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[journey41]

Hi Deadflesh, thank you for answering. I have a few things to point out.

quote=Deadflesh;550896]yeah its ADAM.

the Church that never walks in covenant with JESUS. if JESUS is the LAST adam, and we are to be ONE WITH HIM. then those who never seek after that are apart of the Bablyon Whore Church(never become his true bride) so they never become his TRUE body, and never be come his true righteousness, and ONENESS IN HIM. the babylon whore is the FIRST adam.

If Adam is the first whore, then did God create a whore in the beginning? Didn't God say that it was good, when he created man? But you say it is bad! I thought that God created a male Adam, not as a female.

Adam. they STAY the first adam. False. Flesh. Carnal. Jezebel spirit = Antichrist spirit. the spirit manifests i nthe carnal. its US sitting on the throne of our heart. CLAIMING to be GOD

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The antichrist spirit did not come into the world until after Christ came. How can you say it was there before Christ? We need the church first before we have the antichrist... The word ANTICHRIST means against Christ....

you will NEVER learn spiritual thigns by watchign carnal thigns my dear dear friend. And Honeslty i dont know all to much, i have soem light, adn am currently learning, thanks to what the LORD showed me, and what the LORD led me to that HE showed othrs. here with soem links let me try to spell it out.

Cherub = symbol of the church

Didn't christ tell us to watch the world for signs? Aren't these signs carnal? Of course they are, for men can see these signs !!

Prophesies are spiritual, without the spirit you cannot understand, however, where are the prophesies coming to pass? Well, in the world, the world is carnal.

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.

Again, what are we watching for..... signs? where are these signs? In the world. What is the world? .....material...carnal.

Isaiah went to the king of tyre and called him a gardian cherub...because the king of tyre had been circumsied...but then RAISED hismelf to be LIKE GOD. He made an allusion to the king of TYRE beign the FIRST ADAM...with the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL claiming himself to BE GOD. In stead of allowing GOD to be god, adn us realyign o nthe SPIRIT(tree of Life) Right? Right! So GOd throguh Isaiah was talkign to the FLESH nature...ADAM in the man. Whci of course is controlled by Satan...but he was not callign SATAN a guardian cherub, that was spiritual language for ADAM...which is the flesh nature.

You have totally misunderstood what God is telling us here.

If you noticed Isaiah 28:14, 15.... you say this king was just a man....God is talking through Isaiah directly to Satan. It was Satan that is being addressed......Why? Simply because this king walked in the Garden of Eden.....did the human king of Tyre walk in the Garden of Eden? Did the human king of Tyre walk up and down in the midst of the stones of fire? Did this man live for over 2000 years? Is this a man or an angel God is talking to? Sounds like an angel. As far as I know, not even Adam lived for over 2000 years.

So when God is talking to the human King of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 28, You are forgetting that Satan is there with him, guiding him and working through him, so God is addressing both, but specifically Satan from verse 12 onwards.

Cherub = (Blessing) Christians----> CHERUBIMS BY ROY RICHMOND

Cherub means high ranking angel. The four beasts around God's throne are cherubs. Ezekiel chapter 1 describes these four beasts, and also in Ezekiel 10:14-15

10:15 And the cherubims (plural) were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar (babylon)

Flesh nature/sin = First adam(ironically called lucifer...ONLY ONCE) ----> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/30643-rod-gods-anger.html

This church is teaching you strange things that are not biblical, but private interpretation. The first Adam is created flesh. The second Adam, is created spirit (resurrection)

I dotn have all this properly worked out in a form that can be udnerstood cohesivly...hahah i jump around allot and have run on sentances that bore soem people...but im workign on it. But There are many spiritual picturs in the bible...you knwo this, wake up knows this...but i think you guys got caught up in the carnal, shortly after you found these thigns out...forsake the carnal...its a trap and deception. SATAN wants your eyes OFF of JESUS. our hearts need to be on HIM not anythig nelse...satan almsot got me off of HIM too, but The LORD graced me with a mother who told me to make "keep me from all deception" my daily prayer... we were warned to NOT be deiceved...meanign its possible to be. anyway..

My eyes are always on Jesus.

The false prophet is the false chruch. it IS Adam. NON sanctified and non coveantn walking Faux-church. they think that they are QUEEN allready. but they are not, they are carnal. They have time At this moment to Repent, and buy GOLD refined in the fire...but a time coems when its too late, adn they harden there hearts. If the MARK is phsycial NO ONE who has ever read revealtion will take it. But if the MArk is SPIRITUAL then MANY will be decieed into taking it..and thats what Revealtion says will ahppen, the false chruch will deacieve MANY into taking the MARK.

