Will There Be A Third Temple Built In Jerusalem, (Blessed By God)?

[Truth7t7]

Yes that is what the book of Hebrews is directed to, urging Israel not to go back to animal sacrifices when that temple is rebuilt.

That is why I always smile when I read Christians insisting on putting themselves in the audience that book is written to, when the book is called “Hebrews” 🤗

Your claim is false, Hebrews has no instruction whatsoever in a rebuilt temple, none

 

[Guojing]

Your claim is false, Hebrews has no instruction whatsoever in a rebuilt temple, none

You do agree that the author is urging them not to go back to animal sacrifices correct?

 

[Truth7t7]

The entire book of Ezekiel proves that you are TOTALLY OFF BASE in this matter. So rather than spread disinformation (like the MSM are doing) you would be better off to say nothing.

That's what MSM actually does, if you dont agree with them,then you better sit down and shut up, your a prime example

P.S. you will closely note,you gave no scriptural argument,because there isnt one

 

[Truth7t7]

You do agree that the author is urging them not to go back to animal sacrifices correct?

Absolutely I do, the book of Hebrews is dedicated to the finished work on Calvary, and how animal sacrifice for sin has been abolished.

Hebrews 7:26-27KJV
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

 

[Guojing]

Absolutely I do, the book of Hebrews is dedicated to the finished work on Calvary, and how animal sacrifice for sin has been abolished.

Hebrews 7:26-27KJV
26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Have you considered there might be a very special reason why the book of Hebrews, even though it was written very early, was placed by the Holy Spirit immediately after the final book written by Paul to the body of Christ, Philemon?

 

[Scribe]

John and Ezekiel were explaining the very same temple, you will closely note the temple was being measured, (Not Built) in both accounts.

You will closely note the event of both John and Ezekiel was in the (Spiritual) and not the physical

You will closely note in Ezekiel 47:12 below this represent the (Eternal House Of The Lord, In The Eternal Kingdom) the River & Tree of Life are present, eternal fruit not consumed, leaves for healing/medicine, exactly the same place as Revelation 22:1-2 below

You will also note (Dispensationalism) falsely teaches that the house of the Lord in Ezekiel 47:1-12 is a Temple to be built by mortal man upon this earth?

(Don't Be Deceived)

Revelation 11:1-2KJV
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Ezekiel 47:1-12KJV
1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Maybe. But since John is directed to Zech to interpret it might also mean that of a future literal rebuilding. Since we have many prophecies that people tried to spiritualize (and the Jews still do this with prophecies about Jesus first coming) and yet these prophesies turned out to be literal, we are not being deceived if we expect certain prophecies to be fulfilled in similar ways that such prophesies have been fulfilled in the past.
It is more likely, based on history that the one who over spiritualizes these prophesies is deceived as those who have done the same in the past were, and still are, (example virgin birth of Christ).

So I believe we should give grace to our brothers who interpret it as symbolic of a theological concept and also give grace to our brothers who think it will follow the pattern of previous prophesies and have a literal fulfilment. Let us not call either one deceived, or false teachers, or heretics, since we really do see through a glass darkly on these types of scriptures and we will be glad we were humble and tolerant in the future if we find out that we misinterpreted. No sin in misinterpreting such prophesies but it would be a sin to have been calling everyone else deceived and false teachers.

You might be right.. or close to right. Or I might be closer to the interpretation intended. However it pans out, I won't be guilty of calling people deceived if I am wrong.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Yes that is what the book of Hebrews is directed to, urging Israel not to go back to animal sacrifices when that temple is rebuilt.

That is why I always smile when I read Christians insisting on putting themselves in the audience that book is written to, when the book is called “Hebrews” 🤗

It seems you have a strange sense of humor.
Maybe you should wipe that smile off your face and read Hebrews yourself. Though addressed to the Jews the entire theme of the book is the superiority of Christ and Christianity. Out with the old covenant, in with the new.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Have you considered there might be a very special reason why the book of Hebrews, even though it was written very early, was placed by the Holy Spirit immediately after the final book written by Paul to the body of Christ, Philemon?

No, but I"ll bet you have some esoteric knowledge on just about everything.

 

[Truth7t7]

Let us not call either one deceived, or false teachers, or heretics,

You will closely note I stated (Dont Be Deceived By Dispensationalism)

Your suggest that I personally called you deceived, this is (Fake News) trying to build a (False Narrative) to silence the opposition.

Its my opinion that the teachings of John N. Darby's dispensationalism, are false and deceptive, just as Preterism, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, are false deceptive teachings, I will continue to expose these false teachings.

