women in ministry?

[hampsterisk]

Titus 2:3-5 The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; that they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children. To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

In the era of the early church, we rarely (if ever) hear of a lady speaking publicly; it simply wasn't what society (at that time) had in mind for ladies. In that age a lady did not possess the liberties a man did. Ladies did not receive much of an education because they were primarily "keepers at home". Now imagine, if you will, a lady without an education giving a public speech. On top of this, the "keepers at home" included gathering food, preparing food for meals, raising a large family, and possibly even working the fields or tending livestock. Do you think she has time to be a minister, apart from her daily tasks?

If you are a "keeper at home", and your "job" is keeping the house in order, making meals, and raising little humans, you know how incredibly hard that job is, and how little extra time you have. Now add to your job description being a pastor.

As time progresses, more and more ladies don't won't to be stay at home moms. How that affects society as a whole is mostly negative.

Because ladies are not stay at home moms they have time to be a pastor, or a minister, or anything else other than a stay at home mom.

So what is a ladies primary role in the Kingdom of God? I think if a lady is married and has children she had better devote her life to taking care of those children and her children's father. That is her first and foremost responsibility. If she has any leftover time besides taking care of her family with all her heart and soul and strength, I will be the first to call her wonder women. Once she has the family taken care of I think only then should she consider being a pastor.

This explanation excludes ladies without a family.

 

[Angela53510]

So my family is grown so it is ok if I am a pastor?

Just ribbing you after this hilarious thread. I am a chaplain and well qualified for the position. Meaning, God called me and I obeyed!

 

[OwenHeidenreich]

you skippped a verse. you started at 14:34 when you should have started at 14:33.

heres the WHOLE verse. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, butshould be in submission, as the Law also says. 35 If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
36 Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.


i interpret it "churches of the saints" as churches of all the witnesses and apostles of Christ.

 

[Bluecomet]

You need to study. Itis a shame for a woman to speak in the church.

 

[hampsterisk]

According to my explanation, I think you are ok. God bless ya.

 

[Reformedjason]

A woman can be in ministry. They just can not be the leader over men as their role is different.

 

[SparkleEyes]

1 Timothy 2:13-14

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

How are you connecting the deceiving of Eve by the snake with the declaration that women should not be pastors? If you are saying she is fallible because of this lack of judgement, I will point out that there are hundreds of men who made terrible decisions that could render them unworthy.

Adam was with her at that fateful event. And if one claims he is the leader in the relationship, then he should take responsibility for this decisions.

 

[GreenNnice]

A woman can be in ministry. They just can not be the leader over men as their role is different.

They can't be ! Gasp !! Their spirit leading them by His is all wrong, they are SATAN, all women pastors at the pulpit now, LOL

Yeah, yeah, I know what the Word says, God knows (literally), we've spoken enough of this topic already, just the ones that DON'T accept His will and leading of what's actually GOING ON in the world frrom Him to reach others and the holier than Thou's who are just so thinking Scripture says exactly what it says and so any WOMAN MINISTER must be against doing the RIGHT thing because it's not in Scripture, as they see it.


And that's part of it too. What makes YOU know your perspective is right of interpreting verses like 1 Cor. 14 34-35 which IS speakign of laywomen , and, NOT women ascribing to pastorship. And, 1 Tim. 2:12, that is speaking about order, isn't it?

What? You don't read in context ? Doesn't verse 13 speak of ORDEER ?? Duh..;


Man, first, but, then, who can teach and preach, uhhh, women I say this a little tough and sappy sounding, but, I am dead serious. Quit following yourself, pray about your stance so unbelievably unyieldiing on women TEACHING OR PREACHING To men EVER, the Lord leads.

GEt a life, who died an made you God ????? Just let God be God, great is the mystery of godliness, and, IF a woman is pastor now DEAL with it and DEAL with it as the Lord's in control. SUPPORT those who are and pray for those who are wanting to go into the ministry as a pastor, the Lord leads, what are YOU trying to lead for ?? Stop it

 

[Reformedjason]

They can't be ! Gasp !! Their spirit leading them by His is all wrong, they are SATAN, all women pastors at the pulpit now, LOL

Yeah, yeah, I know what the Word says, God knows (literally), we've spoken enough of this topic already, just the ones that DON'T accept His will and leading of what's actually GOING ON in the world frrom Him to reach others and the holier than Thou's who are just so thinking Scripture says exactly what it says and so any WOMAN MINISTER must be against doing the RIGHT thing because it's not in Scripture, as they see it.


And that's part of it too. What makes YOU know your perspective is right of interpreting verses like 1 Cor. 14 34-35 which IS speakign of laywomen , and, NOT women ascribing to pastorship. And, 1 Tim. 2:12, that is speaking about order, isn't it?

