Yes the true location of the Temple has been determined. The wailing wall is undoubtedly the fortress of Antonia.

[pottersclay]

My question is why does everyone look at the animal sacrifice as the only reason the temple will be rebuilt?
There are many reasons for the temple to be rebuilt. Many.
One is the promise of Jesus to sit on David's throne. Two.. the feast and holidays to be observed now without the sacrifice but to the fulfillment of the one who was sacrificed.
Israel is God's land.. his real estate. For all nation's to come to.
The restoration on the earth after the devastation of the wars that are shown in Isaiah needs to be fulfilled.
There are many reasons for the 1000 yr period but this reason in particular will seal any doubt one might have if it's spiritual or physical.

Ready....do your homework.

Out of all the judgements the Lord has demonstrated throughout the old testament God's judgement began and ended is the place of the offence.
If Satan is to be judged after the millennium reign it is to take place on the earth of old not the new earth..
Before jesus accended he decended into the lower parts of the earth.
According to scripture hell is in the earth.
Some will say the rebellion began in heaven....and rightly so. And the first judgement was given to be cast to the earth....why...to lose his first estate being a immortal creature....time is only found on earth. That is one of the reasons
why God created the sun, moon, and stars. For seasons.
Now to the understanding of being cast into the lake of fire..... The second death.
We know that we pass from physical death to glory but without Christ you will be judged and suffer the second death.
So true with Satan losing his first estate is his first death.
Now he is judged for deceiving the nation's and is cast into hell him and all his minions.

Note: this is my theology based on what I have read on the matter. Please feel free to correct this analogy.

 

[cv5]

My question is why does everyone look at the animal sacrifice as the only reason the temple will be rebuilt?
There are many reasons for the temple to be rebuilt. Many.
One is the promise of Jesus to sit on David's throne. Two.. the feast and holidays to be observed now without the sacrifice but to the fulfillment of the one who was sacrificed.
Israel is God's land.. his real estate. For all nation's to come to.
The restoration on the earth after the devastation of the wars that are shown in Isaiah needs to be fulfilled.
There are many reasons for the 1000 yr period but this reason in particular will seal any doubt one might have if it's spiritual or physical.

Ready....do your homework.

Out of all the judgements the Lord has demonstrated throughout the old testament God's judgement began and ended is the place of the offence.
If Satan is to be judged after the millennium reign it is to take place on the earth of old not the new earth..
Before jesus accended he decended into the lower parts of the earth.
According to scripture hell is in the earth.
Some will say the rebellion began in heaven....and rightly so. And the first judgement was given to be cast to the earth....why...to lose his first estate being a immortal creature....time is only found on earth. That is one of the reasons
why God created the sun, moon, and stars. For seasons.
Now to the understanding of being cast into the lake of fire..... The second death.
We know that we pass from physical death to glory but without Christ you will be judged and suffer the second death.
So true with Satan losing his first estate is his first death.
Now he is judged for deceiving the nation's and is cast into hell him and all his minions.

Note: this is my theology based on what I have read on the matter. Please feel free to correct this analogy.

Very interesting thank you for your comments.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

That’s wrong. The Muslim temple is in the old Roman fort Antonia the wailing wall is part of that forts wall. It is not the Temple Mount as some say. Jesus said no stone would be left. Josephus when looking at the sight said the only thing visible was the fort not sign that any temple was even there was visible

The temple was utterly destroyed, and the Romans build fort Antonia on the location where the temple was, on the temple mount. Temple gone fort erected, west Wall is indeed remains of fort Antonia, which was build on the site of the ruined and removed temple. Kind of par for the course for the Romans. Any attempt to move the temple to another location is an attempt for far prophets to bolster their false prophecy.
So if Ezekiel's temple is going to be a man made/built temple, how are we gonna accomplish this river that desalinates the sea, and grow trees that produce fruit every month?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

My question is why does everyone look at the animal sacrifice as the only reason the temple will be rebuilt?
There are many reasons for the temple to be rebuilt. Many.
One is the promise of Jesus to sit on David's throne. Two.. the feast and holidays to be observed now without the sacrifice but to the fulfillment of the one who was sacrificed.
Israel is God's land.. his real estate. For all nation's to come to.
The restoration on the earth after the devastation of the wars that are shown in Isaiah needs to be fulfilled.
There are many reasons for the 1000 yr period but this reason in particular will seal any doubt one might have if it's spiritual or physical.

Ready....do your homework.

Out of all the judgements the Lord has demonstrated throughout the old testament God's judgement began and ended is the place of the offence.
If Satan is to be judged after the millennium reign it is to take place on the earth of old not the new earth..
Before jesus accended he decended into the lower parts of the earth.
According to scripture hell is in the earth.
Some will say the rebellion began in heaven....and rightly so. And the first judgement was given to be cast to the earth....why...to lose his first estate being a immortal creature....time is only found on earth. That is one of the reasons
why God created the sun, moon, and stars. For seasons.
Now to the understanding of being cast into the lake of fire..... The second death.
We know that we pass from physical death to glory but without Christ you will be judged and suffer the second death.
So true with Satan losing his first estate is his first death.
Now he is judged for deceiving the nation's and is cast into hell him and all his minions.

