Zionism among the Evangelicals is contradicted by Scripture
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One can read all the scripture concerning the chastisement of Israel without recognising the complete cycle.
God is chastising Israel to repentance and he tells us in scripture that they will repent.
He does the same with other nations. If you read the latter-days prophecy concerning the punishment of Egypt- Isaiah 19,
it goes on for many verses about Egypt's chastisement. But God is working to bring The Egyptians to repentance, if we do not
get bogged down in the chastisements permanently & read through to the end we will read one of the most beautiful prophecies
in the entire The Bible.
And we see the heart of God Almighty for Jews and Gentiles. This is one of my favourite chapters anywhere in scripture.
Isaiah 19
22 The Lord will strike Egypt with a plague; he will strike them and heal them. They will turn to the Lord,
and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians
to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together.
24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth.
25 The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, ‘Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork,
and Israel my inheritance.’
God is chastising Israel to repentance and he tells us in scripture that they will repent.
He does the same with other nations. If you read the latter-days prophecy concerning the punishment of Egypt- Isaiah 19,
it goes on for many verses about Egypt's chastisement. But God is working to bring The Egyptians to repentance, if we do not
get bogged down in the chastisements permanently & read through to the end we will read one of the most beautiful prophecies
in the entire The Bible.
And we see the heart of God Almighty for Jews and Gentiles. This is one of my favourite chapters anywhere in scripture.
Isaiah 19
22 The Lord will strike Egypt with a plague; he will strike them and heal them. They will turn to the Lord,
and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians
to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together.
24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth.
25 The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, ‘Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork,
and Israel my inheritance.’
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oh dear... hope i don't upset anyone... 
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His prized possession out of all peoples on the face of the earth. (Deut 7:6)
but see what Peter says?
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. (1 Pet 2:9)
with apostolic authority and under the inspiration of the Spirit Peter tells us this. is he writing to Jews? i don't think so, because he goes on to say:
Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (v10)
it's not a replacement!! it's an addition.
believing Jews and believing gentiles; all one people of God.
For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God. (2 Cor 1:20)
i take this to mean ALL God's promises are fulfilled in Christ, and received in Christ. no other way.
please don't kick me out, because i love you all so very much.
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His prized possession out of all peoples on the face of the earth. (Deut 7:6)
but see what Peter says?
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. (1 Pet 2:9)
with apostolic authority and under the inspiration of the Spirit Peter tells us this. is he writing to Jews? i don't think so, because he goes on to say:
Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (v10)
it's not a replacement!! it's an addition.
believing Jews and believing gentiles; all one people of God.
For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God. (2 Cor 1:20)
i take this to mean ALL God's promises are fulfilled in Christ, and received in Christ. no other way.
please don't kick me out, because i love you all so very much.
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A little google info
525,949,920 Minutes (Source: https://calculat.io/en/date/converter/minutes--1000--years)
How many people are on Earth 2023?
The projected world population on Jan. 1, 2023, is 7,942,645,086, an increase of 73,772,634, or 0.94%, from New Year's Day 2022. During January 2023, 4.3 births and 2.0 deaths are expected worldwide every 1 second.Dec 29, 2022
What kind of time does one have for audience with Jesus ? Today, now we all have full access to our Lord !
In these religions and others, God is considered extraordinarily powerful. God is sometimes described as omnipotent, meaning all-powerful; omniscient, meaning all-knowing; and omnipresent, meaning present everywhere at all times. May 11, 2022
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Some folks believe He will lower Himself again to human like to be an earthly king. I dont. He is the King of all Glory the King of Kings!
Mic 4:6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
Mic 4:7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
525,949,920 Minutes (Source: https://calculat.io/en/date/converter/minutes--1000--years)
How many people are on Earth 2023?
The projected world population on Jan. 1, 2023, is 7,942,645,086, an increase of 73,772,634, or 0.94%, from New Year's Day 2022. During January 2023, 4.3 births and 2.0 deaths are expected worldwide every 1 second.Dec 29, 2022
What kind of time does one have for audience with Jesus ? Today, now we all have full access to our Lord !
In these religions and others, God is considered extraordinarily powerful. God is sometimes described as omnipotent, meaning all-powerful; omniscient, meaning all-knowing; and omnipresent, meaning present everywhere at all times. May 11, 2022
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Some folks believe He will lower Himself again to human like to be an earthly king. I dont. He is the King of all Glory the King of Kings!