Quote Truth7t7: You will also note (Dispensationalism) falsely teaches that the house of the Lord in Ezekiel 47:1-12 is a Temple to be built by mortal man upon this earth?

(Don't Be Deceived)

 

[Guojing]

No, but I"ll bet you have some esoteric knowledge on just about everything.

No, I am just asking both of you to consider the possibility of a special reason for the order of the books in the NT.

Anyone is free to disagree with it after that consideration, chill out.

 

[Guojing]

So I believe we should give grace to our brothers who interpret it as symbolic of a theological concept and also give grace to our brothers who think it will follow the pattern of previous prophesies and have a literal fulfilment. Let us not call either one deceived, or false teachers, or heretics, since we really do see through a glass darkly on these types of scriptures and we will be glad we were humble and tolerant in the future if we find out that we misinterpreted. No sin in misinterpreting such prophesies but it would be a sin to have been calling everyone else deceived and false teachers.

You might be right.. or close to right. Or I might be closer to the interpretation intended. However it pans out, I won't be guilty of calling people deceived if I am wrong.

I agree, I find that so many people here take it so personally when you disagree with their doctrine and present an alternative interpretation.

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree, I find that so many people here take it so personally when you disagree with their doctrine and present an alternative interpretation.

I dont take it personal, it's my opinion that dispensationalism, preterism, Catholicism, mormonism,Jehovahs Witness, present false and deceptive teachings, just to mention a few.

It's not a personal attack to state the foundation is false and deceptive

Mormonism is false and deceptive

Dispensationalism is false and deceptive

Catholocism is false and deceptive

Preterism is false and deceptive

 

[Guojing]

I dont take it personal, it's my opinion that dispensationalism, preterism, Catholicism, mormonism,Jehovahs Witness, present false and deceptive teachings, just to mention a few.

It's not a personal attack to state the foundation is false and deceptive

Mormonism is false and deceptive

Dispensationalism is false and deceptive

Catholocism is false and deceptive

Preterism is false and deceptive

We are always, by definition, the protagonist, in the mental movie playing in our heads, while those who are against our beliefs are, by definition, the antagonists.

Its the same for you, just like for everyone else.

Like what Scribe said, as Paul explained in 1 Corinthians 13

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

So be open to other people's view because it could also be true that yours is wrong too. We will set a better example to non Christians out there this way.

 

[Scribe]

You will closely note I stated (Dont Be Deceived By Dispensationalism)

Your claim that I called you personally deceived is (Fake News) trying to build a (False Nareative) to silence the opposition.

Its much opinion that the teachings of John N. Darby's dispensationalism, is false and deceptive, just as preterism, Mormonism, Jehovahs Witnesses, etc are false deceptive teachings, I will continue to expose these false teachings

You posted "
You will also note (Dispensationalism) falsely teaches that the house of the Lord in Ezekiel 47:1-12 is a Temple to be built by mortal man upon this earth?

(Don't Be Deceived)"

Your post insinuated that interpreting Ezek 47 temple as a future rebuilt temple on the earth would mean someone is (possibly a dispensationalist) and deceived if they did.

So if you are saying that those who believe that it will be a literal temple built on earth (which I am open to) are deceived, then why call it a false narrative to say that you said that. I did not saying that you should not call ME deceived (and therefore by you stating that makes you guilty of false narrative) I was saying that you should not call any brother who holds to a literal fulfilment deceived.

Now that your accusation of Fake News and False narrative has been properly handled we can move on.

I am leaning toward a literal fulfilment of Rev 11. But I am still learning. When it comes to these kinds of scriptures (mystery prophesies) it is ok not to commit to one view or the other but to remain teachable until one has more to go on.

I don't know enough about dispensationalism but I have read some things here and there and I don't think I would qualify as one. I have some very old charts that are interesting but I am not on board with all of it, the divisions seem arbitrary and unprovable.

Claiming that anyone who interprets Ezek 47 or Rev 11 as literal is a follower of Darby and Dispensationalism cannot be applied to writers and authors of commentaries who wrote hundreds of years before Darby or 20th century Dispensationalism.

So therefore your crusade to "Expose" those who believe in a literal interpretation of Ezek 47 and Rev 11 as being automatically followers of Darby and Dispensationalism and false teachers is misguided since such literal interpretation of Ezek 47 and Rev 11 out dates both.