Note: this is my theology based on what I have read on the matter. Please feel free to correct this analogy.

David's throne was not in any temple

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The temple was utterly destroyed, and the Romans build fort Antonia on the location where the temple was, on the temple mount. Temple gone fort erected, west Wall is indeed remains of fort Antonia, which was build on the site of the ruined and removed temple. Kind of par for the course for the Romans. Any attempt to move the temple to another location is an attempt for far prophets to bolster their false prophecy.
So if Ezekiel's temple is going to be a man made/built temple, how are we gonna accomplish this river that desalinates the sea, and grow trees that produce fruit every month?

Fort Antonia was there when the temple was there. I would suggest looking up historical documents especially Josephus account of what was there when the temple was there and how it looked when it was destroyed

 

[Lanolin]

ok where are all the animals going to come from that are to be sacrificed.
Nz had banned exports live lambs to be killed back in 2003 so we arent going to be sending any.

 

[cv5]

That’s wrong. The Muslim temple is in the old Roman fort Antonia the wailing wall is part of that forts wall. It is not the Temple Mount as some say. Jesus said no stone would be left. Josephus when looking at the sight said the only thing visible was the fort not sign that any temple was even there was visible

Absolutely correct. Everybody should know this and could know this. Josephus's accounts match the conclusions of those videos and links....PERFECTLY. Its all true folks. There ignorance and prejudice is no cause to deny the obvious truth.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Fort Antonia was there when the temple was there. I would suggest looking up historical documents especially Josephus account of what was there when the temple was there and how it looked when it was destroyed

Yes fort Antonia was build by Herod to protect the temple. Antonia was destroyed along with the temple in 70 ad. My bad time line error. The red oval is around fort Antonia. You can also see the temple inside the the walls. (I know this is a drawing and not a photo)


Emperor Hadrian folded the provence into a new political entity, Syria Palaestina; and rebuilt Jerusalem - as pagan city, named Aelia Capitolina.

Jerusalem's rebranding included installing cultic statues on the Temple Mount, and building a pagan temple there for the Capitoline Triad of supreme deities - Jupiter, Juno and Minerva.

Come to think of it, the western wall could be a remain from one of the pagan temples that fell to ruin over time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes fort Antonia was build by Herod to protect the temple. Antonia was destroyed along with the temple in 70 ad. My bad time line error. The red oval is around fort Antonia. You can also see the temple inside the the walls. (I know this is a drawing and not a photo)
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Emperor Hadrian folded the provence into a new political entity, Syria Palaestina; and rebuilt Jerusalem - as pagan city, named Aelia Capitolina.

Jerusalem's rebranding included installing cultic statues on the Temple Mount, and building a pagan temple there for the Capitoline Triad of supreme deities - Jupiter, Juno and Minerva.

Come to think of it, the western wall could be a remain from one of the pagan temples that fell to ruin over time.

Again you need to read the historical records

That red circle you highlighted can not be fortress Antonia. It is way to small to hold the Roman army who were stationed in Jerusalem to maintain law and order. This is what someone thinks it looked like based on the thought the wailing wall and Temple Mount are the original sight. However if you would look at the videos and a great thread VCO opened about the third temple you will see that supposed drawing is incorrext

And again when the temple was destroyed. Fort Antonia was never touched. Josephus saw the fort which still housed the Roman army which were stationed there completely in tact. That is the wall we see today it still standa

 

[cv5]

Yes fort Antonia was build by Herod to protect the temple. Antonia was destroyed along with the temple in 70 ad. My bad time line error. The red oval is around fort Antonia. You can also see the temple inside the the walls. (I know this is a drawing and not a photo)
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Emperor Hadrian folded the provence into a new political entity, Syria Palaestina; and rebuilt Jerusalem - as pagan city, named Aelia Capitolina.

Jerusalem's rebranding included installing cultic statues on the Temple Mount, and building a pagan temple there for the Capitoline Triad of supreme deities - Jupiter, Juno and Minerva.

Come to think of it, the western wall could be a remain from one of the pagan temples that fell to ruin over time.

That model is OBSOLETE!!!!

Now known to be dead wrong.

WATCH THE VIDEO AND REALIZE YOUR ERROR.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

That model is OBSOLETE!!!!

Now known to be dead wrong.

WATCH THE VIDEO AND REALIZE YOUR ERROR.

The commentary in the video has contradictions, and circular logic. The video is wrong. Stop following what ever supports the false understanding of prophecy that has been circulated since the late 19 century.

 

[cv5]

The commentary in the video has contradictions, and circular logic. The video is wrong. Stop following what ever supports the false understanding of prophecy that has been circulated since the late 19 century.

Goodbye.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

There is not going to be another temple until heaven and earth are new and joined. This will be the temple of God.
There is no human temple that can issue forth a river that makes salt water fresh, and grows trees that near fruit monthly.

 

[Truth7t7]

You have a lot to learn grasshopper. Solomon's temple itself had the Gihon spring issuing forth directly at its location. That's why this is repeated over and over again in prophecy.

www.hope-of-israel.org/realsite.html

I have reviewed most of this it is spot on. The video is also correct. Wake up people.

