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Ok,wait,are you taking a position there were no unclean creatures in the sheet?
No All manner of beasts were in the sheet. However God did not say do not call what I have cleansed unclean or do not call what I have cleansed common or unclean. He said call not what I have cleansed common.
 
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No All manner of beasts were in the sheet. However God did not say do not call what I have cleansed unclean or do not call what I have cleansed common or unclean. He said call not what I have cleansed common.
You are saying God cleansed what in the sheet?
Not the unclean?
What did he cleanse?
 

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Paul says he can take the unclean to eat if it is sanctified through prayer
Was paul wrong?
Good so you see what Acts 10 is saying and that it is not referring to Unclean animals now being fit for food.
So now we are going to 1 Tim. Let's back up to verse 3. and get some context Two things are mentioned forbidding to marry and abstaining from meats. Obviously these mandates are not from the Word of God but are man made directives from seducing spirits.

1Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Do you think the clause, Which God had created to be received is relevant? I DO.

And what meat did God create to be received?

Something else too. What is meat? Animals? Food?
 
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Your assuming more than that is there my friend.
Peter mentions common and unclean animals. He made a distinction between the two.The unclean animals were what made the clean animals common, impure. They were interacting. Rubbing elbows and such.

God only mentions cleansing the common. NO mention of the unclean by God whatsoever.

Then Peter's interpretation had nothing to do with the animals that he seen only people.

These are three facts that can be gleaned from these verses.
So God cleansed the Christian's that rubbed shoulders with the unclean gentiles.
God cleansed the christians?
The clean animals are now clean?
 

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Good so you see what Acts 10 is saying and that it is not referring to Unclean animals now being fit for food.
So now we are going to 1 Tim. Let's back up to verse 3. and get some context Two things are mentioned forbidding to marry and abstaining from meats. Obviously these mandates are not from the Word of God but are man made directives from seducing spirits.

1Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Do you think the clause, Which God had created to be received is relevant? I DO.

And what meat did God create to be received?

Something else too. What is meat? Animals? Food?
You failed to include the next verses in that passage.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
 

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Huh?
The clean are now clean?
No the common animals are now clean just like God said.
Acts 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
He did not mention cleansing the unclean animals only the common.

Two different types of animals in the sheet Common and unclean. We know God cleansed the common because in verse 15 he said he cleansed the common. No mention of the unclean animals therefore they are still unclean.
 
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Vs 8
But I said, Not so, Lord: for
nothing common or unclean
hath at any time entered into
my mouth.

Peter was under obligation not to eat "common or unclean" as he spoke in that verse.
So your ASSUMPTION that common equals clean is incorrect
 
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What are perceiving common foods that need cleansing to be?
 

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You failed to include the next verses in that passage.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Verse 4 is being said in context to verse 3
1Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

SO YOU Do not think the clause, Which God had created to be received is relevant? I DO.

What meat did God create to be received? He did not create the unclean animals to be receive that is for sure.

Something else too. What is meat? Animals? Food?
 
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Your focus in on God not okaying unclean foods.

My focus is on the unclean gentiles now cleansed by the work of the cross.

So overworking the analogy to fit some dietary restrictions is a wedge in actually recieving what the whole sheet thingy is about.

The MESSAGE is clear.
The unclean have been cleansed.
 
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Oh I get it.
You are saying "what God has cleansed 4000 yrs ago call not clean"
Huh?
 

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Verse 4 is being said in context to verse 3
1Tim 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

SO YOU Do not think the clause, Which God had created to be received is relevant? I DO.

What meat did God create to be received? He did not create the unclean animals to be receive that is for sure.

Something else too. What is meat? Animals? Food?
Unclean animals under the law were forbidden. After the spiritual circumcision of the inner man, nothing is unclean for it has no effect on our soul.

Does the phrase “every creature” mean anything to you?

Meat is the meal that may or may not contain actual animal meat.
 

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Unclean animals under the law were forbidden. After the spiritual circumcision of the inner man, nothing is unclean for it has no effect on our soul.

Does the phrase “every creature” mean anything to you?

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When understood in context with God have created to be received
 

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Nice box....
But then most believe nobody is always right and we sin. So now what. No true Christians?
Huh? If fire hydrants are yellow, therefore McDonalds. Abracadabra?