You have taken up a crusade to Expose your brothers for their interpretation of Eschatology? You have placed them in the same camp as a cult that thinks Jesus is not Divine? You think someone who finds Darbys views of eschatology to be the same as someone who believes Satan and Jesus were brothers? And yet you don't think you are deceived? No red flags go off in your heart when you think ill of your dispensational brother and consider him equal with Mormons?

It is a false crusade that you are claiming as your duty. God did not call you to Expose anyone who finds the futurist pretribulation pre millennial view a more natural a hermeneutic than other views they have considered.
If they are sincerely seeking truth and loving Christ with their whole heart, walking in holiness and the fear of the Lord, desiring to please God and not be deceived, studying their bible night and day and that is the interpretation that they are most comfortable with then you have to love them and still fellowship with them let God sort it out.

God did not send you on any crusade to expose Darby or dispensationalism, or to accuse those who interpret eschatology in this way as being false teachers along with Mormons, and JW.

You took up that false crusade on your own and if you keep it up in the end you are going to find out that it was all wood, hay and stubble.

 

[Scribe]

No, I am just asking both of you to consider the possibility of a special reason for the order of the books in the NT.

Anyone is free to disagree with it after that consideration, chill out.

Since it was not known if Paul wrote it it was placed between Pauls epistles and the general epistles.
But the order is not divinely inspired. Unless you want to put divine inspiration on folks like Augustine, and I hope you don't.
The chapters and verse numbers are not inspired either, they came about in the middle ages for convivence. I think it was about the 11th century.
There were different orders of New Testament books in different canonical lists in church history. Check out F.F. Bruce book on Canonization of the Bible.
I suppose is it alright to have a personal view that God was behind how the current order exists in most bibles but it is not something you can argue for with any authoritative support from scriptures. And you would be on dangerous ground if you attributed the same level of inspiration on men like Augustine (who had something to do with it) as you would for Paul.

 

[Truth7t7]

You posted "
You will also note (Dispensationalism) falsely teaches that the house of the Lord in Ezekiel 47:1-12 is a Temple to be built by mortal man upon this earth?

(Don't Be Deceived)"

Your post insinuated that interpreting Ezek 47 temple as a future rebuilt temple on the earth would mean someone is (possibly a dispensationalist) and deceived if they did.

So if you are saying that those who believe that it will be a literal temple built on earth (which I am open to) are deceived, then why call it a false narrative to say that you said that. I did not saying that you should not call ME deceived (and therefore by you stating that makes you guilty of false narrative) I was saying that you should not call any brother who holds to a literal fulfilment deceived.

Now that your accusation of Fake News and False narrative has been properly handled we can move on.

I am leaning toward a literal fulfilment of Rev 11. But I am still learning. When it comes to these kinds of scriptures (mystery prophesies) it is ok not to commit to one view or the other but to remain teachable until one has more to go on.

I don't know enough about dispensationalism but I have read some things here and there and I don't think I would qualify as one. I have some very old charts that are interesting but I am not on board with all of it, the divisions seem arbitrary and unprovable.

Claiming that anyone who interprets Ezek 47 or Rev 11 as literal is a follower of Darby and Dispensationalism cannot be applied to writers and authors of commentaries who wrote hundreds of years before Darby or 20th century Dispensationalism.

So therefore your crusade to "Expose" those who believe in a literal interpretation of Ezek 47 and Rev 11 as being automatically followers of Darby and Dispensationalism and false teachers is misguided since such literal interpretation of Ezek 47 and Rev 11 out dates both.

You have taken up a crusade to Expose your brothers for their interpretation of Eschatology? You have placed them in the same camp as a cult that thinks Jesus is not Divine? You think someone who finds Darbys views of eschatology to be the same as someone who believes Satan and Jesus were brothers? And yet you don't think you are deceived? No red flags go off in your heart when you think ill of your dispensational brother and consider him equal with Mormons?

It is a false crusade that you are claiming as your duty. God did not call you to Expose anyone who finds the futurist pretribulation pre millennial view a more natural a hermeneutic than other views they have considered.
If they are sincerely seeking truth and loving Christ with their whole heart, walking in holiness and the fear of the Lord, desiring to please God and not be deceived, studying their bible night and day and that is the interpretation that they are most comfortable with then you have to love them and still fellowship with them let God sort it out.

God did not send you on any crusade to expose Darby or dispensationalism, or to accuse those who interpret eschatology in this way as being false teachers along with Mormons, and JW.

You took up that false crusade on your own and if you keep it up in the end you are going to find out that it was all wood, hay and stubble.

