Would God Have us Solve Confusion of baptisms?

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GRACE_ambassador

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Grace And Peace, Precious friends. I believe this would honor HIM Very Much, and bring
us a lot closer to "Approval Unto God" by a Prayerful And Careful "study of HIS Word Of Truth,
Rightly Divided."


So, briefly, to begin, so especially new born babes In CHRIST, will be saved a lot of frustration
caused by this prevailing Confusion, let us have a brief introduction, if you will, to "starting
a class" about baptisms, because I think there a very few who have "such a thing."

I know I did not in the "churches" I went to, one "immersing me to Get Saved," found out that
wasn't True, the next, when I inquired about their teaching, giving me an Unscriptural booklet
to explain their "traditional" belief.

The next one I attended, thinking {as a book writer suggested, "he believed was The
Closest thing
to a New Testament church"}, that God Wanted me there, they re-did my
previous immersion, because "it Did Not save me, being symbolic, a supposed obedient
outward expression of an inward faith? {Do babies know Where that is in their Bible?}
= again, their "tradition" = the way they have always "done it." Thanks for patiently
listening to my experiences in H2O. :)

And, as Many of you probably know, there are other Various "traditions" of cleansing
baptisms, by "baby sprinkling, adult pouring, immersions in ONE name, others in
THREE names of God, And, "do it our way Requirement" to be a member of "our church," etc.
How do we know "which" one is actually correct? The Bible Answer will probably Shock
many.

Q: Did you know there Are Actually Thirteen baptisms in The Bible? Bet most have Never
"had a class"
on them. I was Totally Amazed after 35 years "when I Finally Found out the
Real Meaning of water baptism. Ready, Precious friend(s) {who have Not Yet "studied" this
thoroughly}?:

The Important Question, very few are sincerely and humbly asking: Does God
Require
water baptism, to be practiced Today, Under HIS Pure GRACE Dispensation?

For those who say "Yes," we have already seen above, Mass Confusion of "traditions,"
correct? But:

Have you Ever Thought: What IF "God's Answer" Was: "NO!" What would happen? Would not
ALL THE Confusion IMMEDIATELY Disappear into Oblivion? Class, are you "ready to begin,"
And, Be Very RICHLY Blessed By our Wonderful God, And, HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided?

Here is a brief lesson to get us started to thinking, or challenged, anyway:

BaptismS Scriptural SUMMARY!:

LORD JESUS, please open our hearts to ALL of Thy Truth. Amen:

Prophecy/Law: ►►► The Twelve WERE SENT to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO "Main" (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25 KJB!)
+
B) "WITH" The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18; Luke 24:49;
Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16 KJB!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Mystery/GRACE!:
►►► Paul Was NOT Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually "Identifying" members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE? OR, EQUALS TWO?
 

PennEd

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Grace And Peace, Precious friends. I believe this would honor HIM Very Much, and bring
us a lot closer to "Approval Unto God" by a Prayerful And Careful "study of HIS Word Of Truth,
Rightly Divided."


So, briefly, to begin, so especially new born babes In CHRIST, will be saved a lot of frustration
caused by this prevailing Confusion, let us have a brief introduction, if you will, to "starting
a class" about baptisms, because I think there a very few who have "such a thing."

I know I did not in the "churches" I went to, one "immersing me to Get Saved," found out that
wasn't True, the next, when I inquired about their teaching, giving me an Unscriptural booklet
to explain their "traditional" belief.

The next one I attended, thinking {as a book writer suggested, "he believed was The
Closest thing
to a New Testament church"}, that God Wanted me there, they re-did my
previous immersion, because "it Did Not save me, being symbolic, a supposed obedient
outward expression of an inward faith? {Do babies know Where that is in their Bible?}
= again, their "tradition" = the way they have always "done it." Thanks for patiently
listening to my experiences in H2O. :)

And, as Many of you probably know, there are other Various "traditions" of cleansing
baptisms, by "baby sprinkling, adult pouring, immersions in ONE name, others in
THREE names of God, And, "do it our way Requirement" to be a member of "our church," etc.
How do we know "which" one is actually correct? The Bible Answer will probably Shock
many.

