Will the mark alone send a person to eternal damnation?

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oyster67

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Paul is basically saying the church age never ends, therefore the dispensational claim of it ending then the "plan" with "Israel" takes over contradicts Eph 3:21.
1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
 
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Paul is basically saying the church age never ends, therefore the dispensational claim of it ending then the "plan" with "Israel" takes over contradicts Eph 3:21.
Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
 
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Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The words. . .until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Where does that leave the unconverted Jew?

When will fulness of the the unconverted Jew come?

The mark is the mark of the word. God says mark my word what I say will come to pass .His word is law. The mark of Cain 666 the restless wanderer (no sabbath rest in the work )
 
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1 Corinthians 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
(1 Cor 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.)

(1 Cor 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.)

(1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.)

Paul is talking about the resurrection to eternal life at death, he's not looking for an earthly millennial kingdom.
 
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Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The fullness of the Gentiles came in in the 1st century AD - Paul's commission was to the Gentiles.

(Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.)

(2 Tim 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith)

All Israel was saved back in the 1st century - when Paul says "all' Israel he is speaking of the full compliment of the remnant of Israel.

(Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved)

Paul is not saying ALL Israel would be saved otherwise he would be contradicting himself in the same letter.
 

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(1 Cor 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.)

(1 Cor 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.)

(1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.)

Paul is talking about the resurrection to eternal life at death, he's not looking for an earthly millennial kingdom.
Paul and I will meet up at the time of the Rapture. We will enjoy the wedding festivities and then enter into the Millennium together. Hope to see you there, my friend.:)
 

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Paul is basically saying the church age never ends, therefore the dispensational claim of it ending then the "plan" with "Israel" takes over contradicts Eph 3:21.
Nice eye, Great point! Thanks for sharing.

What if the mark of the beast is already here? Satan deceives the whole world and yet, so many believers are so confident to dismiss that Satan is deceiving the whole in regards to the mark of the beast.
 
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Nice eye, Great point! Thanks for sharing.

What if the mark of the beast is already here? Satan deceives the whole world and yet, so many believers are so confident to dismiss that Satan is deceiving the whole in regards to the mark of the beast.
The mark is here called the letter of the law "death" . Mark my word if you eat of the tree you will surely die death will come to pass. Cain became a restless no rest (sabbath) from being yoked with Christ as his brother Abel the first martyr was.

Below we have the devil trying to bargain with the integrity of God's word .His word is not not subject to change by the creature.

The punishment of hell a living sufferings.

And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. Genesis 4 .
 
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The fullness of the Gentiles came in in the 1st century AD - Paul's commission was to the Gentiles.

(Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.)

(2 Tim 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith)

All Israel was saved back in the 1st century - when Paul says "all' Israel he is speaking of the full compliment of the remnant of Israel.

(Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved)

Paul is not saying ALL Israel would be saved otherwise he would be contradicting himself in the same letter.
Do you see the Lion and the wolf laying down with the lamb in peace now, with a child playing with serpents? Isaiah 11:8
 
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Lets look as Isaiah:

(Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots)
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(Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.)

(Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.)

Paul is quoting directly from Isaiah, the remnant was being gathered and the Gentiles were trusting in him.

(Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.)

Isaiah's prophecy came true in Paul's day, that's why he quoted Isaiah.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Have you considered this way of counting?

Father, Son and Holy Spirit is 777
Father (7), Son (7) and Holy Spirit (7)

Father is the Holy Father who sits on the Throne in Heaven. He is 7.

father, the holy father who sits on the throne in the Vatican. He is 6.
The mark of the beast is the "Sign of the Cross"

In the name of the Father (6), and of the Son (6) , and of the Holy Spirit (6).

In the name of the Father, who sits on the throne in Vatican. He is 6.
and of the Son, Touching your heart in the name of the "Scared Heart of Jesus Apparition" which is the replacement for the true Jesus Christ. He is 6.
and of the Holy Spirit. Which is the Holy Mother of God, which is the the Holy Apparition of God and the replacement for the Holy Spirit of God. She is 6.

Together you have 666

holy father Pope Innocent III (1198–1216) explained: "The sign of the cross is made with three fingers, because the signing is done together with the invocation of the [unholy] Trinity. ... This is how it is done: from above to below, and from the right to the left, because Christ descended from the heavens to the earth..."

Therefore the sign of the cross is the instruction of the holy father who sits on the throne of the Papacy. This is the Mark of the Beast and is 666.
 
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That is one way to escape the literal interpretation and convince yourself that your own view must be the correct one.
Prophetic events are often spoken of with verbose expressive hyperbole - as an example:

(Isa 30:26 The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the LORD binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted.)

If the sun shone seven times brighter that would be the end of life on the planet - this type of language (including "Lion and the wolf laying down with the lamb") is not meant to be understood literally.
 

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The mark of the beast is the "Sign of the Cross"

In the name of the Father (6), and of the Son (6) , and of the Holy Spirit (6).

In the name of the Father, who sits on the throne in Vatican. He is 6.
and of the Son, Touching your heart in the name of the "Scared Heart of Jesus Apparition" which is the replacement for the true Jesus Christ. He is 6.
and of the Holy Spirit. Which is the Holy Mother of God, which is the the Holy Apparition of God and the replacement for the Holy Spirit of God. She is 6.

Together you have 666

holy father Pope Innocent III (1198–1216) explained: "The sign of the cross is made with three fingers, because the signing is done together with the invocation of the [unholy] Trinity. ... This is how it is done: from above to below, and from the right to the left, because Christ descended from the heavens to the earth..."

Therefore the sign of the cross is the instruction of the holy father who sits on the throne of the Papacy. This is the Mark of the Beast and is 666.
How many people here has ever received the sign of the cross? Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass?
The Priest or "father" who is a minion of the Pope issues the sign of the cross to all in attendance at the benediction of the mass.
 

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Prophetic events are often spoken of with verbose expressive hyperbole - as an example:

(Isa 30:26 The light of the moon will be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven days, on the day the LORD binds up the fracture of His people and heals the bruise He has inflicted.)

If the sun shone seven times brighter that would be the end of life on the planet - this type of language (including "Lion and the wolf laying down with the lamb") is not meant to be understood literally.
You don't believe when Jesus is finally ruling the earth from Jerusalem during the millenium, the lion willl literally lay down with the lamb?

Isn't it easier to believe that, than to spirtualize such prophecies?
 

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How many people here has ever received the sign of the cross? Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass?
The Priest or "father" who is a minion of the Pope issues the sign of the cross to all in attendance at the benediction of the mass.

Rev 13:16
" to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads"

Am I the only one that sees this ?????
 

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Rev 13:16 " to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads"

Am I the only one that sees this ?????
Rev13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

The bishop hat has two horns like a lamb. Is this all just a sick coincidence?
 

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You don't believe when Jesus is finally ruling the earth from Jerusalem during the millenium, the lion willl literally lay down with the lamb?

Isn't it easier to believe that, than to spirtualize such prophecies?
No.