women as church leaders and teachers

[GreenNnice]

"Phoebe was a deacon."

Romans 16:1


Seems pretty clear to ME that women DID like teaching and leadership from women , based on this COMMENDATION by Paul in Romans 16:1 , speaking laudation of Phoebe, a deacon in the church. (Cenchreae). This is truth, there is no getting around it. Try to, go with 1 TIM 2:12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, you can't get around it, especially by reading 1 Timothy 3 , the part about qualifications for a deacon. So, women as leaders, quite likely OVER MEN, too, IF Phoebe is the Scripture example ? Yes.

 

[jinx]

wow. this thread is still open? I thought someone moved this topic to a new thread...lol (or maybe several new threads)

 

[GreenNnice]

Scripture makes it clear that a woman is not permitted to have authority over a man. That is not taken out of context that is what it says. Women can teach women, but out of respect and honor for authority they are not to teach men. Yes, God has used women to teach men, but only because there were no Godly men willing to be used by God at that time. It is to mans shame when God uses a women to teach Him, because scripture makes it clear that man is the head of woman. It is not meant to be the other way around. Let the word speak for itself....

Yes, He has used women at times, K8ie, He will continue too, and, foundation that Paul was receptive of women in positions like deacon or minister or servant is clear-as-day evident in Romans 16:1: Phoebe was a deacon (or minister, or, servant).

I guess you were asking me?
And if so, I do not know what you exactly you are asking.
The Elder is writing this to the elect (chosen) lady and her children.

God's elect are ALL those who choose Him after He's first chosen them, and, God is doing things His ways and is NO respecter of persons (some 500 got to see Jesus' ascenscion to heaven in Acts 1:8, MOST did not get that peace and assurance that Jesus was Who He said He was . Not fair, not fair ! We must then , by faith, realize, oh, yes, He is fair. He will shew you these things , too, as you go to Him, read His Word, acknowledge His plan is good for you, not evil, with future and hope, and, that, my fellow Christ peeps, is all goooodness )

wow. this thread is still open? I thought someone moved this topic to a new thread...lol (or maybe several new threads).

So, yes, CORRECT, God put man as before women in the order of authority, as 1 Timothy 2: 13-14 states, but Christ is head of man, right? Yes! And, He will.do things for His will and good pleasure, and, He only knows the times someone like Phoebe, a woman, will get an eXpanded role from childbearer, career outside ministry woman. The Lord leads. Pray about this. Satan is so powerful , he even will try to deceive 'the elect,' which are those, like pastors, deacons, that are in leadership positions of the church. Make NO mistake Satan WANTS the soul of ALL churches, and, we are told NOT to forsake the assemblyz which is what chuch is, an assembly of people in fellowship, bringing glory to God, in its purest, righteous form. It is not EVER about us, and, what we are to do, Christ is head, men listen to Him too, PRAY everywhere,ceo, you can be strong to your family. Everything in our life , as Christians, should be ALL about Him, because 'it' is, EVERYTHING, everything is about the Great I AM .

 

[homwardbound]

"Phoebe was a deacon."

Romans 16:1


Seems pretty clear to ME that women DID like teaching and leadership from women , based on this COMMENDATION by Paul in Romans 16:1 , speaking laudation of Phoebe, a deacon in the church. (Cenchreae). This is truth, there is no getting around it. Try to, go with 1 TIM 2:12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, you can't get around it, especially by reading 1 Timothy 3 , the part about qualifications for a deacon. So, women as leaders, quite likely OVER MEN, too, IF Phoebe is the Scripture example ? Yes.

great post, now it does seem to be a conflict,and so from Fahter's point of view there is no male,no female, no jew, no greek hmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are in the Spirit are we not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And no flesh will ever please God right Thankjs for the eye opener.
[h=3]Romans 16:1-3[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Personal Greetings[/h]16 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, He has used women at times, K8ie, He will continue too, and, foundation that Paul was receptive of women in positions like deacon or minister or servant is clear-as-day evident in Romans 16:1: Phoebe was a deacon (or minister, or, servant).


