Withing the veil Part 6 (being perfected in love)

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No one has beheld God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

His love perfected in us. Think about that, just what that means. The same love that God has for the world that caused Him to sacrifice His only Son, for us. We can have that love perfected in us. You can know, without a shadow of a doubt, that if we have God's love perfected in us, then our hearts will not condemn us, ever. We will have perfect confidence before God, and we will have from Him whatever we ask.

Think about that.

But how is His love to become perfected in us? By what process does God perfect His love in us? Some think that we are perfect from the very first moment we believe, and in many ways we are, in God's eyes. He must see us as perfect, otherwise we could not approach Him. But this perfection is in Christ Jesus, and it is not ours in actual fact. If we say that we have no sin, then we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Notice how he wrote, "if we say that we have no sin." God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. Our only approach to God is through the perfection of Jesus Christ. Period.

But we are not perfected yet. Does anyone doubt this? Let us just say that if anyone is already perfect, that is, without sin, then they will not gain anything from these messages. I am not perfect, far from it, so far from it that I despair of ever becoming perfected in His love. But I desire to be perfected in His love, more than any other desire I have. It is a burning passion, from God.

Anyway, as we draw near to God, His light illuminates us, on the outside and even more, on the inside. In His light, we can see the truth about ourselves, and the more completely we see this truth, the more the word of the cross can work in us, putting to death the lies and hurts and deceits and every other hurtful thing that might be in us. For all of these keep us from walking in His love.

And in His presence, we come to know Him, the One who is from the beginning, the Father of all who are righteous. And as we behold Him more and more, we are changed from beholding His glory into His image, from glory to glory.

If you have this desire, answer it. Ask, seek, knock. He will open the way into His presence.

In Christ, with His love,
 
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We will have perfect confidence before God, and we will have from Him whatever we ask.


Because if we were perfect in God then we would only desire things that God desires because our heart would be perfectly in line with the heart and mind and will of our Heavenly Father.... we would not ask for anything God had not already planned to give us. we would instead stand in thanksgiving not fear of falling short and doubt of our own salvation or being "good enough"....

James 4:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and[a] adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

Ephesians 5:18-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
18 And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, 20 giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

Matthew 14:31
And immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and caught him, and said to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?”


Ok VW you at least talked about Jesus. However even the demons recognize Jesus as the son of the Most High God. Let us talk of Salvation through faith and grace of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior more and "behind the veil" less. What about learning to live with the promptings of the Holy Spirit and learning how to discern between the Holy spirit and the voices of deceiving spirits and your own flesh? maybe in the next installment....

Luke 8:27-29
New King James Version (NKJV)
27 And when He stepped out on the land, there met Him a certain man from the city who had demons for a long time. And he wore no clothes,[a] nor did he live in a house but in the tombs. 28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!” 29 For He had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For it had often seized him, and he was kept under guard, bound with chains and shackles; and he broke the bonds and was driven by the demon into the wilderness.


Compare the reaction of the above demon and Jesus cry of thanksgiving:

Matthew 11:25-30
New King James Version (NKJV)
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


which spirit do you chose to listen to?
 
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how God tells us we are perfected in love?

2 Peter 1
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


therefore you need to build upon the seed of Faith placed in your heart by practicing virtue, learning knowledge of God's ways, exerting self control, continuing in perseverance which will lead to godliness, brotherly kindness and love.

Praise God He gave us His revealed words to study from as well as His Holy Spirit to guide and lead us and thank you God for Your many other blessings that we might not be ashamed to call you Abba, Our Heavenly Father. May Your name be forever glorified, In the name of Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior we pray. Amen :)
 
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how God tells us we are perfected in love?

2 Peter 1
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


therefore you need to build upon the seed of Faith placed in your heart by practicing virtue, learning knowledge of God's ways, exerting self control, continuing in perseverance which will lead to godliness, brotherly kindness and love.

I am amazed at you. You have chosen to call me false, and an enemy, and when the end comes you will find that I was neither of these.
 
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I am amazed at you. You have chosen to call me false, and an enemy, and when the end comes you will find that I was neither of these.
no I call the spirit that is leading you astray false and you undiscerning. and the end has not come yet. for I still find your words not quite there. there is such things as lies by omission. and Satan is great at that one.

i don't judge people, just their words and the spirits that prompt their speaking of those words.

I just want to know why you do not like to quote scripture and how you discern between the spirits?

hey at least they are leaving you alone enough you don't have to ignore half the people on cc anymore. praise God for that.
 