Q: Did you know there Are Actually Thirteen baptisms in The Bible? Bet most have Never
"had a class"
on them. I was Totally Amazed after 35 years "when I Finally Found out the
Real Meaning of water baptism. Ready, Precious friend(s) {who have Not Yet "studied" this
thoroughly}?:

The Important Question, very few are sincerely and humbly asking: Does God
Require
water baptism, to be practiced Today, Under HIS Pure GRACE Dispensation?

For those who say "Yes," we have already seen above, Mass Confusion of "traditions,"
correct? But:

Have you Ever Thought: What IF "God's Answer" Was: "NO!" What would happen? Would not
ALL THE Confusion IMMEDIATELY Disappear into Oblivion? Class, are you "ready to begin,"
And, Be Very RICHLY Blessed By our Wonderful God, And, HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided?

Here is a brief lesson to get us started to thinking, or challenged, anyway:

BaptismS Scriptural SUMMARY!:

LORD JESUS, please open our hearts to ALL of Thy Truth. Amen:

Prophecy/Law: ►►► The Twelve WERE SENT to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO "Main" (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25 KJB!)
+
B) "WITH" The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18; Luke 24:49;
Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16 KJB!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Mystery/GRACE!:
►►► Paul Was NOT Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually "Identifying" members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE? OR, EQUALS TWO?
Welcome to CC!

I have to tell you, that was a very difficult read. Between the dozens of words and phrases in “quotation marks”, bold print, underlines, and caps, and the long time building up to get to the point, I kinda lost interest.

Maybe next time a little more brevity, and less dramatic flair.

Hope you get blessings here and aren’t offended by the critique.
 

Runningman

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Mar 4, 2020
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#3
Grace And Peace, Precious friends. I believe this would honor HIM Very Much, and bring
us a lot closer to "Approval Unto God" by a Prayerful And Careful "study of HIS Word Of Truth,
Rightly Divided."


So, briefly, to begin, so especially new born babes In CHRIST, will be saved a lot of frustration
caused by this prevailing Confusion, let us have a brief introduction, if you will, to "starting
a class" about baptisms, because I think there a very few who have "such a thing."

I know I did not in the "churches" I went to, one "immersing me to Get Saved," found out that
wasn't True, the next, when I inquired about their teaching, giving me an Unscriptural booklet
to explain their "traditional" belief.

The next one I attended, thinking {as a book writer suggested, "he believed was The
Closest thing
to a New Testament church"}, that God Wanted me there, they re-did my
previous immersion, because "it Did Not save me, being symbolic, a supposed obedient
outward expression of an inward faith? {Do babies know Where that is in their Bible?}
= again, their "tradition" = the way they have always "done it." Thanks for patiently
listening to my experiences in H2O.:)

And, as Many of you probably know, there are other Various "traditions" of cleansing
baptisms, by "baby sprinkling, adult pouring, immersions in ONE name, others in
THREE names of God, And, "do it our way Requirement" to be a member of "our church," etc.
How do we know "which" one is actually correct? The Bible Answer will probably Shock
many.

Q: Did you know there Are Actually Thirteen baptisms in The Bible? Bet most have Never
"had a class"
on them. I was Totally Amazed after 35 years "when I Finally Found out the
Real Meaning of water baptism. Ready, Precious friend(s) {who have Not Yet "studied" this
thoroughly}?:

The Important Question, very few are sincerely and humbly asking: Does God
Require
water baptism, to be practiced Today, Under HIS Pure GRACE Dispensation?

For those who say "Yes," we have already seen above, Mass Confusion of "traditions,"
correct? But:

Have you Ever Thought: What IF "God's Answer" Was: "NO!" What would happen? Would not
ALL THE Confusion IMMEDIATELY Disappear into Oblivion? Class, are you "ready to begin,"
And, Be Very RICHLY Blessed By our Wonderful God, And, HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided?