You Deny The River And Tree Of Life Is Seen In Ezekiel 47:12 Below?

Your looking at exactly the same place in both Ezekiels account and John's, the (Eternal New Jerusalem)

Same River, Same Tree Of Life, Same Fruit, Same Leaves For Healing/Medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The commentary in the video has contradictions, and circular logic. The video is wrong. Stop following what ever supports the false understanding of prophecy that has been circulated since the late 19 century.

So you would rather follow men then seek the truth?

That drawing has been biblically debunked let along historically debunked. I also think Josephus. Who witnessed both the temple and the destruction should be a reliable source

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is not going to be another temple until heaven and earth are new and joined. This will be the temple of God.
There is no human temple that can issue forth a river that makes salt water fresh, and grows trees that near fruit monthly.

In other words. God is a liar

Ok. Good to know what you think

 

[Truth7t7]

Lol

He just wants to know what group closest aligns with your personal "revelation"

A sure sign of hiding is not answering that simple basic kindergarten request.

Hiding ain't God.

There is a verse in romans(not sure) that goes something like "why do you act like your knowledge is birthed inside you? You have nothing at all that was not taught you."

Christianity is a body. Made up of interconnected brethren.

IOW we need each other.

One day that will possibly resonate in you.

I have clearly shown you and every poster in this forum my belief, I have started 20 threads concerning eschatology, and you claim I'm hiding?

Jesus Christ died on the cross of Calvary for the worlds sin, I received this finished work for salvation, I'm filled with the Holy Spirit of promise and my name is written in the Lambs Book of Life.

As I have stated regarding eschatology, I'm a (Futurist) (Amillennial)

1. Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 490 days,these days will start at a future command to build a wall and street in Jerusalem to their awaited upon Messiah, 7 weeks planning, 62weeks building,the future man of sin, antichrist, the beast, will stop the building in the 70th week as the gentiles surround inhabit Jerusalem as this human man the Antichrist is revealed as the Jewish Messiah, and Christian Jesus returned, the 3.5 year tribulation starts.

2. At this very same time the (Two Witnesses) are revealed, literal prophets returned Rev 11, I believe Enoch/Elijah, and they stand before the Antichrist bringing all plagues seen in the book of Revelation as often as they will, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

3. At the end of the tribulation, the world armies move towards Jerusalem,as the two Witnesses are killed, lay dead in a Jerusalem street for 3.5 days, they rise and ascend to heaven before the world, as the final hour of earth's temptation unfolds

Jesus returns to the battle in Armageddon in fire and Final judgement, the heavens and earth are dissolved by this fire, judgement complete, the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, are revealed for eternity

There will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it will be dissolved by fire at the appearance of Jesus Christ.

(Does That Appear To Be A Person Hiding) Smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

Note: this is my theology based on what I have read on the matter. Please feel free to correct this analogy.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[cv5]

You Deny The River And Tree Of Life Is Seen In Ezekiel 47:12 Below?

Your looking at exactly the same place in both Ezekiels account and John's, the (Eternal New Jerusalem)

Same River, Same Tree Of Life, Same Fruit, Same Leaves For Healing/Medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

That's is the Millennial temple. Earthly.......physical. But the most glorious of all the earthly temples because Christ will abide there. Christ himself will build it (Zech 6:11-13).

https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...d-topics/the-predicted-millennial-temple.html

Israel will build a Great Tribulation Temple before that one is built. This is of course temporary and it all likelihood will be destroyed in the great earthquake which occurs toward the end of the GT. Really the only purpose it provides is to fulfill prophecy by being defiled.

"That which is to be anointed is not a person, but a future Temple, the Millennial Temple:
Nowhere in Holy Writ is קֹדֶשׁ קָדָשִׁים [qōḏeš qāḏāšîm] (“a most holy”) applied to the Church or to a person. . . Each of the 39 occurrences of קֹדֶשׁ קָדָשִׁים [qōḏeš qāḏāšîm] pertains to the Tabernacle, Temple (specifically the Holy of Holies), or the things of the Temple. . . A reasonable deduction from that fact is “a most holy” is the Temple. The allusion is not likely to be the Holy of Holies proper because that term almost always has the article with it."

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Whatever happened to that RED HEIFER of a few years ago.........seems those who wish to go back to animal sacrifice missed the boat on that one. (you are in BIG trouble with PETA!)

The temple destroyed in 70AD was totally destroyed. Not one stone left.

"When at last the walls were breached Titus tried to preserve the Temple by giving orders to his soldiers not to destroy or burn it. But the anger of the soldiers against the Jews was so intense that, maddened by the resistance they encountered, they disobeyed the order of their general and set fire to the Temple. There were great quantities of gold and silver there which had been placed in the Temple for safekeeping. This melted and ran down between the rocks and into the cracks of the stones. When the soldiers captured the Temple area, in their greed to obtain this gold and silver they took long bars and pried apart the massive stones. Thus, quite literally, not one stone was left standing upon another"

A temple rebuilt today would be superfluous. Christ is our perfect sacrifice......anything else offered would be sacrilege.