Mic 4:6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;
Mic 4:7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
Heb_12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
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Being human , like when the teenager says "But Mom every one is doing it "
They wanted a king the high priests were not enough so God gave them what they wanted letting them learn His ways are better. We sometimes do the same with our kids.
1Sa 8:5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
1Sa 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
So they had the kings even David and Solomon . Some were just plain ol nasty .
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God
We once again have a High Priest Our Lord and Saviour . No longer the pattern but the real thing.
Heb_8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
They wanted a king the high priests were not enough so God gave them what they wanted letting them learn His ways are better. We sometimes do the same with our kids.
1Sa 8:5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
1Sa 8:6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
So they had the kings even David and Solomon . Some were just plain ol nasty .
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God
We once again have a High Priest Our Lord and Saviour . No longer the pattern but the real thing.
Heb_8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
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Ok then we are on the same page. I have only been arguing that dispensationalism is wrong due to failure to recognize that there is only one kingdom of God, one gospel by which all must be saved, and that the nonHebrew Christian church is grafted into the one tree. The Hebrews who are of faith and the non hebrew of the faith are the same body.
Ive been accused of all manner of garbage because i make this stand.
Its not replacement to be grafted in, even if some of the natural branches are cut off. The tree remains .
Ive been accused of all manner of garbage because i make this stand.
Its not replacement to be grafted in, even if some of the natural branches are cut off. The tree remains .
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oh dear... hope i don't upset anyone...
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His prized possession out of all peoples on the face of the earth. (Deut 7:6)
but see what Peter says?
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. (1 Pet 2:9)
with apostolic authority and under the inspiration of the Spirit Peter tells us this. is he writing to Jews? i don't think so, because he goes on to say:
Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (v10)
it's not a replacement!! it's an addition.
believing Jews and believing gentiles; all one people of God.
For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God. (2 Cor 1:20)
i take this to mean ALL God's promises are fulfilled in Christ, and received in Christ. no other way.
please don't kick me out, because i love you all so very much.
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His prized possession out of all peoples on the face of the earth. (Deut 7:6)
but see what Peter says?
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. (1 Pet 2:9)
with apostolic authority and under the inspiration of the Spirit Peter tells us this. is he writing to Jews? i don't think so, because he goes on to say:
Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. (v10)
it's not a replacement!! it's an addition.
believing Jews and believing gentiles; all one people of God.
For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ. And so through Him, our “Amen” is spoken to the glory of God. (2 Cor 1:20)
i take this to mean ALL God's promises are fulfilled in Christ, and received in Christ. no other way.
please don't kick me out, because i love you all so very much.
I realize some people do actually have to be kicked out. But we should never as Christians allow differences of opinion to come between us. We should always be ready to forgive. Someone needs to do a thread on forgiveness, apparently people don't read the Word when it comes to that subject. I have said before I have friends of different denominations that don't believe exactly as I do. We never let it come between our friendship. In ministry I traveled in all denominations and made wonderful friends. So I don't understand why CC is so difficult in this area.
I believe we are all one family, some of us have been grafted in or adopted. I don't believe Jews are saved any other way. But I do believe God made some promises before we got grafted in and that He will keep them. Every time I speak on this subject I get so much anger and push back ( I don't mean you) and I have to wonder why. I don't believe that everyone that doesn't believe my way is Antisemitic, but the Replacement Theology, under many different names is Antisemitic. If I quoted some of the church fathers you'd understand what I mean.
God called out a people and chose them to be the line Christ came from. The Jews were to be the ones to spread the Gospel, they didn't do that. So God blinded them for a time. He turned then to the Gentiles to spread the Good News and they have. But God said His call is irrevocable and the promises He made were unconditional and everlasting. So that means those promises need to be kept because we know God is not a liar. Him keeping His promises to them should not offend or anger us in any way. In fact it should encourage us!
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This is the second thread that brought to mind the idea some have that seems to me portrays God's love is as fickle as man's. He loves us today; He hates us tomorrow... or is it He hates us today: He loves us tomorrow...
Sorry, I'm "stuck" on your honeybee fact. I never knew that. That sure is a lot of work for that little amount. I have a whole new respect for them. lol
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