 [/SUP]If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: [SUP]13 [/SUP]If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself...........[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. [SUP]21 [/SUP]If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

We can entrust the souls of those unrepentant saints left behind to Jesus Christ in keeping their souls while they suffer the fire coming on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

1 Peter 4:[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? [SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? [SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

John 6:[SUP]39 [/SUP]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Make no mistake; we need to hope in Jesus Christ in helping us to abide in Him as well as being willing to leave this life to go when the Bridegroom comes because we can only live this reconciled relationship with God by faith in Jesus Christ which in running that race is also by grace of God.
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there is a work that determine salvation It is work base oN agape love, If a man not produce that work not save

There is a mistake that lead you to hell, It is not work base oN agape love. If you love God you must show It by love the poor, or you go to hell

matt 25

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Joidevivre]

How could I possibly take any credit or reward for any good works that I do, or by loving others, when I totally believe it is the Holy Spirit moving through me? His works and His fruit. I do not even intend to do some of the good things - my only intent is to remain in an intimacy with Jesus. Out of that comes the works that the Holy Spirit does through me. Even I'm surprised sometimes.

My goal has never been the "works", it is living in the presence of Jesus and delighting in Him. It does bear fruit. Comes from abiding in the vine.

Yes, if ever I am given a crown or reward for any good works that I have done, I would cast it at his feet. Only He would get the glory!

 

[Jackson123]

How could I possibly take any credit or reward for any good works that I do, or by loving others, when I totally believe it is the Holy Spirit moving through me? His works and His fruit. I do not even intend to do some of the good things - my only intent is to remain in an intimacy with Jesus. Out of that comes the works that the Holy Spirit does through me. Even I'm surprised sometimes.

My goal has never been the "works", it is living in the presence of Jesus and delighting in Him. It does bear fruit. Comes from abiding in the vine.

Yes, if ever I am given a crown or reward for any good works that I have done, I would cast it at his feet. Only He would get the glory!

the credit belong to Holy spirit, but Jesus command us to abide to the vine, and we have to obey.

just obey not deserve to take credit, but If we not obey in this command, we Will not bear fruit and go to hell.

 

[OneFaith]

"Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him AND keep his commandments." Deuteronomy 7:9

 

[Enow]

there is a work that determine salvation It is work base oN agape love, If a man not produce that work not save

There is a mistake that lead you to hell, It is not work base oN agape love. If you love God you must show It by love the poor, or you go to hell

matt 25

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

You do take that reference to blot out all the verses in the N.T. on how we are saved by simply believing in Him, even those who just believe in His name in coming to Him.

John 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 6:[SUP]39 [/SUP]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So how are we to apply your reference?

Have you ever considered that is a reference to the white throne judgment when all the dead are judged?

Look for the key verses...

Matthew 25:[SUP]31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: [SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ....[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. [SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

So this is a reference on how the rest of the dead will be judged at the white throne judgment by how they treated Christians and even former believers in the world as they would be considered as the least of the brethren, still having His seal since they had at one time believed in Him before they had erred and had their faith overthrown. For further study, read 2 Timothy 4:10-26 at this link;

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+2:10-26&version=KJV

 

[Enow]

How could I possibly take any credit or reward for any good works that I do, or by loving others, when I totally believe it is the Holy Spirit moving through me? His works and His fruit. I do not even intend to do some of the good things - my only intent is to remain in an intimacy with Jesus. Out of that comes the works that the Holy Spirit does through me. Even I'm surprised sometimes.

My goal has never been the "works", it is living in the presence of Jesus and delighting in Him. It does bear fruit. Comes from abiding in the vine.

Yes, if ever I am given a crown or reward for any good works that I have done, I would cast it at his feet. Only He would get the glory!

FYI I believe the Holy Spirit will give credit & glory to that work in us and through us to Jesus Christ.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:....[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Ephesians 2:[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Enow]

the credit belong to Holy spirit, but Jesus command us to abide to the vine, and we have to obey.

just obey not deserve to take credit, but If we not obey in this command, we Will not bear fruit and go to hell.

FYI I believe the Holy Spirit will give credit & glory to that work in us and through us to Jesus Christ.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:....[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Ephesians 2:[SUP]8[/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Enow]

"Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him AND keep his commandments." Deuteronomy 7:9

Matthew 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Ephesians 2:[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:....[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

2 Timothy 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[IamWhoIam]

I like the thread Enow, in my view speaking on forgiveness that is not of a work yet if people don't forgive others they will not be forgiven. this may seem alittle harsh on the surface but the truth and reality of forgiveness is that it is true freedom from having dislike or hatred in the heart. one hatred to one person in somebody's life at any age can feaster into a person being grumpy real quick.

 

[Enow]

I like the thread Enow, in my view speaking on forgiveness that is not of a work yet if people don't forgive others they will not be forgiven. this may seem alittle harsh on the surface but the truth and reality of forgiveness is that it is true freedom from having dislike or hatred in the heart. one hatred to one person in somebody's life at any age can feaster into a person being grumpy real quick.

I agree and even I need His help to forgive others especially when they are not asking for forgiveness and hardly seem like they are ever going to repent.

But I do want to point out the necessity to forgive because that brother or sister may repent at the last moment and be there at the Marriage Supper table for which there can be no resentment in me or any one towards me for having resentment when He is the reason why and how we are there. If He forgave them of all their sins, then I have to since He forgave me of all of mine.

Plus, we would be made perfect now and so there is no reason to be resentful when that kind of person you were angry with is no longer that person but perfected in Christ to be sitting at the Marriage Supper table.

Otherwise, I would be at risk of being left behind for not forgiving someone .. who may even be an unbeliever that got saved right before the rapture, because the devil, the accuser of our brethren will be kicked out of Heaven so that we can celebrate. And so I could kick out if I was still thinking like the devil in seeking condemnation of certain individuals of wrongs I have suffered.

So that is why I acknowledge my need of Him to help me forgive others as He has forgiven me. He does set the example while hanging on the cross.

1 Peter 2:[SUP]19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: [SUP]22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: [SUP]23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: [SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Romans 8:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Since love, longsuffering, patience, peace are all fruits of the Spirit I need from Him to forgive those who are not asking for forgiveness, then I hope in Him to help me to forgive and that is also something I shall thank Him for in Heaven too.

 

[Jackson123]

FYI I believe the Holy Spirit will give credit & glory to that work in us and through us to Jesus Christ.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:....[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Ephesians 2:[SUP]8[/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

seem to me the credit is belong to God not us. Say Bill Gate invite every body to his house and promise to give a car to those WHO willing to come. and I am coming. Than I Get a hundred thousand dollar mercedes, can I boast that I earn that expensive car?

no, I obey and He give me a car. The credit is belong to him, not me.

 

[Enow]

seem to me the credit is belong to God not us. Say Bill Gate invite every body to his house and promise to give a car to those WHO willing to come. and I am coming. Than I Get a hundred thousand dollar mercedes, can I boast that I earn that expensive car?

no, I obey and He give me a car. The credit is belong to him, not me.

Well... when Jesus says to me that any one that comes to Him and believe in Him has eternal life, then my obedience is my believing in Him. And yes, I will give Him all the credit and glory because the Father has to reveal His Son to me so I can believe in Him. So even my believing in Him is a work of God of Whom I have given thanks to the Father in Jesus's name.

Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.