You dont have a clue on what God has called me to, as you falsely claim you do, in a direct personal attack.

Dispensationalism is a false teaching from the pit of hell, teaching that Jesus Christ will return to earth and take a physical throne of David in Jerusalem, amongst mortal living humans.

This evil teaching is preparing the unaware for the future Antichrist who will be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God on earth.

Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon Earth, Beware!

(Don't Be Deceived)

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2 Timothy 4:3-4KJV
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Ephesians 4:14KJV
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

 

[Scribe]

You dont have a clue on what God has called me to, as you falsely claim you do, in a direct personal attack.

Dispensationalism is a false teaching from the pit of hell, teaching that Jesus Christ will return to earth and take a physical throne of David in Jerusalem, amongst mortal living humans.

This evil teaching is preparing the unaware for the future Antichrist who will be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God on earth.

Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon Earth, Beware!

(Don't Be Deceived)

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2 Timothy 4:3-4KJV
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Ephesians 4:14KJV
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

wood, hay, stubble

 

[Guojing]

Since it was not known if Paul wrote it it was placed between Pauls epistles and the general epistles.
But the order is not divinely inspired. Unless you want to put divine inspiration on folks like Augustine, and I hope you don't.
The chapters and verse numbers are not inspired either, they came about in the middle ages for convivence. I think it was about the 11th century.
There were different orders of New Testament books in different canonical lists in church history. Check out F.F. Bruce book on Canonization of the Bible.
I suppose is it alright to have a personal view that God was behind how the current order exists in most bibles but it is not something you can argue for with any authoritative support from scriptures. And you would be on dangerous ground if you attributed the same level of inspiration on men like Augustine (who had something to do with it) as you would for Paul.

If you study Paul's letters carefully, you will realized he often used 3 time periods to denote how the Body of Christ, comprising of both believing Jews and Gentiles, are to view the books of the NT.

I like to use Ephesians 2 KJV as an illustration of all 3 time periods.

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

These are

1. Time past (Matthew to Acts)
2. But now (Romans to Philemon)
3. The ages to come (Hebrews to Philemon)

I see the order of the books as significant to how one should study the Bible.

In time past, God sent Jesus to the lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 15:24, Romans 15:8), but as Matthew to Acts goes, the nation rejected him, and hence cast into blindness and am now an enemy to God.

But now, Romans is the first book that has doctrine to the Body of Christ, and is appropriately titled since Rome was the huge Gentile power during the time of Jesus. It is no coincidence that Paul, which also the Roman name of Saul, explained in Romans how, thru the fall of the nation Israel, salvation has now come to us gentiles (Romans 11:11)

Philemon marked the last book that has doctrine written to us, and some of us believe that the Body of Christ will be raptured into heaven before the Tribulation begins.

After we are gone from this earth, God will return to deal with the nation Israel once again in the ages to come. What I am saying here is that it is again no coincidence that the very first book after Philemon is also appropriately titled "Hebrews", which denote the Israelites, and how that book, together with James, Peter and John epistles, are all directed to the nation Israel once again.

All these books are to urge the nation Israel to endure the Tribulation to the end, before receiving their salvation when Jesus comes back for the nation in his 2nd coming, as Peter prophesied in Acts 3:19-21 and 1 Peter 4.

 

[Scribe]

You dont have a clue on what God has called me to, as you falsely claim you do, in a direct personal attack.

Dispensationalism is a false teaching from the pit of hell, teaching that Jesus Christ will return to earth and take a physical throne of David in Jerusalem, amongst mortal living humans.

This evil teaching is preparing the unaware for the future Antichrist who will be revealed in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God on earth.

Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Place Upon Earth, Beware!

(Don't Be Deceived)

Go Not Forth, Believe It Not!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2 Timothy 4:3-4KJV
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Ephesians 4:14KJV
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

I am convinced from scripture that the 1000 year reign will be literal. When Jesus comes back everyone will know it and it will be like the lightening in the east that lights up even the west, there will be no need for someone to tell you where to find him.

I won't call you a teacher from the pit of hell for saying that you do not believe it will be literal. I understand the reasons why someone would interpret it differently. I have seen the case for both.

But you did a good job of giving Darby so much credit, now I want to read what he wrote. Anyone who could get your goad so good must be worth a read.

 

[Truth7t7]

When Jesus comes back everyone will know it and it will be like the lightening in the east that lights up even the west, there will be no need for someone to tell you where to find him.

Do you believe as dispensationalism teaches, Jesus Christ will take a literal throne of David, amongst living humans on this earth?