Zechariah 12:10

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zone

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Acts 2


4 Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit

5 There were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 When this sound occurred, a crowd came together and was confused because each one heard them speaking in his own language.


36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah!”






37 When they heard this, they came under deep conviction[m] and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles: “Brothers, what must we do?”

41 So those who accepted his message were baptized, and that day about 3,000 people were added to them.
like....what up with the skipping over the GREATEST TIME in the History of da World?
not understanding. not computing.
how CLEAR must it be?
 

zone

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Hosea 6:1-3: Come, and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight. Let us know, Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord. His going forth is established as the morning; He will come to us like the rain, Like the latter and former rain to the earth"
hosea was an OT prophet katy.
he was looking to Christ!
not the State of Israel 2000 years later.




2. Primarily, in type, Israel's national revival, in a short period ("two or three" being used to denote a few days, Isa 17:6; Lu 13:32, 33); antitypically the language is so framed as to refer in its full accuracy only to Messiah, the ideal Israel (Isa 49:3; compare Mt 2:15, with Ho 11:1), raised on the third day (Joh 2:19; 1Co 15:4; compare Isa 53:10). "He shall prolong His days." Compare the similar use of Israel's political resurrection as the type of the general resurrection of which "Christ is the first-fruits" (Isa 26:19; Eze 37:1-14; Da 12:2).

live in his sight-enjoy His favour and the light of His countenance shining on us, as of old; in contrast to Ho 5:6, 15, "Withdrawn Himself from them."
JFBBC

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After two days will he revive - Such is his power that in two or three days he can restore us. He can realize all our hopes, and give us the strongest token for good.

In the third day he will raise us up - In so short a time can he give us complete deliverance. These words are supposed to refer to the death and resurrection of our Lord; and it is thought that the apostle refers to them, 1 Corinthians 15:4 : "Christ rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures;" and this is the only place in the Scriptures, i.e., of the Old Testament, where his resurrection on the third day seems to be hinted at. The original, יקמנו yekimenu, has been translated, he will raise him up. Then they who trusted in him could believe that they should be quickened together with him.

And we shall live in his sight - His resurrection being a proof of theirs.
Clarke

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After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

After two days will He revive us (or quicken us, give us life,) in the third day He will raise us up - The Resurrection of Christ, and our resurrection in Him and in His Resurrection, could not be more plainly foretold. The prophet expressly mentions "two days," after which life should be given, and a "third day, on" which the resurrection should take place. What else can this be than the two days in which the Body of Christ lay in the tomb, and the third day, on which He rose again, as "the Resurrection and the life" John 11:25, "the first fruits of them that slept" 1 Corinthians 15:20, the source and earnest and pledge of our resurrection and of life eternal? The Apostle, in speaking of our resurrection in Christ, uses these self-same words of the prophet; "God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love wherewith He loved us - hath quickened us together with Christ, and hath raised us up and made us to sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" Ephesians 2:4-6.
Barnes

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zone

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this whole notion that BECAUSE jews around the world and in Palestine are SINNERS who reject Christ: that therefore nullifies or postpones the Work of Christ....it all just reeks of Idolatry.

it's like The whole New Testament never ever happened!
cuz people who identify as jews are sinners.






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Zechariah 12:8-9 fulfilled.

Chronology first.
Zech written around 520-518 BC
Nehemiah written around 445-430 BC
Ezra 7-9 written around 458 BC

Zech 12
[SUP]8 [/SUP]In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of theLord before them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Let's break it down.
1. Lord will defend inhabitants of Jerusalem. Verse 8
2. Feeble will become like David, and house of David like God. Verse 8
3. Seek to destroy nations that come against Jerusalem. Verse 9

The condition of Jerusalem/Judah in beginning of Nehemiah
1.Exiles in great trouble/distress. Nehemiah 1:3
2.Jeursalem without walls. Nehemiah 1:3
3.Jeruslaem in trouble, ruined, without gates. Nehemiah 2:17


They clearly need protection and intervention by God.
Not only because of that, but because of more.


