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1Cor 10:8 . . Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them
committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

That event took place at Num 25:1-9. The fornication he's talking about
wasn't believers with believers. It was believers with unbelievers. In other
words; Christ's followers need to avoid getting romantic with unbelievers lest
unbelievers lead his followers down the primrose path into something
shameful and very unbecoming.

"Do not be misled: Bad company corrupts good character." (1Cor 15:33)
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1Cor 10:9 . .We should not test The Lord, as some of them did-- and were
slain by snakes.

That event took place at Num 21:5-9.

The obvious lesson is that it's not a good idea to complain about the quality
of God's providence.
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1Cor 10:10 . . And do not grumble, as some of them did-- and were killed
by the destroying angel.

That incident took place at Num 14:2-38. The "grumbling" grew into a pretty
large anti-God protest. Anon it became violent and within a hair's breadth of
culminating in Joshua's and Caleb's assassination. That was a very grave
moment in Israel's history.

Anyway, Moses' people were of the opinion that God had led them out of the
frying pan into the fire by assigning them an impossible task; one that would
result in everybody's deaths had they attempted to obey His orders; viz: a
suicide mission. Joshua and Caleb tried to convince them it wasn't a suicide
mission; and that with God on their side; they would not only survive; but
easily succeed. They refused to listen; and thus became resolutely
insubordinate.

Now; the obvious fatal error in their thinking was simply a lack of belief that
God would assist them to conquer the land. In point of fact, they didn't
believe God was able to in spite of all His amazing displays of supernatural
power in rescuing them from Egyptian slavery; and that's what made their
unbelief all the more inexcusable. Most of us today have never seen God in
action; we've only heard tell of His exploits; but Moses' people were
eyewitnesses.

Putting this in a modern context:

New Christians are often led to believe that accepting Christ will improve
their mood and remedy their circumstances. Well; apparently somebody
neglected to tell them that they would have to fight for it, i.e. in order to
obtain the fruit of the Spirit spoken of at Gal 5:22-23 they would have to
knuckle down and live a life pleasing to both God and Christ; viz: comply
with their wishes. (John 14:23, John 15:11)

I'm sure you can see how easy it would be for a new Christian to become
disillusioned, disappointed, and somewhat bitter at being seemingly tricked
into something that turns out to be too good to be true-- then they get to
complaining that a number of Christ's commandments are too difficult;
nobody can keep them so what's the point in even trying.

Well; that complaint is reasonable, I'll admit; but it's also insubordinate; and
worse; it's contagious. If they want to give up trying to comply with The
Lord's wishes; fine; but they really ought to keep their discontent with his
wishes to themselves in order to avoid kindling large-scale rebellion and
discontent in the ranks.
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1Cor 10:11-12 . .These things happened to them as examples and were
written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has
come. So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!

Their substandard walk with God didn't bring about the return of Moses'
people to Egypt; no, "once saved always saved" applied to them as well as
to us. However, their conduct did cause them to "fall" that is: fall out of
favor with God.

That's a risk even for born-again Christians whose destiny in heaven is a
sure thing; iron clad and set in concrete. The good shepherd's sheep will
never again be in danger of eternal suffering; but they are always in danger
of losing out on the benefits of providence due to conduct unbecoming.
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1Cor 10:14 . .Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.

There's that word "flee" again; which in many of its applications in the New
Testament means to run for your life. So you can see that idolatry can have
very serious consequences.

There's more to idolatry than just bowing and/or praying to sculpture and
art. It's possible to be an idolater without even being especially religious.

"Don't be greedy for the good things of this life; for that is idolatry." (Col
3:5)

Greed then, is one of the characteristics of an idolater. In other words:
idolatry is a personality issue rather than only a religious issue. Even
atheists qualify as idolaters if they have a greedy personality; e.g. Wall
Street's investment bankers and commodities traders. Their "golden calf" is
profit.

It's okay to want the good things in life: after all; God has given us richly all
things to enjoy (1Tim 6:17). It's the insatiable desire for good things that
makes people idolaters; in other words avarice; which is never content; no,
avarice always wants more, more, more, more, and then some. Nowhere is
that more rampant than corporate greed which will walk over the dead
bodies of its employees if that's what it takes for a better quarterly report.

I'm not exaggerating. Made-in-China goods merchant WALMART used to
take out life insurance policies on its employees-- not for the families; but
for itself. In other words; it named itself the beneficiary on those employee
life insurance policies so that when one died, they recovered some of the
wages and benefits they had to pay the employee while they were alive and
working for them.

The policies are called COLI (corporate-owned life insurance) policies. But
they're better known in the insurance industry as "dead peasant" and/or
"dead janitor" policies. WALMART isn't the only big business doing this sort
of thing. An attorney for the Hartford Life Insurance Co. estimates that one
fourth of the Fortune 500 companies have them, which cover the lives of
between 5 million and 6 million workers. COLI policies seem to me a
ghoulish way to make a buck; but then it should surprise no one that
idolaters have no sensibilities to speak of seeing as how they revere not
God, but rather the power, the prestige, and the comforts of wealth.
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1Cor 10:24 . . Nobody should seek only his own good, but also the good of
others.