Well you've read it and you dont believe it? And if one is unsure or very rich, they now have this other doctrine to excuse them for taking the physical mark, and they will take it. Very interesting

Have you heard of the RFID (radio frequency I.D) That is given to animals at the moment and babies and the army and it will come to us, the population.

Have you heard the news that has been released recently? That the governments are hiring 26,000 priests & preachers to teach obedience to the coming government rules. These priests are in our churches today and are just the beginning.

God bless.

 

[Deadflesh]

Hi Deadflesh, thank you for answering. I have a few things to point out.

Hi Journey, sure, this is all new for me too.(new being few months in comparison to the 25 years of mans teaching)

If Adam is the first whore, then did God create a whore in the beginning? Didn't God say that it was good, when he created man? But you say it is bad! I thought that God created a male Adam, not as a female.

Ok, Well FIRST adam, NOW is a state. BUT to kinda clear thignsu up, God created ADAM to be 100% submitted to HIS lordship. And then gave adam the WORD. Adam dissobeyed, and though it would be ok. It knocked GODS spirt of of the throne of Adams heart and in stead is was desire, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the boastful pride of life(fruit was good for FOOD, pleasing to the EYE, and desireable to brign WISDOM) Yeah i know Eve ate the fruit, im not goign to get into it, but ADAM was RIGHT THERE WITH HER "she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it." there were still ONE right? they may have been seperate as far as in the body, but if the MAN and WIFE are ONE, they are inseperable, and have ONE husband, GOD, or JESUS...now you don't beleive Jesus is GOD, but i dont think that is a thing to debate about in this thread. So They BROKE fellowship with GOD, they Followed there own lusts, and stoped listenign to the WORD OF GOD, they listened to Satan in stead, and SELF mostly, Satan doesnt say LISTEN TO ME, Satan says think about YOU. Yeah...WE become GOD. WE can say what is GOOD, and what is EVIL and we dont have to consider GODS WORD.

So yes, MAN was GOOD when God made him. PERFECT even, I would go to say Man was spotless, and blamless, perfect. But, Through testing heart (serpent) Sined. HE FELL. HE no longer had a HUSBAND, his HUSBAND was God, not only were Adam and EVE(though she wasnt called EVE yet) ONE FLESH, they had ONE HUSBAND...GOD...and they were UNFAITHFUL becasue they folowed the LIE of Satan. hisS wORD instead of GODS WORD. They had TWO masters. See it? its one of the FIRST pictures in the bible of OUR relationship with JESUS NOW. WE must be 100% followers of HIS WORD. Not US, and not the WISPERERS(satan/demons) Those who DONT, those who feel liek they can climb in soem other way, like Zone said, those who do NOT have JESUS as there husband, are a Whore, a HArlot, they think they are a QUEEN but no, they ARE a widow, they HAVE no husband.


The antichrist spirit did not come into the world until after Christ came. How can you say it was there before Christ? We need the church first before we have the antichrist... The word ANTICHRIST means against Christ....

Hmm, Yeah? or was it REVELATION? Did it Just SUDDENLY come on to the seen? or was it ALWAYS there, and had to be REVEALED? Antichrist, doesnt only mean AGAISNT christ, it means REPLACEMENT Christ. INSTEAD OF.

Anti(Strongs G473)
1) over against, opposite to, before
2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
a) instead of



The ANTICHRIST SPirit doesnt say "i hate Jesus" in word, it instead jsut brign a different JEsus then the BIBLE talks about, the BIBLE talks about JESUS from Genesis to REvelation. the OT is shadows and pictures of him, and the NW TESTEMENT is HIM revealed. SO Antichrist spirit IS the Spirit of the WORLD its one and the same. Except the ANTI, or the REPLACEMENT CHRIST SPirit is coming as a CHRISTIAN, not an athiest, or a Jew.

1 John 4 Says EVERY SPIRIT that says Jesus christ did NOT come in the flesh is ANTICHRIST. Now it did NOT mean JEWS, they were Just unbeleivers. Who were BLINDED by GOD. it wa a spirit of SLEEP and spiritual darkness that GOD put on them. NOT the SPirit of the WORLD, NOT the Spirit of Antichrist. ANTI CHRIST preaches ANOTHER Christ. Jesus came in the FLESH. Now that is, i belive a three fold meaning. LOTS of false teachigns say that Jesus came to earth in flesh. So are they all PRO Christ? Nope!! not by along shot. Im not really goig nto get into it hear, beacause this is goig nto be long enough as it is. Its ANYONE who brings another JESUS, they say JESUS IS THE CHRIST but they bring another JESUS.