God's elect are ALL those who choose Him after He's first chosen them, and, God is doing things His ways and is NO respecter of persons (some 500 got to see Jesus' ascenscion to heaven in Acts 1:8, MOST did not get that peace and assurance that Jesus was Who He said He was . Not fair, not fair ! We must then , by faith, realize, oh, yes, He is fair. He will shew you these things , too, as you go to Him, read His Word, acknowledge His plan is good for you, not evil, with future and hope, and, that, my fellow Christ peeps, is all goooodness )

So, yes, CORRECT, God put man as before women in the order of authority, as 1 Timothy 2: 13-14 states, but Christ is head of man, right? Yes! And, He will.do things for His will and good pleasure, and, He only knows the times someone like Phoebe, a woman, will get an eXpanded role from childbearer, career outside ministry woman. The Lord leads. Pray about this. Satan is so powerful , he even will try to deceive 'the elect,' which are those, like pastors, deacons, that are in leadership positions of the church. Make NO mistake Satan WANTS the soul of ALL churches, and, we are told NOT to forsake the assemblyz which is what chuch is, an assembly of people in fellowship, bringing glory to God, in its purest, righteous form. It is not EVER about us, and, what we are to do, Christ is head, men listen to Him too, PRAY everywhere,ceo, you can be strong to your family. Everything in our life , as Christians, should be ALL about Him, because 'it' is, EVERYTHING, everything is about the Great I AM .

GreenNnice
Beautiful post now like you said about gathering, well whynot gather at the true tabenacle in heavenwhere we have been made Citizens of, for God's kingdom is not of this world Christ was clear on this to Peter, when e had Peter put down the sword that cur off that man's earthat was there totake Jesus away, a great will worship from Peter as many today do the same and then Jesus restored this man's ear and willingly went to the cross, this world and its ways surely do not do things as this do they?
Any way the true tabernacle
Hebrews 8:2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

1. Hebrews 9:8
   The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
   Hebrews 9:7-9 (in Context) Hebrews 9 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Hebrews 9:11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

 

[Cobus]

Not all co workers / deacons / servants are praechers and teachers.... The deacons were not APPOINTED to preach but to do the work that PREVENTED the teachers and preachers to preach... Like serving the old people and tendin to the tables...

That was why theu appointed DEACONS... Philip was one of them, but he also was an Evanglist.. Phobe was not, and Aquilla may or may not have been preaching, but Priscilla was a servant / deacon / co worker (non preaching with mouth, but with GOOD WORKS AS A WOMAN OF GOD DOES... WOMEN OF GOD PROFESS WITH GOOD WORKS,,,, NOT GOOD WORDS... 1 Tim 2.. Even though they are in Christ God still refer to them as GODLY WOMEN PROFESSING WITH GOOD WORKS.. And they are quiet and modest... And MANY other things, but NOT TEACHERS OF MEN...

 

[Cobus]

Not all are made PRIESTS, some is made KINGS (Rev 1)... Some will NEVER preach... And here is GOOD advice from God's Word...MY BRETHREN.... Wonder why not BRETHREN AND SISTEREN? ONLY BRETHREN.... BE NOT MANY MASTERS, KNOWING THAT WE (TEACHERS / MASTERS) SHALL RECEIVE THE GREATER JUDGMENT.

And look at 1 Cor 14... HOW IS IT THEN BRETHREN WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER.... NOt even talking to SISTEREN... OR are all sisters also BRETHREN? and THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE... Nope we are making this another JOKE!

God only appoints men as teachers... 1 Cor 14 says and speaks to the CHURCH OF CORINTHS... And look God even says... THESE ARE COMMANDS OF GOD!

 

[savedNblessed]

Should man be teaching his head, also known as, Christ?

 

[notuptome]

"Phoebe was a deacon."

Romans 16:1


Seems pretty clear to ME that women DID like teaching and leadership from women , based on this COMMENDATION by Paul in Romans 16:1 , speaking laudation of Phoebe, a deacon in the church. (Cenchreae). This is truth, there is no getting around it. Try to, go with 1 TIM 2:12 and 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, you can't get around it, especially by reading 1 Timothy 3 , the part about qualifications for a deacon. So, women as leaders, quite likely OVER MEN, too, IF Phoebe is the Scripture example ? Yes.