1.Arabs, Ammonites, Ashdodites, Tobiah, and Sanballat were furious and plotted against Jerusalem to attack it. Nehemiah 4:7-8
2.Enemies threatened Jerusalem and rebuilding of the wall. Nehemiah 4:11
3.Whereever the Jews turned the enemies were upon them. Nehemiah 4:12

So that's the condition and threat.
That's where Zech 12:8-10 come in.

1. Lord will defend inhabitants of Jerusalem. Verse 8

A. God frustrated their attack Nehemiah 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When our enemies heard that we knew their scheme and that God had frustrated it, every one of us returned to his own work on the wall. [SUP]16 [/SUP]From that day on, half of my men did the work while the other half held spears, shields, bows, and armor. The officers supported all the people of Judah,

B. God described as fighting for them. Nehemiah 4:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherever you hear the trumpet sound, rally to us there. Our God will fight for us!

C. Surrounding nations intimidated and lost confidence. Everyone saw this as an accomplishment of God. Nehemiah 6:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]When all our enemies heard this, all the surrounding nations were intimidated and lost their confidence,[SUP][f][/SUP] for they realized that this task had been accomplished by our God.

2. Feeble will become like David, and house of David like God. Verse 8

A. Those once living in distress now played the instruments of King David. Nehemiah 12:36
as well as his relatives—Shemaiah, Azarel, Milalai, Gilalai, Maai, Nethanel, Judah, and Hanani, with the musical instruments of David, the man of God.

B. Inhabitants of Jerusalem no longer in distress, now their rejoicing heard by those far away. Nehemiah 12:43
[SUP]43 [/SUP]On that day they offered great sacrifices and rejoiced because God had given them great joy. The women and children also celebrated, and Jerusalem’s rejoicing was heard far away.

3. Seek to destroy nations that come against Jerusalem. Verse 9

A. King Artaxerxes through the influence of God, granted Ezra the power to give extreme punishment to anyone who opposed God.

Ezra 7 [SUP]25 [/SUP]And you, Ezra, according to[SUP][h][/SUP] God’s wisdom that you possess, appoint magistrates and judges to judge all the people in the region west of the Euphrates who know the laws of your God and to teach anyone who does not know them. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Anyone who does not keep the law of your God and the law of the king, let a fair judgment be executed against him, whether death, banishment, confiscation of property, or imprisonment.


[SUP]27 [/SUP]Praise Yahweh the God of our fathers, who has put it into the king’s mind to glorify the house of the Lord in Jerusalem,
These books all agree that this is speaking of Christ's second coming. Katy-follower is correct.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Hard Sayings of the Bible
Jaimeson – Fausset – Brown Commentary
Matthew Henry - Unabridged
Preachers Outline and Sermon Bible
Teachers Commentary
Life Application Bible Notes
Scofield's Study Notes
Thompson Chain-Marginal Notes

Proverbs 11:14[SUP]14[/SUP] Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.


Proverbs 15:22[SUP]22[/SUP] Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

No big red type required.

 

zone

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These books all agree that this is speaking of Christ's second coming. Katy-follower is correct.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Hard Sayings of the Bible
Jaimeson – Fausset – Brown Commentary
Matthew Henry - Unabridged
Preachers Outline and Sermon Bible
Teachers Commentary
Life Application Bible Notes
Scofield's Study Notes
Thompson Chain-Marginal Notes

Proverbs 11:14[SUP]14[/SUP] Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.


Proverbs 15:22[SUP]22[/SUP] Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

No big red type required.

actually, no they dont
youre misrepresenting some of them.

back later on this.

why am i bothering:rolleyes:
maybe i wont.
maybe its Gods Judgment

DISPENSATIONALISM IS A NONCHRISTIAN CULT.

