Within the veil Part 4

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How can we change to become more like Christ? After all, this is the ultimate aim of every christian, right? Who has the testimony of God saying; "This is My Son, in whom I am well pleased?" No one but Jesus Christ has this testimony, and I believe that no one ever will. This is why we are becoming conformed into the image of Jesus Christ. This is why everyone who has the hope of becoming just as He is when they see Him purifies themselves just as He is pure. When we look at ourselves in truth, through the lenses of the Holy Spirit, and compare ourselves to Jesus, how we react to this comparison will determine how much we will please God.

Most never look. Most are never taught to look. Many do not believe that we should look, that forgiveness is enough, and that nothing else is needed. But if we search our hearts, seeking what God has placed in them, and the desires He has given us from Himself, we will not accept anything else but conformity with Jesus Christ as our goal, knowing that this is the high calling of God in Jesus Christ. Even more, we know that when we see Him, we will become conformed to His image, that God has decreed this as our eventual state. However, how much we can become conformed to His image in this life has a tremendous effect on how much loss we will suffer when we do see Him.

Anyway, if you do not believe that this is a God given desire and a desirable goal, then none of the following will be of any use to you. But if you have this deep set desire in your heart, then the mystery of conformity to Jesus Christ is waiting for you to seek and to knock and to ask. If the Holy Spirit is teaching you to live in Jesus, then you can know that this is possible, and that growing into His image more each day is a blessing beyond wonder, unexplainable with words.

More later,
In Christ,
 
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VW said:
How can we change to become more like Christ? After all, this is the ultimate aim of every christian, right? Who has the testimony of God saying; "This is My Son, in whom I am well pleased?" No one but Jesus Christ has this testimony, and I believe that no one ever will. This is why we are becoming conformed into the image of Jesus Christ. This is why everyone who has the hope of becoming just as He is when they see Him purifies themselves just as He is pure. When we look at ourselves in truth, through the lenses of the Holy Spirit, and compare ourselves to Jesus, how we react to this comparison will determine how much we will please God.

Most never look. Most are never taught to look. Many do not believe that we should look, that forgiveness is enough, and that nothing else is needed. But if we search our hearts, seeking what God has placed in them, and the desires He has given us from Himself, we will not accept anything else but conformity with Jesus Christ as our goal, knowing that this is the high calling of God in Jesus Christ. Even more, we know that when we see Him, we will become conformed to His image, that God has decreed this as our eventual state. However, how much we can become conformed to His image in this life has a tremendous effect on how much loss we will suffer when we do see Him.

Anyway, if you do not believe that this is a God given desire and a desirable goal, then none of the following will be of any use to you. But if you have this deep set desire in your heart, then the mystery of conformity to Jesus Christ is waiting for you to seek and to knock and to ask. If the Holy Spirit is teaching you to live in Jesus, then you can know that this is possible, and that growing into His image more each day is a blessing beyond wonder, unexplainable with words.

More later,
In Christ,
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I believe four things are necessary for complete salvation (that is justification, sanctification and glorification)

1. Belief/Faith
2. Repentance
3. Baptism
4. Receiving of the Spirit

If we truly want to be saved from our sins (and not just from hell) and want to be like Yeshua I believe we should do all 4, especially when all are commanded if you dont twist scripture.
 
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VW said:
How can we change to become more like Christ?
Anyway, if you do not believe that this is a God given desire and a desirable goal, then none of the following will be of any use to you. But if you have this deep set desire in your heart, then the mystery of conformity to Jesus Christ is waiting for you to seek and to knock and to ask. If the Holy Spirit is teaching you to live in Jesus, then you can know that this is possible, and that growing into His image more each day is a blessing beyond wonder, unexplainable with words.

More later,
In Christ,
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yes, you too can pass through the veil, bypass the Mediator, enter the Father's Presence, channel Jesus Christ and become a great leader of His Church.

it may cost you everything, however.

VW said:
Anyone who has the gift of prophecy, or has been called as a prophet, will understand when I say that I did not want to make this post. But the voice of the Lord is not insistent, but rather quietly leading one to do as He wishes. I have from the Lord that I am not to answer critical words any more. So, in obedience to Him, hear these words or not.

In Christ

The testing has started. The dross will be removed from the gold and silver. Those who will not come to Me will not get many more chances. Those who lie about Me will grow even harder in their hearts. Those who do not love Me will go astray, and stumble, and fall. And My servants will prevail, just as I prevailed.

I set a choice before you, with a question. Do you love Me? Will you follow Me? Will you become My servants? Or will you continue to love the knowledge of Me? Will you still follow what you believe? Will you still serve yourself and your pride? Will you live in Me?

Not all that you believe is from Me. And not all that you do is pleasing in My sight. And not all that you say or think is of faith. But My servants will not be so in the days to come. Everything they believe will be from Me, and they will speak My words, and they will do the things that are pleasing in My sight. And I will love them.

I hate your assemblies. I loath your offerings. I despise your service. Your prayers I do not hear, because they are for your own lusts. Your hands are dirty, and your lips have become numb. Your ears do not hear, nor do your eyes see. Who among you has a soft heart? Who is seeking truth in My Father's presence? Who has lost themselves for Me and to Me? Who has lost every other love, to know My love? Who has become My servant?

I am coming quickly. I am coming with a sword. I am coming to make war, to make an end, a complete ending of all the lies. I am coming to reward My servants, and to gather those who love My appearing. Will you be ashamed at My appearing, or will you have great joy? Either way, I am coming quickly.
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Matthew 7
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
 
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Lad said:
I believe four things are necessary for complete salvation (that is justification, sanctification and glorification)

1. Belief/Faith
2. Repentance
3. Baptism
4. Receiving of the Spirit

If we truly want to be saved from our sins (and not just from hell) and want to be like Yeshua I believe we should do all 4, especially when all are commanded if you dont twist scripture.
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Well, you are leaving out the most important one, which I will get to later, maybe in part 5.
 
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Ok and that is what?
 
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Ok and that is what?
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As we behold His glory in a glass darkly, we are changed into His image, from glory to glory. It is within the veil that we are truly changed into His image.

It looks like there will be a part 6. About how we are perfected in love.

In Christ,
 
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zone said:
yes, you too can pass through the veil, bypass the Mediator, enter the Father's Presence, channel Jesus Christ and become a great leader of His Church.

it may cost you everything, however.



http://christianchat.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=420670

Matthew 7
A Tree and Its Fruit
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
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Yep, that is right.
 
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VW said:
Who has the testimony of God saying; "This is My Son, in whom I am well pleased?" No one but Jesus Christ has this testimony, and I believe that no one ever will.

More later,
In Christ,
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I was praying that one of these post would be ok... maybe the next one in the saga....

Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

1 Thessalonians 4:1
Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God;

Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
 
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