Here is a brief lesson to get us started to thinking, or challenged, anyway:

BaptismS Scriptural SUMMARY!:

LORD JESUS, please open our hearts to ALL of Thy Truth. Amen:

Prophecy/Law: ►►► The Twelve WERE SENT to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO "Main" (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25 KJB!)
+
B) "WITH" The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18; Luke 24:49;
Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16 KJB!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Mystery/GRACE!:
►►► Paul Was NOT Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually "Identifying" members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE? OR, EQUALS TWO?

I think, plainly said, water baptism effectually just gets someone wet, but that isn't the point. The point is that the reason it is done is through faith in immaterial spiritual concepts. Maybe this verse puts it better.

1 Peter 3:21-22
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Again, the water itself is meaningless. The answer of a good conscience toward God because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ means everything. It's all about faith.
 

Nehemiah6

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Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE? OR, EQUALS TWO?
There are always TWO baptisms for Christians: (1) baptism WITH the Holy Spirit which is supernatural and produces the New Birth and (2) Christian baptism by immersion in water, which is commanded by Christ for all those who are saved. This is perfectly clear in Scripture.
 

Runningman

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Mar 4, 2020
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I think, plainly said, water baptism effectually just gets someone wet, but that isn't the point. The point is that the reason it is done is through faith in immaterial spiritual concepts. Maybe this verse puts it better.

1 Peter 3:21-22
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Again, the water itself is meaningless. The answer of a good conscience toward God because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ means everything. It's all about faith.
@Blackpowderduelist what is your disagreement with 1 Peter 3:21-22?
 

oyster67

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May 24, 2014
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So, briefly, to begin, so especially new born babes In CHRIST, will be saved a lot of frustration
caused by this prevailing Confusion, let us have a brief introduction, if you will, to "starting
a class" about baptisms, because I think there a very few who have "such a thing."
Yes, their are all sorts and kinds and varieties of baptisms.

Most are either traditional rituals of particular denominations, or are ceremonies performed to aid in our understanding and remembrance of that great day when we were born again. These are all performed after Salvation and not a part of Salvation... except for one. This is the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. This occurs at the very moment one is born again and is the very thing that makes us born again. Put another way, it is being Born Again.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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@Blackpowderduelist what is your disagreement with 1 Peter 3:21-22?
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:21 ESV

Not like removing dirt from the body as in taking a bath. But an appeal to God for a clean conscience.

So not physical but spiritual cleansing.
Because you can not leave off the first statement; Baptism, correspondes to this ( the afore referenced flood that destroyed the wicked and saved the righteous, see verses 19-20) now saves you.
Not washing dirt off your body, but God washing your conscience.
 

CS1

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Grace And Peace, Precious friends. I believe this would honor HIM Very Much, and bring
us a lot closer to "Approval Unto God" by a Prayerful And Careful "study of HIS Word Of Truth,
Rightly Divided."


So, briefly, to begin, so especially new born babes In CHRIST, will be saved a lot of frustration
caused by this prevailing Confusion, let us have a brief introduction, if you will, to "starting
a class" about baptisms, because I think there a very few who have "such a thing."

I know I did not in the "churches" I went to, one "immersing me to Get Saved," found out that
wasn't True, the next, when I inquired about their teaching, giving me an Unscriptural booklet
to explain their "traditional" belief.

The next one I attended, thinking {as a book writer suggested, "he believed was The
Closest thing
to a New Testament church"}, that God Wanted me there, they re-did my
previous immersion, because "it Did Not save me, being symbolic, a supposed obedient
outward expression of an inward faith? {Do babies know Where that is in their Bible?}
= again, their "tradition" = the way they have always "done it." Thanks for patiently
listening to my experiences in H2O.:)

And, as Many of you probably know, there are other Various "traditions" of cleansing
baptisms, by "baby sprinkling, adult pouring, immersions in ONE name, others in
THREE names of God, And, "do it our way Requirement" to be a member of "our church," etc.
How do we know "which" one is actually correct? The Bible Answer will probably Shock
many.