What? You don't read in context ? Doesn't verse 13 speak of ORDEER ?? Duh..;


Man, first, but, then, who can teach and preach, uhhh, women I say this a little tough and sappy sounding, but, I am dead serious. Quit following yourself, pray about your stance so unbelievably unyieldiing on women TEACHING OR PREACHING To men EVER, the Lord leads.

GEt a life, who died an made you God ????? Just let God be God, great is the mystery of godliness, and, IF a woman is pastor now DEAL with it and DEAL with it as the Lord's in control. SUPPORT those who are and pray for those who are wanting to go into the ministry as a pastor, the Lord leads, what are YOU trying to lead for ?? Stop it

God can use women, but according to his word women should not teach men. You act upset. Don't be mad at me be mad at the word. If you can pick and choose what to obey, what next? Say that Jesus is not the only way? Because it is not in style?

 

[GreenNnice]

God can use women, but according to his word women should not teach men. You act upset. Don't be mad at me be mad at the word. If you can pick and choose what to obey, what next? Say that Jesus is not the only way? Because it is not in style?

According to Scripture, women should not teach men, first, read 1 Tim. verses 2:12 and 13 one after the other, it's called 'context,' brother

Order.

MOST women are best served in the home, childbearing, Paul says, but, hey, too, times have changed, women these days have to work a lot, cuz of this world we live in these days, these end times are a-changin' thingsFAST!! Just follow Him, pray, when you see a women in a pulpit position, YOU follow Him, is He telling you to go curse them or tell them they don't belong (is that fruit bearing?? ) . Right What are YOU gonna do, boy ? IF God tells a woman to pastor , HOW do you know He's not doing the leading? Oh, how do you KNOW ! YOu don't , sure, yeah, yada, yada, you got the Word, and, as if we humans don't misinterpret that so often . WE are so just being led by the Lord, revealed things in His timing, of the Word, of our lives, as we step in faith. All from Him, all good, all to bring us more to Him, to understand more of Him, JR

 

[GreenNnice]

Do us all a favor to and just let this topic go for a bit. I can go right back on through and say exactly why God uses women in ministry to teach men, sometimes, not often, but, His order is not OUR order, anyway, just let this sleeping dog lie, that's my best advice. I do pray I';m being humble here, I hope, pray, but my analysis in the past for these type 'women' threads HAS changed people's chauvinistic minds about women allowed in ministry. I will bring it ALL back, as He leads me. The Spirit leads us ALL individually, no?
leave this sleeping dog lie.

Can we at least agree with that before you go now and leave this topic alone . So anj doesn't come on here and shred your thinking, LOL

Just leave itzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Reformedjason]

Do us all a favor to and just let this topic go for a bit. I can go right back on through and say exactly why God uses women in ministry to teach men, sometimes, not often, but, His order is not OUR order, anyway, just let this sleeping dog lie, that's my best advice. I do pray I';m being humble here, I hope, pray, but my analysis in the past for these type 'women' threads HAS changed people's chauvinistic minds about women allowed in ministry. I will bring it ALL back, as He leads me. The Spirit leads us ALL individually, no?
leave this sleeping dog lie.

Can we at least agree with that before you go now and leave this topic alone . So anj doesn't come on here and shred your thinking, LOL

Just leave itzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I will leave it alone but I am not worried about having my thinking shredded. Have a good one

 

[GreenNnice]

Me either, all done. The Lord leads, I'm not in the mood to shred your thinking, He has me thinking about other things in life than Romans 16 where, was it Lydia, who was a servant of the church in somewhere, 'servant' of the church, does that sound like she just spoke to men, I mean---oh, I am going to stop, I'm way taking myself out of 'order.' And., anj is a woman minister, go ahead, CONDEMN her, JR, I KNOW what Scripture says, but, what is the REALITY . And, is anj alone as a woman who is a 'servant' in the church? I think not. What do you think, JR ? Stop, stop, stop, I'm being seriously anti-social, again, I don't want to shred your chauvinistic thinking on this woman-judging subject, not to mention, God-judging. I mean, ALL the women who are in leadership positions, teaching or chaplain or whatever, REALLY, they are ALL ion disobedience to God /????? Not hardly, they are SERVING Him, doijng a job at a church pastoring men and women , in the RIGHT ORDER, probably no man was qualified to preach in that church and a woman took the lead and , guess what, JR, she was following His lead How many times has this happened, green? As many as are led by the spirit of God, they are sons (and daughters) of God .. The Lord leads. Let this SUBJECT go , don't even comment back to me, thanks for your support, or, I will continue to 'shred.'