1 John 2:18 Says "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour."

Mathew 24 "For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many"

They will say JESUS IS THE CHRIST, and will deceive Many becasue they Jesus Christ they bring is a different one.

ALso Jesus in the FLESH i belive is that Jesus is in OUR Flesh. The ones who say WE DONT have to relfet JESUS. Jeus in the flesh, means that JESUS is IN US. in MIND, BODY, and spirit is suposed to be JESUS. we are ONE with him. HE is our HUSBAND. we are his WIFE. we are ONE with him. Anyway...




Didn't christ tell us to watch the world for signs? Aren't these signs carnal? Of course they are, for men can see these signs !!

JEsus said watch the WORLD? Or did he jsut say Watch and pray and Be ready? Did he say Keep your eyes on Carnal happenings? or did he say KEEP YOUR EYES ON ME, and HEAVENLY THINGS?


Prophesies are spiritual, without the spirit you cannot understand, however, where are the prophesies coming to pass? Well, in the world, the world is carnal.

Yeah in the WORLD, and men are manipulating the WORLD accoridng to mans ideas of waht the bible says to RUSH IN the messiah. But WE are not suposed to eb deceived. and ONLY the SPIRIT keeps us fro mdeception. but if we seek Our own ideas, and our own leading, and NOT the spirit, and we Choose what WE will focus on, instead of Focusing on the MASTER only...we WILL fall into decpeiton. WE can have been brought SPiritual revelation, only to then fall int odeception, becasue we NOW have an Idol in our hearts and its a stumbling block of SIN in front of your eyes(ezekiel 14:3) and you think your fine(Rich, but really poor, naked, and blind) becasue of the IDOL i nyour heart, nad MOST of the time the IDOL is SELF...infact The flood of SATANS lies, WILL make SELF lord of our lives. THATS his goal. that was his GOAL since the begining. to get our eyes OFF OF GOD, adn on to CARNAL, Lusts.no matter what your lusts be...you can lust after a christian church, or a christian book, and that can becoem your desire, and immidately its a blinder to TRUTH


Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.

Watches What? "Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak." Matthew 26:41

Again, what are we watching for..... signs? where are these signs? In the world. What is the world? .....material...carnal.

If you want on watch the carnal, and let thigns that pray on your flesh and SELF nature. That cool, But JESUS say WATCH that you are not deceived, and WATCH that you dont enter temptation. that is what we are to WATCH.

You have totally misunderstood what God is telling us here.

Maybe. And if i may have, isnt it possible that you may have too?

If you noticed Isaiah 28:14, 15.... you say this king was just a man....God is talking through Isaiah directly to Satan. It was Satan that is being addressed......Why? Simply because this king walked in the Garden of Eden.....did the human king of Tyre walk in the Garden of Eden? Did the human king of Tyre walk up and down in the midst of the stones of fire? Did this man live for over 2000 years? Is this a man or an angel God is talking to? Sounds like an angel. As far as I know, not even Adam lived for over 2000 years.

ADAM was walking in the garden and ADAM was the gurdian cherub, (did you read the link on cherubs i posted it sheds allot of light on the subject) and where did you get 2000 years from?

So when God is talking to the human King of Tyre in Ezekiel chapter 28, You are forgetting that Satan is there with him, guiding him and working through him, so God is addressing both, but specifically Satan from verse 12 onwards.

Did you read my link on Rod of anger. it adress this in deatail.


Cherub means high ranking angel. The four beasts around God's throne are cherubs. Ezekiel chapter 1 describes these four beasts, and also in Ezekiel 10:14-15

Hhaha Cherub does NOT mean "high ranking angel" First of all Angel is never called an angel ANYWHERE i nthe bible. im not talking about traditon, im talkign about i nthe BIBLE. They are ALWAYS caleld beasts. yes. and there is SO much spiritual symbolism in there, i wont get into it here. But Look at that cherub link i posted, really read it.


