Xmas

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garee

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kaylagrl said:
Pagans would not worship or bring gifts to the Christchild. The magi were not pagans. Nor was the star sent by satan. That is a JW belief. They use to celebrate Christmas then suddenly changed. The OP can tell us why I'm sure.
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I think God who is not a man as us sent the light which they called His star in the east. But whether they were worshipping the image a star or sign , coming from a previous prophecy or the Spirit of Christ I do not think it is shown.

If they were worshipping the flesh of one who had "no power" then it could be reckoned as idol worship as the use of a teraphim. Like those Rachel robbed from her father.

He was not declared the Son of God, Christ not seen by His birth. That would seem to be the wrong focus. We walk by faith the unseen and not by sight as that seen.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead

Again power by the resurrection not by the birth, a Catholic thing.
 
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kaylagrl

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garee said:
I think God who is not a man as us sent the light which they called His star in the east. But whether they were worshipping the image a star or sign , coming from a previous prophecy or the Spirit of Christ I do not think it is shown.

If they were worshipping the flesh of one who had "no power" then it could be reckoned as idol worship as the use of a teraphim. Like those Rachel robbed from her father.

He was not declared the Son of God, Christ not seen by His birth. That would seem to be the wrong focus. We walk by faith the unseen and not by sight as that seen.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead

Again power by the resurrection not by the birth, a Catholic thing.
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Wellll I'm a long way from a Catholic. They veered from the truth long ago. But I did not mean the magi were worshipping the star. They followed the star to worship Christ. Pagans wouldn't do that.

Not sure what you mean by not declared the Son of God. He was God's Son from the moment He was conceived. Am I misunderstanding you perhaps?
 
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garee

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kaylagrl said:
Yes Christmas can be sad. Over the years I have lost loved ones on or close to the season. But my parents had and still have a tradition of inviting people to Christmas dinner that have no family or are lonely on Christmas for whatever reason. We had a blind lady come to our church. No one seemed to befriend her. My parents asked her to Christmas dinner. Before long others in the church began asking her out and before long she had many offers and lots of friends. Christmas is a time to minister to the lost and hurting and we need to make sure we do just that.
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That was very kind sounds like you have a good heart for the hunting season .

I have lost a lot, married twice in a blended or trying to blend family . and suffer through the holiday not having a desire that my wife still has. I make my self available but she knows my heart is not there totally.. We usually do the gathering for the last 29 years. But this year she offered it to by son in a hope of talking the stress off of me my stepson did a great job working with his wife. .. But did not resolve my wife and I differences . Prayer is needed and a helping hand as you offered.
 
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Laish

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kaylagrl said:
Thanks brother,I was about to make my way round to that. Well said! But I do dislike his bullying and being untruthful as to why he is here. I thought that needed to be pointed out. You've done a perfect job.
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Yes he was a bully , and a deceiver from watchtower cult as you correctly pointed out . He had no right to talk to folks the way he did . Still worse was his toxic doctrine. He is not here anymore. We should pray for him to see what the scriptures really say.
Blessings
Bill
 
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kaylagrl

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garee said:
That was very kind sounds like you have a good heart for the hunting season .

I have lost a lot, married twice in a blended or trying to blend family . and suffer through the holiday not having a desire that my wife still has. I make my self available but she knows my heart is not there totally.. We usually do the gathering for the last 29 years. But this year she offered it to by son in a hope of talking the stress off of me my stepson did a great job working with his wife. .. But did not resolve my wife and I differences . Prayer is needed and a helping hand as you offered.
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I'm sorry you are suffering. I know we have three men in the family that do or have done work for both Fed Ex and UPS. Christmas is a frustrating and tiring time of year for them. They just want the season to be over while the wives and kids celebrate the holiday. It's pretty much bah humbug for them. So I do understand that it can be a hard time of year.

