Will a specific person known as THE antichrist set up a one world religion?

[Bookends]

NOt splitting hairs here, but, Satan does not even have the power of deception over us, IF we believe in Christ, there is NO power in Satan over us. Now, yes, God can allow Him to work on us, and, hurt us (but not more than we can bear ) , but IF we are with Christ we can choose NOT to be deceived, for Scripture 1 Cor. 2 is clear, we 'have the minds of Christ.' Someone with the 'mind of Christ,' has the ability to feign ALL of Satan's attacks.
So, even though Satan is 'the father of lies,' and, he does deceive Christ's own, it is because their human response IS to give in to the deception and NOT be allowing the Lord to lead his/her life. The Lord leads, Rickshafe And, it is excellent to say that we should NOT say Satan is powerless, we should instead say that God has ALL power over Satan, just as JOhn 4:4 ? says, "Greater is He who is in me than he (Satan) who is in the world."
Satan CAN only touch us IF we put our trust in his power for our life, otherwise, Satan can't do anything to us as we are UNDER Christ's wing, in His sheltering wings


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Post #28 is good, enlightening for some, I 'm sure. There will be a lawless one, who will bring on doom. WHO is this person? That is ALL I got at the moment, but, I like what cookieprincess says, she's a monster, imho, when it comes to speaking The Word. I think, as enlighteningU said, from Thessalonians 2 ? , that The Lawless One IS real, and, someone is going to be in control of the horrible happenings, the beast, or ??/ I don't know. But, the Lawless One is NOT here yet but the time will come when he is here, and, Rickbuddyshafe, I don't think that Lucifer is 'the Lawless One,' I think it's a man, who will rise to great power. Could be a president or another person of great power, like a teleevangelist. I don't mean to speculate toooo miuch but that 2 Thess. verse of 'the Lawless One' speaks of someone yet to come who is going bring doom and destruction, which has NOT happened yet. God is not the author of confusion and when he says there will be a LAWLESS ONE, this is a TITLE of someone, so, EXPECT someone who practices lawlessness and also is a powerful presence in the world, NOT just the USA will follow this guy. And, 'doom and destruction' will come too and that is very difficult to say has happened yet. I say 'no,' it's going to be war, like maybe...

...psalms speaks symbollically in its Scripture of a FIRST war coming, like Damascus going to be destroyed (80,000 people) by someone , like by Syria , or, some say, Israel will do that?. Or, maybe those suni and shiiites of Islam will destroy each other now and trigger something else. I am speculating, but the Psalm referring to Damascus is not speculation, nor, exaggeration. The START will be Damascus of the doom and destruction , I don't know. , Anyway, and, then, Iran will enter, and, then China, Japan, and everyone else will be in the third war, which would be a world war so USA will be involved too. This would constitute 'doom and destruction' to me, because billions will die. There are 9 billion on the planet now, go figure

Heya Greenie, Mind explaining Matt. 24:24 to me?

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.

Although I believe Matt. 24 deals entirely with the 1st Century Christians and Jesus is describing the signs of the times and what His chosen will go through, leading up to 70AD and the destruction of Jerusalem and temple, these men and women who heeded this message where Christian nevertheless. So in your mind, do Jesus mean when he says "if possible, even the elect" maybe deceived?

 

[Bookends]

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Seems to me the beast, false prophet and the devil are not the same person although they are in one accord (and I don't mean the Honda).

Interesting passage isn't it, but it looks like to me that the devil is thrown into hell, after the beast and the false prophet. The beast and false prophet already seem to be in hell, and then in the end of time the devil (Satan) is thrown in with them. Read carefully.

 

[nathan3]

I posted a lot of scriptures about this here in a new Thread and tried to help explain it :


Link > http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/65921-who-does-christ-say-anti-christ.html

 

[cookie39]

from Slice of Laodicea:

The 2008 Honorary Chairman of the National Day of Prayer, Dr. Ravi Zacharias, is refusing to pray in the name of Jesus Christ in his prayer posted on the official NDP website. Dr. Zacharias’ prayer can be read here [page not found]. A receptionist with the National Day of Prayer in Colorado Springs stated that the Honorary Chairman’s prayer does not include the name of Jesus so as not to offend.....

