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About women as slaves Abbie:
I Peter 3: 5-6 - For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Sarah called her husband her master. Now of course, He was a friend of God (you don't marry a fool and call him master), but thought you should know what the Biblical stance on that is.
Sam
On three, lets begin semantics and start using lexicons! However, I will gladly accept all forms of: She was his servant and not his slave.
I Peter 3: 5-6 - For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
Sarah called her husband her master. Now of course, He was a friend of God (you don't marry a fool and call him master), but thought you should know what the Biblical stance on that is.
Sam
On three, lets begin semantics and start using lexicons! However, I will gladly accept all forms of: She was his servant and not his slave.
M
Thanks for the reply Sam....but can I ask you this.....What happens if you are divorced through no fault or choice or your own and you have no husband ????
I myself am not happy about women priests etc....but in gods eyes we are sexless and also if I recall Pheobe was a deaconess .....
God Bless
Sally
I myself am not happy about women priests etc....but in gods eyes we are sexless and also if I recall Pheobe was a deaconess .....
God Bless
Sally
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First, I will say that it is an interesting thing that Christ said when He spoke of marriage and Pauline epistles show it too. Christ did not permit a man to leave his wife, vice versa unless there was marital unfaithfulness and then the sin of adultery was cast on the adulterer. Paul did not allow for divorce unless the spouse was an unbeliever who wanted a divorce or left the believing spouse in a state of peacelessness (abusive husbands, destructive husbands, etc.) or martial unfaithfulness. The point being that the spirit of what is said is that zeal and love for God should affect you towards the mind of Christ, which is - If I get married, I need to make this marriage work. That is what I think the church needs to realize: marriage isn't about a wedding ring or a ceremony where you are dressed in white, but rather a committment made before God until death. If your divorce falls within the 'exit' bounds, you have to live with a clear conscience about it.
The issue might actually be an understanding about law. It has parts. The law of marriage involves man and woman and Paul mentioned it, that if you are married and your spouse dies, you are no longer bound by the law of marriage. The same applies here: The law of the spirit implied with the verse about Abraham, hints at both a marriage between two people of faith and it hints at marriage. If you are not married (though maybe you or people make you still feel you are), this law is not in effect in your situation. Let me state, that I BY NO MEANS am telling women, any man you come across is your master!!! I think women respecting men will go along way in terms of wisdom, but NO I do not assert that as a man and you being a woman...that I am your master!!!!!
I Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
There is a little semantics involved in this explanation, but if you look at the words, you see that EVERY man has Christ as head, man (singular) is the head of woman (singular and in marriage), and so on and so forth. The principle is covering. In the times when the Bible was written, a woman with no covering was unheard of. As a matter of fact, in 2nd and 3rd world countries where violence is routine, you see a SPIRITUAL dynamic that as Christ died for the church, that women needed to have men around to protect them from evil, i.e. Keep a good man around. THAT man in many senses is THAT WOMAN's head. In our US' contemporary society, you do not see that dynamic. Women do not need men in the US like women need men in Arabia. However, with all the technological and social innovations in this nation, I still think it unwise for a righteous Christian woman (because of her value - purity,reverance, and gentleness) to be without brother, father, or close male friend - if nothing else for perspective.
Lastly, the debate was about women in leadership. I agree that women can be effective in the church, but again...the pattern of the Bible teaches that the church should gender towards a patriarchy with spiritually strong men(most churches do not understand what that is), rather than a matriarchy. If you want to delve even more into semantics, the Bible speaks of children in faith and those who have become sons of God. In Jewish custom, women weaned children and taught them life lessons until they became a certain age, at which they (boys) learned to be men with their fathers. You see it a bit in nature. I actually believe that is the pure, perfect, pleasing will of God. Some women do know more than men spiritually, but the act of perfection (becoming spiritual fathers) is one of suffering...that women prophetic or not are not called to like men are.
So WHAT I AM SAYING, is that there is a need for spiritual mothers in the church, but they at home and in the church need to submit to male heads so the church remains strong. The head of the Church when Paul and Peter walked the earth, took beatings, were hungry, were hated, and despised. If women are ready to enter the Apostolic, then there will be a different conversation. As I mentioned previously, we are having this conversation in America, because faith is EASY. When it gets hard, the churches will thin out and the church will more than likely (amongst real Christians) gender again to a patriarchy.
Sam
The issue might actually be an understanding about law. It has parts. The law of marriage involves man and woman and Paul mentioned it, that if you are married and your spouse dies, you are no longer bound by the law of marriage. The same applies here: The law of the spirit implied with the verse about Abraham, hints at both a marriage between two people of faith and it hints at marriage. If you are not married (though maybe you or people make you still feel you are), this law is not in effect in your situation. Let me state, that I BY NO MEANS am telling women, any man you come across is your master!!! I think women respecting men will go along way in terms of wisdom, but NO I do not assert that as a man and you being a woman...that I am your master!!!!!
I Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
There is a little semantics involved in this explanation, but if you look at the words, you see that EVERY man has Christ as head, man (singular) is the head of woman (singular and in marriage), and so on and so forth. The principle is covering. In the times when the Bible was written, a woman with no covering was unheard of. As a matter of fact, in 2nd and 3rd world countries where violence is routine, you see a SPIRITUAL dynamic that as Christ died for the church, that women needed to have men around to protect them from evil, i.e. Keep a good man around. THAT man in many senses is THAT WOMAN's head. In our US' contemporary society, you do not see that dynamic. Women do not need men in the US like women need men in Arabia. However, with all the technological and social innovations in this nation, I still think it unwise for a righteous Christian woman (because of her value - purity,reverance, and gentleness) to be without brother, father, or close male friend - if nothing else for perspective.
Lastly, the debate was about women in leadership. I agree that women can be effective in the church, but again...the pattern of the Bible teaches that the church should gender towards a patriarchy with spiritually strong men(most churches do not understand what that is), rather than a matriarchy. If you want to delve even more into semantics, the Bible speaks of children in faith and those who have become sons of God. In Jewish custom, women weaned children and taught them life lessons until they became a certain age, at which they (boys) learned to be men with their fathers. You see it a bit in nature. I actually believe that is the pure, perfect, pleasing will of God. Some women do know more than men spiritually, but the act of perfection (becoming spiritual fathers) is one of suffering...that women prophetic or not are not called to like men are.
So WHAT I AM SAYING, is that there is a need for spiritual mothers in the church, but they at home and in the church need to submit to male heads so the church remains strong. The head of the Church when Paul and Peter walked the earth, took beatings, were hungry, were hated, and despised. If women are ready to enter the Apostolic, then there will be a different conversation. As I mentioned previously, we are having this conversation in America, because faith is EASY. When it gets hard, the churches will thin out and the church will more than likely (amongst real Christians) gender again to a patriarchy.
Sam
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