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There is nothing better than I'd love to do is to go to St. Jude's hospital and heal every child there in one swoop. Truth is not going to happen.
John 20

24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Acts 5: The Book of Acts Continues This Very Day

14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)

15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them.

16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Unbelief hinders spiritual authority. Never change the theology of the bible to accommodate something that did not happen based on the way you want it to do and the way you want it to be. Because God's word is true and every man is a liar.
 

awelight

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I agree and still stand on WE have no power over satan. Jesus has the power.
Most Christian's run around with this thought that they have this magical abracadabra thing sparks out of the finger tips kind of mentality.
Our power as it were and is ..... access to the throne, access in prayer, access to the one who has sent us and who we are found in.
We are all subjects to God's will to be done....no matter how you slice it. If God says yes it's yes...if God says no it's no.
That's why we are to be led by his Holy Spirit.
Jesus said time after time I do the will of my father who sent me....I do what he tells me.
A perfect example of being led by the holy spirit.....
There is nothing better than I'd love to do is to go to St. Jude's hospital and heal every child there in one swoop. Truth is not going to happen. Is that because I lack faith?? Oh I know the Lord can but his will says other wise.
That's what I'm trying to relate here.

Well said.......

The Prosperity Gospel is a Gospel right out of the pit. First of all, the Lord never said anything about us having power over the Devil. He is called "the prince of this world" (John 6:11) and the "prince of the air" (Eph 2:2). The only one who has power over the Devil, is God. The Devil had to come before God to ask permission to harm Job. The devil was aware that Job had a "hedge" of protection around him. This hedge was put there in God's providence, NOT by Job. God agreed to allow the Devil to harm Job but limited how far the Devil could go. Job could have placed no such limitation on the Devil.

Secondly, Scripture clearly teaches, that as believers, we will suffer in this world. That the promise of a better life is in the future Kingdom, which will come down out of Heaven. While we are in this sinful, fleshly body, we will endure criticism and rejection for Christ's sake. We will, perhaps, endure misery and pain inflicted upon us by this body. Growing old, in the physical sense, is never fun. The body just keeps on decaying.

Thirdly, I have heard Kenneth Copeland, claim "You can have your best life now." Who as a believer, wants their best life now? You would have to be unbelievably worldly, in your thinking, to desire your best life, in this corrupted mess. I await my best life in the presence of the Lord. Anyone who is teaching material or wealth gain in this world, YOU should run from, as if you were being chased by a ravenous wolf.

Fourthly, We, that is the church, do not possess the "Keys of the Kingdom" at this time. The possession of the keys, mentioned in Matthew, are future:

Mat 16:19 I will give (future active indicative verb, "will or shall give"), unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound (perfect passive participle verb - The perfect tense means, past action with continued results into the future.), in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed (perfect passive participle verb), in heaven.

Now because of the two "perfect tense verbs" - bound and loosed, translated here in English - this translation here is not a good one. It does not reflect the perfect tense. A better translation would be:

Mat 16:19 I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall, shall have already been bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall have been already loosed in heaven.

Therefore, by way of interpretation, that in the millennial reign of Christ, what will be bound or loosed, by the Universal Church, has already been given authority from Heaven. Believers, who make up the Universal Church, that Christ is building, will be in perfect harmony with their God. However, I should add, That those who are "Amillenialist", believe they are in the Kingdom age now. This causes errors in their Eschatology.
 

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We see many posts, on Christianchat, that go back and forth as to the proper understanding of Soteriology (The study of salvation). Many use the terms "Calvinism" or "Arminianism". This battle should be called "Free Grace vs. Free Will" and it has raged for Centuries. The ones who hold to "Free Grace", believe in the "Eternal Covenant of Grace". This covenant was foreshadowed, in the covenant with Abraham. They believe that salvation is all of God, set forth in Eternity. Those on the "Free Will" side, deny "Limited Atonement", "spiritual depravity" and attempt to place man's will on a par with God's in salvation.

What unsaved men and many religionist truly hate though, is:

The Sovereignty of God!

Those on the "Free Grace" side, do not kick against God's Sovereignty, they rejoice in it. Those who attempt to place mans "Free Will" in to the mix, must attempt to usurp God's Sovereignty, in order to dismantle the doctrine of ELECTION. This doctrine is the extension of the "Covenant of Grace, which was settled in Eternity before anything was created. The oft time complaint is, "God would never force His will on our will." Complete foolishness. He would and He does.