The video does not promote Zacharias, be denounce him as a true christian.... it is not Zacharias who is speaking in this video, but it is totally against him and many other religious people who claim to be of God. just watch the video it is a very anointed and powerful child of God who exposes all the fake and false so called christian leaders.... I can't get offended by your statement, because it is not what you thought it was... May God Bless you...

 

[4enlightment]

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Seems to me the beast, false prophet and the devil are not the same person although they are in one accord (and I don't mean the Honda).

Her description of hell goes what it says in Danel 12:2 about hell.


[video=youtube_share;JA9iPZtmTNQ]http://youtu.be/JA9iPZtmTNQ[/video]

 

[4enlightment]

Her description of hell goes what it says in Danel 12:2 about hell.


[video=youtube_share;JA9iPZtmTNQ]http://youtu.be/JA9iPZtmTNQ[/video]

Our perception of the spiritual realm is not what we think it is; we are limited and as for the spirits is unlimited.

 

[GreenNnice]

Heya Greenie, Mind explaining Matt. 24:24 to me?

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.

Although I believe Matt. 24 deals entirely with the 1st Century Christians and Jesus is describing the signs of the times and what His chosen will go through, leading up to 70AD and the destruction of Jerusalem and temple, these men and women who heeded this message where Christian nevertheless. So in your mind, do Jesus mean when he says "if possible, even the elect" maybe deceived?

There are two types of 'elect' in Scripture, books:

1) is those who ELECT to choose Jesus as their Saviour when He presents Himself to them.

2) is those who are elected officials in the church, deacons, pastors, or, other 'high' leadership in the church, who's influence on the masses of the congregation is great, as in 'great is the Lord' great
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Not talking about 'The Christ' being looked for. We are talking about the AntiChrist being seen and, definitely, people are loooking for that 'lawless one' now. I don't see Him yet, just like, I don't see anywhere in past historical biblical history or modern ages A.D. where the beast and the false prophet have ALREADY been thrown in the pit.
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On another note, I can't believe that you guys are so legalist about Ravi Zacharias, 'in the name of Jesus,' yes, we are to pray 'in the name of Jesus,' and, Ravi ZAcharias may not be saying that word for word out of Scripture so though does that make His heart not FOR JESUS??? No. Ravi Zacharias believes in Jesus Christ as his Saviour and Lord and preaches it in his messages on the radio, tv, etc. I am certain. There is some reason why Ravi Zacharias is not going to say 'in the name of Jesus' to conclude his prayer and that reason is NOT for us to judge. Again, YOU guys just judge sooooo quickly , so much so that you are endangering your own relationship on Earth with Jesus, I think. I'm not going to judge those that degrade Billy Graham's nearly lifelong ministry (Billy accepted Christ at age 14 after sneaking in to a North Carolina church service--he and a buddy watched from the rafters ) and Joyce Meyers' work and many others that God is using to bring others to Christ. What? Are you going to go OUT there on faith and spend your MILLIONS of dollars to set up a ministry and start to PREACH your perfect doctrine, reforming all these denominations that YOU think are not right??

Ugh!! You are so legalist !!! Leave Zacharias alone. Uphold and raise up those of our Christian leaders GOD HAS APPOINTED, like Dr. Zacharias' the National Day of Prayer . God will bless you for it ! And, not, hmm, I'm not going to say the word, but bringing on legalist technicalities to men and women SERVING God and HAVE Jesus in their heart is a legal understanding of Christ and His work . Just pray 'in the name of Jesus' yourself every time you pray IF it makes you feel better, but it is NOT a salvific issue and, furthermore, is Zacharias saying 'WHY' he is not praying THE WOPDS 'in the name of Jesus' in his prayer ??? Again, it doesn't matter, but for YOUR own sakes' get the facts before you start figuratively cursing and demeaning and judging and even condemning those God's using as vessels in His work

 

[Michael50]

Matthew 24:22-24:
"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elects sake those days will be shortened. Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise up and show great signs and wonders to decieve, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it."