10:15 And the cherubims (plural) were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar (babylon)

This church is teaching you strange things that are not biblical, but private interpretation. The first Adam is created flesh. The second Adam, is created spirit (resurrection)

Symbolism. Do you knwo what symbolism is? im not trying to be sarcastic, or mean, so please i hope its not commign off that way, but besides the fact that you have ingrained teachig ni nyou tha says Cherubs are angels(never says so in the bible) they are ALWAYS in a spiritual vision. NEVER out side of SPIRITUAL VISIONS. SPIRITUAL. Can i say that a REAL cherub doesn exist...no absolutely not, i think they DO. IN ETERNITY. BUT there is three(At least) different layers to scripture. The historical, the spiritul, and the personal. Oh, and i dont get taught by "THIS CHURCH" i stumbled apon this article and it confirmed what GOD has been teaching me. I dotn even agree with all they teach. But I DO belive in Kingdom eschatology(though i hate giving thins little snazy names...its TRUTH or not...why do men like titles?...anyway) anyway.


My eyes are always on Jesus.

Thats wonderful, but dont tell me, Make sure of it. As i have to do DAILY. its not just smthing you SAY. So if they ARE then KEEP them there. Jesus said remeber lots Wife. Yes that means dont look back, or turn back...but also it means Set your face like flint. Dont look to the left, or the right. Eyes on Jesus. SO if you do this, good, STAY doign this, nad dont let anything distract you.


Well you've read it and you dont believe it? And if one is unsure or very rich, they now have this other doctrine to excuse them for taking the physical mark, and they will take it. Very interesting

Have you heard of the RFID (radio frequency I.D) That is given to animals at the moment and babies and the army and it will come to us, the population.

Have you heard the news that has been released recently? That the governments are hiring 26,000 priests & preachers to teach obedience to the coming government rules. These priests are in our churches today and are just the beginning.

Thats all wonderful do you FEAR these things? DO you not have FAITH that GOD will keep you safe from them? Again not being rude or mean, its SERIOUS becasue this is all distraction from JUST seekign MORE and MORE of JESUS. you can never have enough, We, DAILY, need to keep our eyes on HIM all this stuff is a devilsih ploy to keep your heart, mind eyes, and life OFF of JUST seeking Jesus and obeying HIM. Its a distraction tactic. EVEN IF this RFID thign DOES become mandatory. are you goign to take it? NO of course not. No matter WHAT no one who has read the Revelation(understadnign or no understadning), and been scared by moives and such, will take a phsycial Mark, but that DOES NOT mean that that person is sealed with the SEAL of GOD, either.

God bless.

May Jesus bless you as Well Journey.

 

[Ramon]

WOW JOURNEY!! Yes!! It is true what you said about the King of Tyre.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Deadflesh]

Opps. I miss-typed

"First of all Angel is never called an angel ANYWHERE i nthe bible"

That Should be CHERUB is never caleld an angel anywhere in the bible. and thats truth. They arent.

 

[AnandaHya]

DF don't like or agree with this website and think he twists scripture. I would put a red flag and check EVERYTHING he says in his articles. it is full of false doctrines and lies.

CHERUBIMS BY ROY RICHMOND

example:
2 Corinthians 5:17 If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature.
If you studied Ezekiel 1:7, you will find that these living creatures had the appearance of a man. These cherubims do not point to some kind of angelic creature; they point to a kind of man. They point to people in-Christed.

Cherubim are NOT a type of men "in Christ" any more then Satan is the Wrath of God used as a Rod of correction. both ideas are false and unbiblical and illogical.

as for Ezekiel 1:7
7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves’ feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze.

mmm if you read the WHOLE chapter it does NOT give you the impression that Cherubim are MEN.

2 Samuel 22
7 In my distress I called upon the LORD,
And cried out to my God;
He heard my voice from His temple,
And my cry entered His ears.

8 “Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of heaven quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.

9 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.

10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.

11 He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
And He was seen[c] upon the wings of the wind.

Cherubim fly and are part of the Heavenly host. Rather you call them angels or not does not matter for angels are words for Messangers and you are correct Cherubim are more like the personal elite that surround the Lord.

I might not have all the answers but I am extremely wary of any website that has so many blatant lies in its posts.

 

[Deadflesh]

DF don't like or agree with this website and think he twists scripture. I would put a red flag and check EVERYTHING he says in his articles. it is full of false doctrines and lies.

CHERUBIMS BY ROY RICHMOND

example:
2 Corinthians 5:17 If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature.
If you studied Ezekiel 1:7, you will find that these living creatures had the appearance of a man. These cherubims do not point to some kind of angelic creature; they point to a kind of man. They point to people in-Christed.