Let's test ourselves, to see if we be in the faith. (2 Cor. 13:15) Do we kick against Sovereignty or love it:

God's Sovereignty in Creation and His Sustaining it:

1) God is the Creator of all things. (Genesis)
2) God sustains His creation, moment by moment.
--- Isa 42:5 Thus saith God Jehovah, he that created the heavens, and stretched them forth; he that spread abroad the earth and that which is coming out of it; he that is giving breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
--- Rev 11:11 And after the three days and a half the breath of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them that beheld them.
--- Col 1:15-16 who is the image of the invisible God (Christ), the firstborn of all creation; for in Him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him; (Note here that everything, including who is going to rule, who has authority and how things are governed, is included.)

God's Sovereignty in Providence:

1) God's eternal purpose is being worked out in time.
--- Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:
--- Ecc 3:14-15 I know that, whatsoever God is doing, it shall be for ever: nothing can be added to it, nor anything taken from it; and God hath done it, that men should fear before him. That which is has been long ago; and that which is to be has long ago been: and God is seeking again that which is passed away. (With God there is no past or future in eternity, just the ever present NOW. If we have the right concept of eternity, then this passage is easy to understand but if no proper understanding, a person reading this will be lost. Since nothing can be added and nothing can be lost, then in the case of the elect, the number saved is sure. Those adhering to "Free Grace" should rejoice at this assurance.)
--- Isa 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
--- Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create calamity. I am Jehovah, that is doing all these things.

God's Sovereignty in our Birth:

--- Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb?
--- Isa 44:2 Thus saith Jehovah that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, who will help thee: Fear not, O Jacob my servant; and thou, Jeshurun, whom I have chosen.

God's Sovereignty in Rulers:

--- Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
--- Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of Jehovah as the watercourses: He is turning it wheresoever he will.
--- John 19:10-11 Pilate therefore saith unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have authority to release thee, and have authority to crucify thee? Jesus answered him, Thou would not have any authority against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath greater sin.

God's Sovereignty in Salvation:

1) God's sovereign Purpose:
--- Acts_26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
---Rom 8:28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose.
---Rom 9:11 for the children being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that is calling,
---Ecc 11:5 As you are not knowing what is the way of the wind, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child; even so you are not knowing the work of God who is doing it all.
2) God's Sovereign Election/Divine choice:
--- Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love:
---Col 1:12-14 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light; who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
---Rom 11:7 What then? That which Israel is looking for, that he obtained it not; but the election obtained it, and the rest were hardened:
---1Th 1:4 knowing, brethren beloved of God, your election,
3) God's Sovereignty in Choice/Application:
---Rom 8:28-29 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom he foreordained, ( These first three points, Purpose, foreknowledge and predestination, are the direct results of God's eternal Love.). them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. ( The next three, Called, Justified and Glorified, are God's actions toward the Elect only.)

Finally, these verses should give all true believers reason to rejoice:

Rom 9:24-26 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved. And it shall be, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, There shall they be called sons of the living God.

For the only way that one can LOVE God, is in this way:

1Jn 4:19 We love, because He first loved us.

Could give more but out of room
 

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Bread Crumbs “Speak to that Mountain!”

The believer should not be afraid to say what he or she believes. There is a principle of scripture that proclaims the truth that a believer should declare what He believes to be the will of God. When faith is properly placed in Christ and what He has done for us at Calvary, covenant promises lie waiting to be claimed. The confession principle is proper and spiritually helpful for the kingdom of God, when the Christian is faithful to maintain the practice of denial of self and the object of their faith remains in the Cross of Christ. Salvation does not make man a “little god.” Salvation causes the believer to become a child of God who is always to be subservient to the Father. As God reveals the truth's of covenant provision to us, we as believers are called upon to claim them. Our speech does not provide the provision, the Cross did that. Instead, our proclamation is an exhibition of our faith in what God has provided for us through Christ at Calvary. Do not let the abuse of the confession principle that now exists in the body of Christ, stop you from understanding or participating in saying, claiming, even prophesying what you are daring to believe that God has prepared for you.

Mark 11:23 - For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Pastor Loren Larson
Loren Larson Ministries
when he was saying 'this mountain' which mountain did he mean. Just wondering. The temple mount? Mount zion? or mount gerazim.
 

Lanolin

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or mount of olives...?

am just picturing the mountain, maybe blowing up like a volcano, and it becoming a big crater and filling up with seawater. I dont know if Jerusalem sits ona a fault line. Its within the realm of possibility.