Phoebe was a deaconess not a deacon. There is most certainly a ministry in the church for women like Phoebe and thank God for women like her. She was not a pastor or an elder but one who ministered in those things that a man could not. The bible never contradicts itself. I suggest that if Phoebe and others like her have any aspirations they are only to be a servant of the Lord. Offices, titles and authority would be on no interest to one like Phoebe.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Powemm]

Luke 23:35
The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.”
Luke 24:9
When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others.
Luke 24:10
It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles.

the new testament reveals it was a woman who was first at the tomb when the tomb was empty ..
They also went and told the others ..
God is neither male or female...
Man doesn't decide who teaches .. God decides and does not need the approval of men..
He uses who "He" wishes , as it is His will and plan .. It is us who are to be available to him

Acts 14:4
The people of the city were divided; some sided with the Jews, others with the apostles.
Acts 15:35
But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
Acts 16:32
Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.
1 Corinthians 14:19
But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

[ The Ministry of Reconciliation ] Since, then, we know what it is to fear the Lord, we try to persuade others. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your conscience.
2 Corinthians 8:8
I am not commanding you, but I want to test the sincerity of your love by comparing it with the earnestness of others.
2 Corinthians 8:13
Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.

 

[Powemm]

It is true god made me a female .. But since Christ lives in me and I live in Him.. This makes me as God has intended .. (both male"Christ in me" and female as he molded me. It is Christ "in us that the Holy Spirit speaks to us from God. And since God is not a man that He should lie, He looks nit at the outer cup, but at tue hearts available to Him

 

[TomH]

It is true god made me a female .. But since Christ lives in me and I live in Him.. This makes me as God has intended .. (both male"Christ in me" and female as he molded me. It is Christ "in us that the Holy Spirit speaks to us from God. And since God is not a man that He should lie, He looks nit at the outer cup, but at tue hearts available to Him

"For whoever are baptized into Christ, put on Christ, in Whom there is no Jew nor yet Greek, there is no slave nor yet free, there is no male and female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:27,28)

 

[Cobus]

Yep what did Paul know, He did not have the Spirit of Christ in him... But we do! I think it is the other way around, funny we want to teach but we are not PERFECT or without sin, AS GOD SAYS... Whosever is BORN OF GOD sinneth NOT, for HIS SEED REMAINETH IN HIM, AND HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD...

Yet we sin and still claim GOD'S SEED the Holy Spirit is in us... OH BOY ARE WE LIERS!

Lord I know I am sinner, please give me the perfect gift from above, YOUR SEED TO REMAIN IN ME... AMEN!

 

[Cobus]

Should man be teaching his head, also known as, Christ?

If you look at he Church of God you will see that the person/s teaching and preaching in HIS Church are actually FILLED with HIS SPIRIT, so it is the head that teach not the man... Read 1 Cor 14,,, that is what happens in HIS Church.... GOD TEACHING ALL TO GROW... IN TRUTH...

 

[jinx]

it's like beating a dead horse on this topic.

 

[Rodger]

Leadership goes with call and ability, not with gender. The only exception is that a group composed on purpose as a share group or personal growth group of men or women only, should be led by a person of that sex. So I have no problems with women pastors, teachers, board members, etc.

Then you are not familier with Bible doctrine my friend.

 

[Rodger]

Yep what did Paul know, He did not have the Spirit of Christ in him... But we do! I think it is the other way around, funny we want to teach but we are not PERFECT or without sin, AS GOD SAYS... Whosever is BORN OF GOD sinneth NOT, for HIS SEED REMAINETH IN HIM, AND HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD...

Yet we sin and still claim GOD'S SEED the Holy Spirit is in us... OH BOY ARE WE LIERS!

Lord I know I am sinner, please give me the perfect gift from above, YOUR SEED TO REMAIN IN ME... AMEN!

Paul did not have the Spirit of Christ in him?????

 

[savedNblessed]

If you look at he Church of God you will see that the person/s teaching and preaching in HIS Church are actually FILLED with HIS SPIRIT, so it is the head that teach not the man... Read 1 Cor 14,,, that is what happens in HIS Church.... GOD TEACHING ALL TO GROW... IN TRUTH...

My point was if man shouldn't teach his head aka Christ then woman shouldn't teach her head aka man. It was implying to the original post. I hope this makes things clearer. And I agree with what you've posted.

 

[homwardbound]

Phoebe was a deaconess not a deacon. There is most certainly a ministry in the church for women like Phoebe and thank God for women like her. She was not a pastor or an elder but one who ministered in those things that a man could not. The bible never contradicts itself. I suggest that if Phoebe and others like her have any aspirations they are only to be a servant of the Lord. Offices, titles and authority would be on no interest to one like Phoebe.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I thought we all are to be servants of the Lord?

 

[prodigal]

we no longer have the sinful nature, that's not to say we dont sin.. worth a study