Satan is going to appear as a man somewhere on the earth. Satan is not permitted to come in the same manner as Jesus does. Jesus will come with the clouds, and every eye shall see Him. Satan will appear and he will claim to be Jesus. He will speak great words or peace. He will work miracles in front of people. Nearly all will claim that Christ has come.

Jesus warns us about this Liar who is coming with all sorts of lying wonders and miracles that he has power to do. Jesus knows that the miracles that Satan performs will be astounding and remarkable and it will be highly likely that those who watch Satan do these things will be taken in by his deceptions. We are not even to go out and see for ourselves!!!

When Jesus comes, we will meet Him in the air! There will be no doubt in anybodys mind when Jesus shows up! Nobody will have to tell you Jesus is here!.. There will be a terrible earthquake that precedes the Coming of Jesus! So bad an earthquake that no earthquake has ever been as bad as the one that occurs as Jesus and His Holy angels are approaching the earth.

 

[Elizabeth619]

A lil tidbit of info here.

The new world order conspiracy was actually conjured up by Jehovahs Witness'. Yep! Tis true! They're the starters if that rumor.

So...... When y'all start believing the one world religion/NWO/revelation stuff you may want to do a little research on WHERE these ideas came from.

 

[1still_waters]

I see references to a man of sin, and a beast, and little horn.
But no references to an actual person called THE antichrist who will set up a one world religion.

 

[GreenNnice]

atthew 24:22-24:
"And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elects sake those days will be shortened. Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise up and show great signs and wonders to decieve, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it."

And, Ravi Zacharias, is of 'the elect,' so by saying Ravi is not of Jesus, blah, blah, blah, lies, YOU are, in essence, judging God's elect.

Hey, you and me, who are NOT in 'high' leadership position, which is pastors or deacons of church, and, yes, I KNOW some on here ARE pastors, and, that's great as YOU are 'high' leadership in your church, you ARE an elected official of your church, right? So, YOU are the ones that 'the beast and false prophet' will be trying to deceive and your FAITH And BELIEF in Christ is MORE than some's BECAUSE your measure is more because God's given you MORE measure. So, YOUR commitment to Christ is ALL the more important because YOU are looked highly upon by sooo many in YOUR church. So, IF you give in to Satan's demons (yes, the beast and false prophets are DEMONS, otherworldly demons that will INTERACT in this dimension per God's allowance of such events, just like Satan, who will be THROWN into a pit for a 1000 years, doesn't Revelation tell us, but will then be ALLOWED out by God for a VERY short time as he rises to power and does what I can only word as 'abominations of desolation' without sounding too controversial ;P Then, God will THROW Satan into the Lake of Fire where the false prophet and beast already were thrown per Revelation 19:21 .

The beast will have the number: 666 . We have NOT seen that number yet on Earth. But, we will, and, we are NOT to worship the man with that number who will be a 'beast.' I can't imagine the beast ruling under the dragon's (Satan's) authority being a literal beast, that's too marvel comics for me. But, the beast WILL be super in power and will wage war against Christians.

THERE WILL BE blood. Do not worship the beast, do not take his 'number,' you will die, surely, it won't make sense to do this either, but, YOU will live And, that living will really be living, HALELUJAH ! Streets of gold And, most importantly, you will be with Father, Son, Holy Ghost forevemore Green, I get the three smiley faces, but what about the 4th? Who is that? You.

 

[Bookends]

There are two types of 'elect' in Scripture, books:

1) is those who ELECT to choose Jesus as their Saviour when He presents Himself to them.