Cherubim are NOT a type of men "in Christ" any more then Satan is the Wrath of God used as a Rod of correction. both ideas are false and unbiblical and illogical.

as for Ezekiel 1:7
7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves’ feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze.

mmm if you read the WHOLE chapter it does NOT give you the impression that Cherubim are MEN.

2 Samuel 22
7 In my distress I called upon the LORD,
And cried out to my God;
He heard my voice from His temple,
And my cry entered His ears.

8 “Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of heaven quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.

9 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.

10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.

11 He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
And He was seen[c] upon the wings of the wind.

Cherubim fly and are part of the Heavenly host. Rather you call them angels or not does not matter for angels are words for Messangers and you are correct Cherubim are more like the personal elite that surround the Lord.

I might not have all the answers but I am extremely wary of any website that has so many blatant lies in its posts.

Its not lies sweetheart. i promise you ASK GOD. Truly, dont get offended its HEAVY i know MEATY. but now is the tiem to eat meat, so we can GROW. There are SPIRITUAL reasosn for EVERYHTIGN that GOD did. if you read that studdy, even if you JUST read the FIRST page, (of 8) a few tiems and the read it in the bible, the REASON for WHY they are what they are is a SPIRITUAL picture. The BIBLE has MANY layers of meanign, and there is ALLOT of SPiritual thigns that were NEVER taught. I KNOW that it sounds crazy, but its Truth. this IS the meat of the WORD. Seek it out with the LORD. I promise you you will be shown thigns. Dotn take mans word, even MINE for anything Seek JESUS to take you out of all deception, ask HIM to lead you into aLL truth. Im CERTAIN as we do this we WILL see the same thigns, son YOU may even have thigns to teach me. ALLOT of the POPULAR teachigns are false, and have allready BEEN twisted.

TO quote this article:


Today we are going to begin to lay a foundation to identify what these cherubims actually point to. This is the next mention after Genesis 3:24. In Exodus 25, God revealed to Moses the pattern for building His house. The first piece of furniture was the ark of the covenant and the mercy seat.

• Exodus 25:17,18 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

We see here that the cherubims were in the mercy seat.

• Exodus 25:19,20 And make on cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

The cherubims were in the mercy seat and were made of the mercy seat. Three things that I saw in this that I want to bring out:

1. They were said to be in the mercy seat;
2. They were said to be of the mercy seat;
3. They were said to be constantly be facing toward the mercy seat.

Let's identify the typology of the mercy seat. The mercy seat was the lid of the ark of the covenant. The glory of God came to dwell in the midst of those cherubims on the mercy seat. The little box (the mercy seat) spoke to us typically of the presence of God that does reside somewhere today.

• Hebrews 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat.

The word translated mercy seat is the same Greek word translated in Romans 3:25 propitiation.

• Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood…

This tells us the typology and reveals to us by the spirit the typology of the mercy seat, because it is saying that Jesus is who God has set forth to be a mercy seat. Jesus is our mercy seat. If you went behind the veil and saw the mercy seat, what was on the mercy seat? The blood of the slain offering. Through the shedding of His blood we have redemption.



When we look at the construction of the mercy seat, we discover that cherubims were in the mercy seat. Cherubims were of the mercy seat. Cherubims looked at the mercy seat. They covered the mercy seat, and the mercy seat is Jesus. We are trying to understand what the cherubims are. First of all, cherubims could not be angels, because angels are not in Christ. People are in Christ.


It was a FUTURE prophesy of US made in a phsyical ark. Just like the TEMPLE was a shadow, the LAW was a shadow, ALL shadows, ALL pictures. of the SPIRIT. EVEN man and WOMAN are phsycial shadows of the SPRIITUAL. Shadows and pictures. I know this is meaty, and HEAVY, but as you get this LOTS of other thigns will pop open. Im certain this is truth.

 

[Deadflesh]

Barnes comentary on Ezekiel 1:7

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

The "foot" seems here to mean the lower part of the leg, including the knee, and this was "straight," i. e. upright like a man's. The "sole" is the "foot" as distinguished from the "leg," the leg terminated in a solid calf's hoof. This was suitable for a being which was to present a front on each of its four sides. Ezekiel was living in a country on the walls of whose temples and palaces were those strange mixed figures, human heads with the bodies of lions and the feet of calves, and the like, which we see in the Babylonian and Assyrian monuments. These combinations were of course symbolic, and the symbolism must have been familiar to Ezekiel. But the prophet is not constructing his cherubim in imitation of these figures, the Spirit of God is revealing forms corresponding to the general rules of eastern symbolism.