My grandmother came down with a brain tumor years ago. They operated on her Christmas day. Needless to say the last thing on our mind was the holiday. She was promoted to Glory not long after. This year a friend of the family found our her husband has a brain tumor,nothing can be done for him. I told her to contact me any time and that I understand what she is going through. As I have said Christmas is a time to minister. Not everyone feels happy,or at peace this time of year. We as Christians need to reach out all the more to those in need,helping and giving in any way we can. Blessings to you and yours brother.
 
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garee

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kaylagrl said:
Wellll I'm a long way from a Catholic. They veered from the truth long ago. But I did not mean the magi were worshipping the star. They followed the star to worship Christ. Pagans wouldn't do that.

Not sure what you mean by not declared the Son of God. He was God's Son from the moment He was conceived. Am I misunderstanding you perhaps?
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I was not saying that you said they worshipped the star but they could of ben worshipping the flesh of the Son of man Jesus.

Since God is not a man as us we are informed that the Son of man, Jesus in respect to his flesh profited for nothing. We look to that not seen the eternal Holy place and do not worship the things seen . He was reckoned as the Son of God which speaks of the Spirit of Christ with power because of the resurrection finished work not before as the son of man when he was conceived.

I think that is what the verse is saying a good tool when offering the gospel to the Catholics or the JW's or anyone that look to the flesh as if it was the Holy place.
 
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kaylagrl

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Laish said:
Yes he was a bully , and a deceiver from watchtower cult as you correctly pointed out . He had no right to talk to folks the way he did . Still worse was his toxic doctrine. He is not here anymore. We should pray for him to see what the scriptures really say.
Blessings
Bill
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Yes,I hope he does find the truth. Right now he doesn't wish to hear it. Sadly. I recall years ago we did a concert in Vermont. God's spirit moved in and a man was delivered from this belief. As far as I know he is still a Christian today. So there is always hope. Hoping God will soften his heart to hear the truth.
 
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kaylagrl

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garee said:
I was not saying that you said they worshipped the star but they could of ben worshipping the flesh of the Son of man Jesus.

Since God is not a man as us we are informed that the Son of man, Jesus in respect to his flesh profited for nothing. We look to that not seen the eternal Holy place and do not worship the things seen . He was reckoned as the Son of God which speaks of the Spirit of Christ with power because of the resurrection finished work not before as the son of man when he was conceived.

I think that is what the verse is saying a good tool when offering the gospel to the Catholics or the JW's or anyone that look to the flesh as if it was the Holy place.
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Yes,both Catholics and JWs need to hear the truth. I had a Mormon come to my door this Christmas. She was very kind and asked if she would come back at a better time to talk more. I was kind back and said that was fine.I laughed to myself and thought "I hope she comes back well armed"!! lol Because she is about to hear the truth of God's Word. We will see what comes of it.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Pagans would not worship or bring gifts to the Christchild. The magi were not pagans. Nor was the star sent by satan. That is a JW belief. They use to celebrate Christmas then suddenly changed. The OP can tell us why I'm sure.
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Nothing against what you wrote. But if I am not wrong, then we find before the church was foundet at pentecost either jews ore pagans/gentiles.
And we can find in the OT many pagans ore gentiles which worshipped God,
 
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bygrace

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marakorpa said:
Pray tell! Who practices divination, who are the astrologers or days gone and current, not astronomers, don't get confused, now will you. If just those three pagan practices do not put the "wise" men in place for the badge, what does?
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how foolish
 
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bygrace

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garee said:
We know why the Catholics have developed it having to do with a Queen of heaven . Hoping the flesh would profit for something.

Yes a pagan tradition seeing we are not informed to celebrate the birth . But like all oral traditions of men as private interpretations or heresies if they do not make the grace of God without effect they can be enjoyed. After time sometimes that which was enjoyed can turn sour Christmas can be a sad time for some depending on their memories.
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lol Pharisees has spoken
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The fellow's at pentecost were followers of Jesus, his own disciples. They believed in the death, and resurrection and the Lordship of Jesus.
 
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rstrats

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Any particular reason for quoting my post and then comment on other issues?
 
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