Q: Did you know there Are Actually Thirteen baptisms in The Bible? Bet most have Never
"had a class"
on them. I was Totally Amazed after 35 years "when I Finally Found out the
Real Meaning of water baptism. Ready, Precious friend(s) {who have Not Yet "studied" this
thoroughly}?:

The Important Question, very few are sincerely and humbly asking: Does God
Require
water baptism, to be practiced Today, Under HIS Pure GRACE Dispensation?

For those who say "Yes," we have already seen above, Mass Confusion of "traditions,"
correct? But:

Have you Ever Thought: What IF "God's Answer" Was: "NO!" What would happen? Would not
ALL THE Confusion IMMEDIATELY Disappear into Oblivion? Class, are you "ready to begin,"
And, Be Very RICHLY Blessed By our Wonderful God, And, HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided?

Here is a brief lesson to get us started to thinking, or challenged, anyway:

BaptismS Scriptural SUMMARY!:

LORD JESUS, please open our hearts to ALL of Thy Truth. Amen:

Prophecy/Law: ►►► The Twelve WERE SENT to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO "Main" (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25 KJB!)
+
B) "WITH" The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18; Luke 24:49;
Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16 KJB!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From "Things That DIFFER!":

Mystery/GRACE!:
►►► Paul Was NOT Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually "Identifying" members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE? OR, EQUALS TWO?
the words in the Bible needed to be looked at in the text they are used.
Baptized, baptism, Baptizing.
 

Runningman

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Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:21 ESV

Not like removing dirt from the body as in taking a bath. But an appeal to God for a clean conscience.

So not physical but spiritual cleansing.
Because you can not leave off the first statement; Baptism, correspondes to this ( the afore referenced flood that destroyed the wicked and saved the righteous, see verses 19-20) now saves you.
Not washing dirt off your body, but God washing your conscience.
They weren't saved by the water, though. Being in Noah's ark is what saved them. They entered the ark in faith that a flood was coming. Had they not entered the ark they would have died as well.

I think the language is a little dated in the KJV, but if you investigate 1 Peter 3:20 a little deeper the meaning of "by water" means they were brought "through" the water (by Noah's ark.)

I agree with the spiritual cleansing part, that's what I said to begin with, though, in post #3: "The point is that the reason it is done is through faith in immaterial spiritual concepts."

So in your view does water baptism save you? Yes or no.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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They weren't saved by the water, though. Being in Noah's ark is what saved them. They entered the ark in faith that a flood was coming. Had they not entered the ark they would have died as well.

I think the language is a little dated in the KJV, but if you investigate 1 Peter 3:20 a little deeper the meaning of "by water" means they were brought "through" the water (by Noah's ark.)

I agree with the spiritual cleansing part, that's what I said to begin with, though, in post #3: "The point is that the reason it is done is through faith in immaterial spiritual concepts."

So in your view does water baptism save you? Yes or no.
My view is exactly as Romans 6 and Colossians 2, and 1 Peter 3, and Acts 22 says. With out any fancy interpretative hoop jumping. The writers are clear.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Ps. Yes through the water, just as those who passed through the sea were saved through the water while sinful egypt was killed in the water.
Much as when we are baptised. We go through the water and the old man is killed and is buried, and we are joined to Christ in newness of life. Just as it is written in in Romans 6.
 

GRACE_ambassador

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Welcome to CC!

I have to tell you, that was a very difficult read. Between the dozens of words and phrases in “quotation marks”, bold print, underlines, and caps, and the long time building up to get to the point, I kinda lost interest.

Maybe next time a little more brevity, and less dramatic flair.

Hope you get blessings here and aren’t offended by the critique.
Thanks so much for your kind words/welcome/critique. No offense taken -
still working on my brevity. (or, HE, Jesus, is still working on me! :))

Not a very good brief beginning, eh?
Perchance this is a little better (Matthew 19:26?), gaining back your interest?:
--------------------------------------------------------------
Will the following help us solve the confusion of water baptisms, today,
under God's GRACE? - Baptisms Scriptural Summary!:

And, Please Be Very Richly Blessed In CHRIST, And HIS Word Of Truth!:

LORD JESUS, please open our hearts to All of Thy Truth. Amen:

Prophecy/Law:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE!:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE? OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under
HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's Confusion into oblivion!?
-----------------------------------------------------
PennEd, what think ye? Thanks again, and, have a wonderful day!