2) is those who are elected officials in the church, deacons, pastors, or, other 'high' leadership in the church, who's influence on the masses of the congregation is great, as in 'great is the Lord' great
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Not talking about 'The Christ' being looked for. We are talking about the AntiChrist being seen and, definitely, people are loooking for that 'lawless one' now. I don't see Him yet, just like, I don't see anywhere in past historical biblical history or modern ages A.D. where the beast and the false prophet have ALREADY been thrown in the pit.
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On another note, I can't believe that you guys are so legalist about Ravi Zacharias, 'in the name of Jesus,' yes, we are to pray 'in the name of Jesus,' and, Ravi ZAcharias may not be saying that word for word out of Scripture so though does that make His heart not FOR JESUS??? No. Ravi Zacharias believes in Jesus Christ as his Saviour and Lord and preaches it in his messages on the radio, tv, etc. I am certain. There is some reason why Ravi Zacharias is not going to say 'in the name of Jesus' to conclude his prayer and that reason is NOT for us to judge. Again, YOU guys just judge sooooo quickly , so much so that you are endangering your own relationship on Earth with Jesus, I think. I'm not going to judge those that degrade Billy Graham's nearly lifelong ministry (Billy accepted Christ at age 14 after sneaking in to a North Carolina church service--he and a buddy watched from the rafters ) and Joyce Meyers' work and many others that God is using to bring others to Christ. What? Are you going to go OUT there on faith and spend your MILLIONS of dollars to set up a ministry and start to PREACH your perfect doctrine, reforming all these denominations that YOU think are not right??

Ugh!! You are so legalist !!! Leave Zacharias alone. Uphold and raise up those of our Christian leaders GOD HAS APPOINTED, like Dr. Zacharias' the National Day of Prayer . God will bless you for it ! And, not, hmm, I'm not going to say the word, but bringing on legalist technicalities to men and women SERVING God and HAVE Jesus in their heart is a legal understanding of Christ and His work . Just pray 'in the name of Jesus' yourself every time you pray IF it makes you feel better, but it is NOT a salvific issue and, furthermore, is Zacharias saying 'WHY' he is not praying THE WOPDS 'in the name of Jesus' in his prayer ??? Again, it doesn't matter, but for YOUR own sakes' get the facts before you start figuratively cursing and demeaning and judging and even condemning those God's using as vessels in His work

Very good job of not answering my specific question and diverting it to who the elect is and this Dr. Zach who I know very little about. haha...

Perhaps you can't see the lawlessness one because you actually never lived in the biblical context (times) in which he was written about. It's so odd how so many Christians want to interpret the bible in a 21st century mind set.

Now will you please answer my question or just tell me you don't know or don't want to answer it. "So in your mind, what does Jesus mean when he says "if possible, even the elect" maybe deceived?"

 

[4enlightment]

A lil tidbit of info here.

The new world order conspiracy was actually conjured up by Jehovahs Witness'. Yep! Tis true! They're the starters if that rumor.

So...... When y'all start believing the one world religion/NWO/revelation stuff you may want to do a little research on WHERE these ideas came from.

I guess all of these rumors will have trigger something that has been prophecied that must come to past.

Matthew 24:7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

[h=3]2 Thessalonians 2[/h]for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Matthew 24:6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

 

[4enlightment]

Very good job of not answering my specific question and diverting it to who the elect is and this Dr. Zach who I know very little about. haha...

Perhaps you can't see the lawlessness one because you actually never lived in the biblical context (times) in which he was written about. It's so odd how so many Christians want to interpret the bible in a 21st century mind set.

Now will you please answer my question or just tell me you don't know or don't want to answer it. "So in your mind, what does Jesus mean when he says "if possible, even the elect" maybe deceived?"

God is with the elect andso which means that God isn't going to let the elect to be deceive, for God will never abandon them; andso they will always know the truth.

 

[GreenNnice]

Very good job of not answering my specific question and diverting it to who the elect is and this Dr. Zach who I know very little about. haha...

Perhaps you can't see the lawlessness one because you actually never lived in the biblical context (times) in which he was written about. It's so odd how so many Christians want to interpret the bible in a 21st century mind set.

Now will you please answer my question or just tell me you don't know or don't want to answer it. "So in your mind, what does Jesus mean when he says "if possible, even the elect" maybe deceived?"