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no I call the spirit that is leading you astray false and you undiscerning. and the end has not come yet. for I still find your words not quite there. there is such things as lies by omission. and Satan is great at that one.

i don't judge people, just their words and the spirits that prompt their speaking of those words.

I just want to know why you do not like to quote scripture?
Well, that is something. I quote scripture all the time. I many times do not have to look it up, because the Spirit brings it to my mind.

No, what you want to know is why I do not believe the way you do, and do not focus on the scriptures you do.

I find your words to be immature in the Spirit. But I do not hold that against you.

In Christ,
 
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I find your words to be immature in the Spirit. But I do not hold that against you.

In Christ,
lol well that makes two of us then.

 

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So, nothing about the charge you make that I do not quote scripture. Why not? Have you changed your mind?
 

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Well, that is something. I quote scripture all the time. I many times do not have to look it up, because the Spirit brings it to my mind.


wow.....amazing.
i wonder why you're totally WRONG?
 
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So, nothing about the charge you make that I do not quote scripture. Why not? Have you changed your mind?
no you think you are quoting scripture but you often MISquote scripture and don't seem to care that the spirit speaking to you makes some key changes that makes a BIG difference to the message given in the Bible.

would it be too hard to check it in the Bible or do you think you are "beyond" reading God's words and base everything on experience instead?
 

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The problem is you , not VW
can two walk together except they are in agreement?
you and VW are brothers.

that's pretty clear.

but go for it.

if you're with the false prophet VW....this means WAR. i am against you also.
 

VW

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no you think you are quoting scripture but you often MISquote scripture and don't seem to care that the spirit speaking to you makes some key changes that makes a BIG difference to the message given in the Bible.

would it be too hard to check it in the Bible or do you think you are "beyond" reading God's words and base everything on experience instead?
Do you check what I quote?

Did you check where John says that our heart condemns us it is because God is greater than our hearts and knows all things?

I am sorry, but I think that it is you who have misunderstood scripture, and misused it.

In Christ.
 
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can two walk together except they are in agreement?
you and VW are brothers.

that's pretty clear.

but go for it.

if you're with the false prophet VW....this means WAR. i am against you also.
hahaha, I have heard you make one true statement the whole time I have been on here, so if say ''the means war'' then you must be making peace.
 

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can two walk together except they are in agreement?
you and VW are brothers.

that's pretty clear.

but go for it.

if you're with the false prophet VW....this means WAR. i am against you also.
I am not against you, so it is not war, but persecution.

I believe in Jesus with all of my heart. I love Him more than my life. I hear His voice, just as He said that all of His sheep would. That makes me a false prophet and a liar, and nothing I say can be believed. That leaves me in a very bad position with my wife of 40 years, and my children, and my employer, and with my God. That is, if you are correct.
 

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hahaha, I have heard you make one true statement the whole time I have been on here, so if say ''the means war'' then you must be making peace.
i'll spend all my time tracking and ripping your mask off if you're one of these crackpot NAR guys.
got it?

we are in a war, and if you like the brotherhood of darkness, i'm against you....easy.
 

VW

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i'll spend all my time tracking and ripping your mask off if you're one of these crackpot NAR guys.
got it?

we are in a war, and if you like the brotherhood of darkness, i'm against you....easy.
I just do not know what to say. I stopped reading your posts several weeks ago. I have just today started reading what you are posting again. And I find that it is ten times worse than it was.;

I am very sorry for you.
 

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I just do not know what to say. I stopped reading your posts several weeks ago. I have just today started reading what you are posting again. And I find that it is ten times worse than it was.;

I am very sorry for you.
you're such a liar.
you've been reading everybody's posts all along.

don't weep for me VW.
you're in a LOT OF TROUBLE.
 
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i'll spend all my time tracking and ripping your mask off if you're one of these crackpot NAR guys.
got it?

we are in a war, and if you like the brotherhood of darkness, i'm against you....easy.
hahaha, just so you no i have no affiliation with nar or any other organization. I am a bible believing follower of Christ. Nothing more, nothing less :)

However I do know the difference between dispensationism, and historic premillennialism
 

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I am not against you, so it is not war, but persecution.

I believe in Jesus with all of my heart. I love Him more than my life. I hear His voice, just as He said that all of His sheep would. That makes me a false prophet and a liar, and nothing I say can be believed. That leaves me in a very bad position with my wife of 40 years, and my children, and my employer, and with my God. That is, if you are correct.
liar.
uttering lies claiming they came from the lips of Christ.
channeling Christ and making threats against His Beloved He never made.

doing the works of satan.

clear enough?
only babes and fools believe you at this point.