Precious brother, see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫😇↑

brother Chris
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Thanks so much for your kind words/welcome/critique. No offense taken -
still working on my brevity. (or, HE, Jesus, is still working on me! :))

Not a very good brief beginning, eh?
Perchance this is a little better (Matthew 19:26?), gaining back your interest?:
--------------------------------------------------------------
Will the following help us solve the confusion of water baptisms, today,
under God's GRACE? - Baptisms Scriptural Summary!:

And, Please Be Very Richly Blessed In CHRIST, And HIS Word Of Truth!:

LORD JESUS, please open our hearts to All of Thy Truth. Amen:

Prophecy/Law:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke 24:49; Acts 2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE!:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB!)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE? OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under
HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's Confusion into oblivion!?
-----------------------------------------------------
PennEd, what think ye? Thanks again, and, have a wonderful day!

Precious brother, see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫😇↑

brother Chris
This is more readable.
 

Runningman

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#17
My view is exactly as Romans 6 and Colossians 2, and 1 Peter 3, and Acts 22 says. With out any fancy interpretative hoop jumping. The writers are clear.
Now for the all important question: are those verses, except for 1 Peter 3, talking about water baptism at all? How do we know if the word water is not mentioned and there are multiple baptism types? This can help solve the confusion with baptisms.
 

Hevosmies

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My view is exactly as Romans 6 and Colossians 2, and 1 Peter 3, and Acts 22 says. With out any fancy interpretative hoop jumping. The writers are clear.
One thing I like about you is that MOST of the times you take it for what it says, I know you are conservative Lutheran I respect that.

BUT, I would like to ask you bro bro, since you my bro you know: What about Romans where it says BURIED in baptism, how does that work with infant baptism AND sprinkling instead of immersion? Do yall got any verses defending either of those two practices?

JUST ASKING in a friendly spirit here.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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Now for the all important question: are those verses, except for 1 Peter 3, talking about water baptism at all? How do we know if the word water is not mentioned and there are multiple baptism types? This can help solve the confusion with baptisms.
I know that Jesus told the disciples the would be baptized in the Holy Ghost. That is the only context in which baptism is used in reference to receiving the Holy Ghost. For the rest of the Epistles receiving the Holy Ghost just isn't refered to in that way.
Then read the context of say Romans 6.
It is very clear that yes they are indeed speaking of water baptism. You also have 2000 years of recorded church history. That men like Polycarp, who was the disciple of John, and Ireneaus, who wrote extensively about it as they were taught. So it has only been a modern invention of certain denominations that remove water from those passages.
 
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I was baptised in water soon after being born again. I was saved in jail with no church background. I understood what I read in the bible. I was not confused. That was 40 years ago. I have never met anyone who was as confused as you were about it. I suspect that you were taught to be confused. I suggest that you leave the hyperdispensationalist teachings you are falling for and keep it simple.

The great commission still stands. "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

He meant water then and that is what they did. He means for us to keep doing this with His blessing until the end of the age.

This hyperdispensationalist no baptism in water for believer today nonsense is similar to the "free grace alliance" started out of Dallas Theological Seminary from Zane Hodges.

It is also similar to what some were calling hypergrace a while ago.

They all take scriptures that are plain to understand and force a novel explanation upon them. Not just one or two, but over and over and over again multiple easy to understand scriptures are reinterpreted with obnoxious lack of the fear of God and I question the salvation of these false teachers.

They all have this in common also; Those that spend the most time trying to convince others of these teachings are usually indulging in shocking lusts of the flesh and believe they are still saved. These novel doctrines they are inventing are for the sole purpose of allowing them to hold on to their addictions while claiming to be saved.

It's just another Gnosticism. There will be more.

The signs that you are dealing with one will be as follows:

No need for water baptism today
No need for repentance
One can reject Christ and still be saved.