I did answer it, books. the beast and false prophets will try to deceive EVERYONE, but, the elected officials of churches--pastors, deacons, etc. of 'high' leadership--will be more likely able to fend off the attacks because their measure of faith is more. There is Scripture, too, not sure exactly what, but by becoming a pastor or deacon or elder or even teacher, I guess, like here, maybe, even , your faith will be compounded and made more So........ Sorry, if that doesn't sound like I'm answering your question the first time, but, I am. And, if I got it wrong, go ahead and let me know what you mean by the letters you've put in blue, books



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Huh? Who WAS the 'lawless one,' then , if he has already come ? What great king of biblical times meets the criteria of the 'lawless one' described in Thessalonians ?

Personally, I don't need to see the word 'antichrist' to see that there is a coming person who will be highly antiChrist and the things of Revelation?? Hmm, silly, I think, to think that those events of utter disastrous proportions, like spoken of in Revelation 13-14, of those that will see the beast will see his number, which is '666.' Plus, the beast, who has GREAT power, will be UNDER authority of the dragon, who is 'Satan,; who has, of course, GREATER power.

Thank God, you kNOW who has the GREATEST power and who wins in the end, books

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Also, when I say in my other post that the beast and false prophet will wage war against 'the Christians,' I am speaking of those who have NOT yet been taken by Christ, who will come down from the sky per 1 Thessalonians 4
:17

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1

which is PRIOR to the 'lawless one' of 2 Thessalonians' reign on Earth beginning, of this 'revealing,' as Scripture words it, or, another word would be 'revelation.'

7For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

I believe, since Christ says 'none should perish' that when there is all kinds of chaotic evil going on after The Rapture, Christ's signs of Revelation will be the MAIN sign for those still who have NOT accepted Him and those who BECOME Christians as He shows Himself to them willl LIVE when it comes their time to WORSHIP the beast and TAKE the number of the beast.

 

[4enlightment]

I did answer it, books. the beast and false prophets will try to deceive EVERYONE, but, the elected officials of churches--pastors, deacons, etc. of 'high' leadership--will be more likely able to fend off the attacks because their measure of faith is more.


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[video=youtube_share;b7Ta74EJAz8]http://youtu.be/b7Ta74EJAz8[/video]

 

[GreenNnice]

Now will you please answer my question or just tell me you don't know or don't want to answer it. "So in your mind, what does Jesus mean when he says "if possible, even the elect" maybe deceived?"

God is with the elect andso which means that God isn't going to let the elect to be deceive, for God will never abandon them; andso they will always know the truth.

'The elect' in the context of this verse is not God's chosen ones who have elected Him as their Lord and Saviour.

'The elect ' in the context of this verse is those who are pastors, deacons, 'high' leadership position.

In this verse, TWO different definitions of 'elect' are given, one reference of 'the elect' (1st mention) is for the ones having elected Christ as Saviour. And, one reference of 'the elect' (2nd mention) is of 'the elect' referring to the 'high' leadership of any given church

If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive (Christians), if possible, even the elect(leadership in church: these are the elders, deacons, pastors).

Also , the false prophets and beasts won't need to deceive the non-Christians. Why deceive them? They already are DECEIVED into believing the beast and false prophets' false blasphemous, deny-Christ (antiChrist) ways, so, the first part of the verse in Matt. 24:24 speaks of the Christians being deceived, and, the second part, refers to the elected leaders of a church, be it pastor, elder, deacon, etc., those whose faith, Scripture tells us, is even more so than others, because Scripture says so To be a PASTOR is a great blessing of 'faith,' YOUR measure will be increased by becoming a pastor, I don't have the Scripture in front of me but if someone wants me to find it, I will

This verse speaks of God's elect, who have chosen Him, not the officials and leaders' elect.

“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[SUP]c[/SUP] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[SUP]d[/SUP] 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[4enlightment]

'The elect' in the context of this verse is not God's chosen ones who have elected Him as their Lord and Saviour.

'The elect ' in the context of this verse is those who are pastors, deacons, 'high' leadership position.