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because big red letters are fun
 
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I hope when you're "back later on this", that you will have the notes to prove it........ I have mine. I just didn't want to post them all and take up a whole lot of space. We'll see who's misrepresenting. ;)
 

zone

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I hope when you're "back later on this", that you will have the notes to prove it........ I have mine. I just didn't want to post them all and take up a whole lot of space. We'll see who's misrepresenting. ;)
i have decided not to waste my time engaging you on this or other matters.
you are not interested in anything other than what you are doing and believing.

do whatcha want stephen.

goot luk wit all dat pente stuff.
and the dispie stronghold that goes with it.
a doublewhammy for you.

cant help ya
 
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1still_waters

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These books all agree that this is speaking of Christ's second coming. Katy-follower is correct.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Hard Sayings of the Bible
Jaimeson – Fausset – Brown Commentary
Matthew Henry - Unabridged
Preachers Outline and Sermon Bible
Teachers Commentary
Life Application Bible Notes
Scofield's Study Notes
Thompson Chain-Marginal Notes

Proverbs 11:14[SUP]14[/SUP] Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.


Proverbs 15:22[SUP]22[/SUP] Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

No big red type required.

SO.

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1still_waters

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These books all agree that this is speaking of Christ's second coming. Katy-follower is correct.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Hard Sayings of the Bible
Jaimeson – Fausset – Brown Commentary
Matthew Henry - Unabridged
Preachers Outline and Sermon Bible
Teachers Commentary
Life Application Bible Notes
Scofield's Study Notes
Thompson Chain-Marginal Notes

Proverbs 11:14[SUP]14[/SUP] Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.


Proverbs 15:22[SUP]22[/SUP] Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

No big red type required.

Did someone just toss some traditions of men at me without actually comparing scripture with scripture?:O

Traditions of men....tsk tsk tsk.
 
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1still_waters

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These books all agree that this is speaking of Christ's second coming. Katy-follower is correct.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary
Hard Sayings of the Bible
Jaimeson – Fausset – Brown Commentary
Matthew Henry - Unabridged
Preachers Outline and Sermon Bible
Teachers Commentary
Life Application Bible Notes
Scofield's Study Notes
Thompson Chain-Marginal Notes

Proverbs 11:14[SUP]14[/SUP] Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.


Proverbs 15:22[SUP]22[/SUP] Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

No big red type required.

Aren't most of those dispensational and/or futurist resources?

This is like a Yankees fan talking to a Mets fan.
The Yankees fan points to ten Yankees fans and says, "See they all think the Yankees will win it all this year. You're wrong Mets fan."
 
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nathan3

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The Companion Bible ( E W Bullinger ) has many notes. It could help. There's no way I could post all the notes. Maybe I will try to post one page from it For this verses . But, I can't give the rest , for the other chapters. Just too much work, and my computer/internet is slow.
 
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Ariel82

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We will run into problems if we choose our (eschatology) view as priority over scripture. This is what the cults do and this is what believers can fall into the trap of doing. You're free to continue believing that all prophecies were fulfilled in the past, but you're in danger of using and abusing scripture, twisting them to fit with your personal view, because the reality is you will only see what you choose to see, rather than what the scriptures actually say.
ever think to apply those words to your own view on scripture?

just a suggestion.

try reading the scriptures WITHOUT inserting a future Israel but just to see if that Zech 12: 10 could actually be Fulfilled by Acts 2.

would color coding it help you?

[h=3]Zechariah 12:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.



Acts 2


4 Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit

5 There were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6 When this sound occurred, a crowd came together and was confused because each one heard them speaking in his own language.


36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah!”

37 When they heard this, they came under deep conviction[m] and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles: “Brothers, what must we do?”

41 So those who accepted his message were baptized, and that day about 3,000 people were added to them.
 
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Aren't most of those dispensational and/or futurist resources?

This is like a Yankees fan talking to a Mets fan.
The Yankees fan points to ten Yankees fans and says, "See they all think the Yankees will win it all this year. You're wrong Mets fan."
Actually, they're the first ones in order where I found this Scripture represented at all on my Bible software:p
 
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Should I listen to all of these, or should I listen to the two of you?
 
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1still_waters

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Actually, they're the first ones in order where I found this Scripture represented at all on my Bible software:p
My Bible software is between my ears. :p
 
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nathan3

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Some notes:


The notes are on the right. The numbers in bold ; next to each note, indicate the verse the notes belongs to.




To magnify screen : press & hold Ctrl : then press the + ( addition symbol ) To magnify...

 
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