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3Greet Priscilla[SUP]c[/SUP] and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus. 4They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.
5Greet also the church that meets at their house.
Greet my dear friend Epenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in the province of Asia.
6Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you.
7Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among[SUP]d[/SUP] the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.
8Greet Ampliatus, my dear friend in the Lord.
9Greet Urbanus, our co-worker in Christ, and my dear friend Stachys.
10Greet Apelles, whose fidelity to Christ has stood the test.
Greet those who belong to the household of Aristobulus.
11Greet Herodion, my fellow Jew.
Greet those in the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord.
12Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord.
13Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
14Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas and the other brothers and sisters with them.
15Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas and all the Lord’s people who are with the

 

[Reformedjason]

Me either, all done. The Lord leads, I'm not in the mood to shred your thinking, He has me thinking about other things in life than Romans 16 where, was it Lydia, who was a servant of the church in somewhere, 'servant' of the church, does that sound like she just spoke to men, I mean---oh, I am going to stop, I'm way taking myself out of 'order.' And., anj is a woman minister, go ahead, CONDEMN her, JR, I KNOW what Scripture says, but, what is the REALITY . And, is anj alone as a woman who is a 'servant' in the church? I think not. What do you think, JR ? Stop, stop, stop, I'm being seriously anti-social, again, I don't want to shred your chauvinistic thinking on this woman-judging subject, not to mention, God-judging. I mean, ALL the women who are in leadership positions, teaching or chaplain or whatever, REALLY, they are ALL ion disobedience to God /????? Not hardly, they are SERVING Him, doijng a job at a church pastoring men and women , in the RIGHT ORDER, probably no man was qualified to preach in that church and a woman took the lead and , guess what, JR, she was following His lead How many times has this happened, green? As many as are led by the spirit of God, they are sons (and daughters) of God .. The Lord leads. Let this SUBJECT go , don't even comment back to me, thanks for your support, or, I will continue to 'shred.'

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1I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon[SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP] of the church in Cenchreae. 2I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of his people and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been the benefactor of many people, including me.

3Greet Priscilla[SUP]c[/SUP] and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus. 4They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them.
5Greet also the church that meets at their house.
Greet my dear friend Epenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in the province of Asia.
6Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you.
7Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among[SUP]d[/SUP] the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.
8Greet Ampliatus, my dear friend in the Lord.
9Greet Urbanus, our co-worker in Christ, and my dear friend Stachys.
10Greet Apelles, whose fidelity to Christ has stood the test.
Greet those who belong to the household of Aristobulus.
11Greet Herodion, my fellow Jew.
Greet those in the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord.
12Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord.
13Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
14Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas and the other brothers and sisters with them.
15Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas and all the Lord’s people who are with the

Ok dude, what is the deal with you calling me " boy " and " Jr"? I disagree with you so I get boy and jr? I don't recall being disrespectful of you. I was going to let the boy thing go in the other post but the jr stuff , come on.

 

[GreenNnice]

Ok dude, what is the deal with you calling me " boy " and " Jr"? I disagree with you so I get boy and jr? I don't recall being disrespectful of you. I was going to let the boy thing go in the other post but the jr stuff , come on.

Where do I call you boy, RJ


May the Helper show you all truth, that which He reveals to you, in His timing.

Anyway, let this thread go, or, I will "decon" your thoughts, does 'decon' mean destroy, LOL ? Trust me, the Lord leads, this topic is one you just NEED to give to God and ask Him IF women can be in ministry in a church, sometimes. The Lord leads, brother. "...you follow Me." John 21:22

 

[Revelator7]

i wrote something on this topic in a blog. robhanley.blog.com

 

[Allin]

This is an old thread with lots of answers, so I'll just add a short answer:

1. God places men in ministry first and women second. He is not against women in ministry; it is as God establishes godly and righteous men in ministry that He will then be able to establish godly women in ministry. Men go first as a covering of protection (protection in following the correct order).

2. For evidence of God's eternal equality between men and women, please check out the stories of Zelophehad's daughters (Numbers 27) and Caleb's daughter (Joshua 15) whom God gave inheritances and land to, something that was unheard of in that day. (Check out also Priscilla and Aquila, the female apostle Junia, and other female leaders in the NT.)

So, this is another place where God has tolerated the traditions of man where men repress women, etc., and it seemed like God agreed with female repression because He tolerated it. God is fair across the board (His tolerance of sin/wrongdoing does not mean agreement with sin); His only stipulation is order: in matters of leadership (ministry, etc.), the man goes first, then the woman. As men stand in genuine and pure leadership roles, we will see women (beginning with women within those men's ministries and families) begin to be released from years of tradition to also stand in ministry and leadership.