In this verse, TWO different definitions of 'elect' are given, one reference of 'the elect' (1st mention) is for the ones having elected Christ as Saviour. And, one reference of 'the elect' (2nd mention) is of 'the elect' referring to the 'high' leadership of any given church



Also , the false prophets and beasts won't need to deceive the non-Christians. Why deceive them? They already are DECEIVED into believing the beast and false prophets' false blasphemous, deny-Christ (antiChrist) ways, so, the first part of the verse in Matt. 24:24 speaks of the Christians being deceived, and, the second part, refers to the elected leaders of a church, be it pastor, elder, deacon, etc., those whose faith, Scripture tells us, is even more so than others, because Scripture says so To be a PASTOR is a great blessing of 'faith,' YOUR measure will be increased by becoming a pastor, I don't have the Scripture in front of me but if someone wants me to find it, I will

This verse speaks of God's elect, who have chosen Him, not the officials and leaders' elect.

The elect are the ones that is the ones that didn't abandoned His Word. But the ones that you are referring as the Elect, were elected by men, not God.

1 Samuel 16:7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Jeremiah 1
4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

6 “Alas, Sovereign Lord,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am too young.”
7 But the Lord said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am too young.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. 8 Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you,” declares the Lord.

 

[GreenNnice]

The elect are the ones that is the ones that didn't abandoned His Word. But the ones that you are referring as the Elect, were elected by men, not God.

1 Samuel 16:7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Jeremiah 1
4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying,
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

6 “Alas, Sovereign Lord,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am too young.”
7 But the Lord said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am too young.’ You must go to everyone I send you to and say whatever I command you. 8 Do not be afraid of them, for I am with you and will rescue you,” declares the Lord.

That's correct. 'Elect' has two different meanings in Matthew 24 , one is God's elect, those He's chosen who have (obviously) chosen Him, committed their life to Him. and, two is those that man appointed themselves' elect, but that honor and that grace of being put in a position of leadership by pastor, a position that takes a lot of faith, some would agree, would they not , most will, I'm being facetious, a pastor is right up THERE with doctor and firefighter as one of the toughest jobs in the world, I believe, you have soo many gunning for you in a good way, and, even so, bad. The reason why? Satan is REALLY attacking God's elected officials, but God's elected officials are, typically, going to be VERY strong in the faith, more so than the ones that they are teaching the faith in their church. Hisenlightened

 

[Bookends]

I did answer it, books. the beast and false prophets will try to deceive EVERYONE, but, the elected officials of churches--pastors, deacons, etc. of 'high' leadership--will be more likely able to fend off the attacks because their measure of faith is more. There is Scripture, too, not sure exactly what, but by becoming a pastor or deacon or elder or even teacher, I guess, like here, maybe, even , your faith will be compounded and made more So........ Sorry, if that doesn't sound like I'm answering your question the first time, but, I am. And, if I got it wrong, go ahead and let me know what you mean by the letters you've put in blue, books



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Huh? Who WAS the 'lawless one,' then , if he has already come ? What great king of biblical times meets the criteria of the 'lawless one' described in Thessalonians ?

Personally, I don't need to see the word 'antichrist' to see that there is a coming person who will be highly antiChrist and the things of Revelation?? Hmm, silly, I think, to think that those events of utter disastrous proportions, like spoken of in Revelation 13-14, of those that will see the beast will see his number, which is '666.' Plus, the beast, who has GREAT power, will be UNDER authority of the dragon, who is 'Satan,; who has, of course, GREATER power.

Thank God, you kNOW who has the GREATEST power and who wins in the end, books

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Also, when I say in my other post that the beast and false prophet will wage war against 'the Christians,' I am speaking of those who have NOT yet been taken by Christ, who will come down from the sky per 1 Thessalonians 4
:17 which is PRIOR to the 'lawless one' of 2 Thessalonians' reign on Earth beginning, of this 'revealing,' as Scripture words it, or, another word would be 'revelation.'


I believe, since Christ says 'none should perish' that when there is all kinds of chaotic evil going on after The Rapture, Christ's signs of Revelation will be the MAIN sign for those still who have NOT accepted Him and those who BECOME Christians as He shows Himself to them willl LIVE when it comes their time to WORSHIP the beast and TAKE the number of the beast.

well, before you said anyone in Christ can't be deceived, but here you say "mostly like won't be deceived" and you're only referring the those in God's administrative offices. What about those who aren't preachers, teachers, elders etc. etc.?