Within the veil Part 3

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AnandaHya said:
ok so you are not infallible. sometimes express your personal opinions on this forums so not all your words are directly from Jesus.

So what does it mean to you to be a prophet?

what is the meaning of the office of prophets?

you mentioned the laying on of hands by elders and the pastor, but I thought you stated you didn't attend church, could you clarify Do you attend church?
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You know what, that is not the purpose of this thread. Do you understand? This thread is not about me. You and Zone have made it so, and this is wrong.

If you have troubles with me, then judge in your own heart, and ignore me. It is not for you to attack my worthiness every time I post a teaching. If you disagree with my teaching, then do so, but if you disagree about me, then take issue with me in a thread about that.
 
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VW if you were a prophet you would refute zone for calling you a chosen vessel, speaking as Yeshua himself. As I see NO objections to this i have to make the assumption that her words were right and that this is truly how you see yourself. That is VERY scary and VERY near to what the pope classifies himself as.
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now we indeed have an example of one having "heard" the Spirit, Laddie - you.

and discerning precisely - just as He would have you do, and just as it is promised He Will and does do.

the Pope, the EO and the NAR all make the same heretical claims - APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY...which means infallibility.

even the POPE doesn't speak VERBATIM as though he were JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, and EO keeps their claim buried in rituals and 'oral traditions' (like The Pharisees).

the NAR (which is directly tied to the emergent movement, and came out of The Third Wave) is the most dangerous group in Christendom today...if their antics weren't believed and chased after, it would be funny. its anything BUT.
 
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Forgive me for my lack of knowing what the EO and NAR are?? :/
 
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I used to be guilty of gross sin. I called my self a christian, and lived in horrible sin. Without any accountability to the Holy Spirit and His convictions. And I taught others to do the same.

You do not know what price I have paid for that, nor what price I must yet pay.

Oh, you think that there is no price yet to be paid.

How foolish. Do you not know that God is light, and that in Him there is no darkness at all? When we are finally received into His bosom, there will not be any darkness in us either.

but there is darkness in us now, oh yeah, much darkness.

You would be better serving yourself to find the light and get the darkness exposed.
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what BLASPHEMY.

 
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Forgive me for my lack of knowing what the EO and NAR are?? :/
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Apostolic succession refers to the Christian practice of appointing bishops in lineages of uninterrupted lines that trace back to the original twelve apostles. The transmission of apostolic succession occurs during episcopal consecrations (the ordination of bishops) by the "laying on of hands" from previously consecrated bishops. Generally, all pre-Protestant Reformation churches including the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox claim apostolic succession. The churches of the Anglican Communion also claim apostolic succession.

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New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)

Articles on C. Peter Wagner's "New Apostolic Reformation" as well as false spiritual warfare teachings. This page includes the "successful apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers" named on the Wagner Leadership Institute's site as those with "proven effectiveness in ministry, communications skills and a recognized anointing for the impartation of ministry skills".


Beware of these "Latter Rain" advocates who would lay another foundation than the one already laid in Jesus Christ and the Apostles and Prophets of Scripture!

Go directly to these exposes:
Todd Bentley, Mike Bickle, John Crowder, John Dawson, Joy Dawson, Jack Deere, Francis Frangipane, Ted Haggard, Bill Hamon, Cindy Jacobs, Bill Johnson, Bob Jones, Rick Joyner, Patricia King, George Otis, Jr., Dutch Sheets, Ed Silvoso, Chad Taylor, Richard Twiss, C. Peter Wagner, YWAM
New Apostolic Reformation
 
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EO sounds creepy :/

NAR on the other hand doesnt sound creepy so much as overbearing lol. I look forward to the day when the evangelical focus on the Bible as a true authority merges with the charasmatic gifts and baptism in Spirit. Perhaps then we will have a pure AND powerful church/body but we do need to find the middle road, between disregarding the baptism of the Spirit, and focusing so much on it that it becomes a 'second blessing' and solely for power instead of for sanctification.

One day I hope this will happen, until then Ill keep believing and praying about it as I believe its biblical.

If you wanted to know more about this then David Pawson is the preacher to look for, he really knows his stuff and takes the Bible for what it is. Not that I would call myself a follower of him or a believer in his teaching, I just believe that alot of what he preaches is truth and after comparing it with the Bible I am convinced of his view.
 
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Lad said:
EO sounds creepy :/

NAR on the other hand doesnt sound creepy so much as overbearing lol. I look forward to the day when the evangelical focus on the Bible as a true authority merges with the charasmatic gifts and baptism in Spirit. Perhaps then we will have a pure AND powerful church/body but we do need to find the middle road, between disregarding the baptism of the Spirit, and focusing so much on it that it becomes a 'second blessing' and solely for power instead of for sanctification.

One day I hope this will happen, until then Ill keep believing and praying about it as I believe its biblical.

If you wanted to know more about this then David Pawson is the preacher to look for, he really knows his stuff and takes the Bible for what it is. Not that I would call myself a follower of him or a believer in his teaching, I just believe that alot of what he preaches is truth and after comparing it with the Bible I am convinced of his view.
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you've already received the Spirit Laddie, if you can say you truly believe (have you received the love of the truth? do you truly believe?).
if so, this was God's doing.

He drew (dragged) you to Jesus (not the other way around as many would have you believe).​

the gifts you hear so much about, listed in Corinthians, and the miraculous powers and Acts of The Apostles in scripture have ceased - you do not need them....THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE BIBLE IS ALL YOU NEED. we have a more sure word > the entire canon.

we have more than even the Apostles had concerning the revealed will and plan of God, Laddie. they only knew it as it was revealed. john was the last one alive...the others didn't receive the visions in Revelation - john did:)

take a close look at those websites. be very cautious.
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ahhh and that is where we differ in belief. See I believe its clear that the baptism of the Spirit occurs AFTER repentance and belief and usually coincides with water baptism, I believe its different from when we are justified through faith, and its purpose is power and purity.

I also believe the gifts havent ceased but that there is evidence of their working all around us even now, though unfortunately the majority who claim to have these gifts dont. I believe the Spirit gives one or more of the gifts listed to any believer after salvation if the believer receives Him.
 
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ahhh and that is where we differ in belief. See I believe its clear that the baptism of the Spirit occurs AFTER repentance and belief and usually coincides with water baptism, I believe its different from when we are justified through faith, and its purpose is power and purity.

I also believe the gifts havent ceased but that there is evidence of their working all around us even now, though unfortunately the majority who claim to have these gifts dont. I believe the Spirit gives one or more of the gifts listed to any believer after salvation if the believer receives Him.
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alright my dear.
proceed with caution.
 
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Can i suggest a book to you? Its really good, and it deals with all holy spirit movements through the ages and does an exegesis on all verses relating to the baptism of the Spirit....

Its called Jesus Baptises in one holy Spirit, by David Pawson. I highly recommend it.
 
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