That's not saying it's wrong to seek your own good; just wrong to seek it at
the expense of another's good; viz: selfish ambition might be an acceptable
modus operandi in professional sports, politics, and big business; but it's
totally unacceptable in one's association with their fellow Christians. And
there is nothing new in that; I mean after all; it's just another way of
expressing the so-called golden rule; which states: "All things whatsoever ye
would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law
and the prophets. (Matt 7:12)

It's interesting to note that if people weren't so hard-hearted; there would
be no need for laws that force people to do right by their fellow man.

I once took a city slicker friend out shooting in the Oregon woods with a
cowboy style six-gun. In typical wrangler fashion he yelled yahoo and fired
the six-gun up into the air before I could stop him. It then became
necessary for me to remind my friend that bullets eventually come down and
can quite possibly hit someone off in the distance; maybe even a child.

Drive-by shooters know this, but they're typically psychopathic so it's to be
expected they don't care where their bullets go. However, I should hope no
Christian reading this is psychopathic; but will think about their words and
actions before those words and actions impact an innocent person's life in a
way that's not easily repaired.
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1Cor 10:25-26 . . Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising
questions of conscience, for the earth is The Lord's, and everything in it.

Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to no one
how He goes about managing it; then what He says goes because nobody
can stop Him from making and/or enforcing whatever rules He wishes.

Whether God's rules are loving, moral, just, and/or right and wise is
irrelevant. It's as futile to criticize lightening for being so bright, and thunder
for being so loud, as it is to criticize God's rules because no matter how
much people complain about thunder and lightening; there is nothing they
can do to get them abolished.

One of the Greek words translated "lord" in the New Testament is despotes
(des-pot'-ace) from which we get our English word despot; defined by
Webster's as a ruler with absolute power and authority.

A percentage of the meat sold by vendors in Corinth was either blessed by,
or dedicated to, pagan deities. Paul instructed his friends to avoid asking
which was which since it doesn't matter to God if the foods Christians
ingest are religiously tainted without their knowledge: and since it's The
Lord's earth, then if He says it's okay; then it's okay; but again, only if we're
unaware of the meat's religious significance.
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1Cor 10:27 . . If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go,
eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

In other words, this is one of those Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell situations.

1Cor 10:27-29 . . But if anyone says to you "This has been offered in
sacrifice" then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and
for conscience' sake-- the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours.

If you go ahead and dine in someone's home where you know in advance
the food is either dedicated to, or blessed by, a pagan deity, or that when
they say grace around the table it will be to a god other than your own, or to
a sacred personage that you do not accept; then your host is quite possibly
going to come to the conclusion that his religion is just as valid as yours if
you don't decline.

This is not saying that Catholics and Protestants can't eat together and/or
pray together around the table; nor is it saying that Christians and Jews
can't eat together and pray together around the table: not when Catholics,
Protestants, and Jews are all praying to the same God: just from a different
perspective.

I will say this though: if you are a Catholic host, and your guests are either
Protestants or Jews; then for God's sake DO NOT pray around the table to
The Lord's mom and/or to one of Catholicism's many patron saints. That is
extremely offensive to Protestants and Jews, and totally unnecessary
anyway when you can just as easily say grace to the one supreme being
common to you all.
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1Cor 10:31 . . So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for
the glory of God.

One of the meanings of the Greek word for glory is "honor" which in this
case can be defined as doing something out of respect for someone admired.

Ideally a ruler should be loved and feared. Machiavellian thinking says it is
better for a ruler to be feared if he cannot have both; the reason being that
love is fragile whereas fear will keep people loyal even when they despise
the ruler; for example Kim Jong-un of North Korea.

"You have heard of Job's perseverance" (Jas 5:11)

Job had good reason to turn against God because of the volume of
unexplainable misfortunes that came his way. But Job's love for God held
out.

"Job got up and tore his robe and shaved his head. Then he fell to the
ground in worship and said: Naked I came from my mother's womb, and
naked I will depart. The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away; may the
name of the Lord be praised. In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with
wrongdoing." (Job 1:20-22)

Job is famous for his perseverance, but Habakkuk is another. He's not so
famous as Job; but equal in patience.

"Though the fig tree does not bud and there are no grapes on the vines,\
though the olive crop fails and the fields produce no food, though there are
no sheep in the pen and no cattle in the stalls; yet I will rejoice in the Lord,
I will be joyful in God my savior." (Hab 3:17-18)
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1Cor 10:32-33 . . Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the
Gentiles, nor to the church of God: even as I please all men in all things, not
seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

If only more Christians the world over would just make an effort to be civil--
if only that and nothing else --it would improve the gospel's chances of at
least being heard, if not accepted.
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1Cor 11:1 . . Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

In the Catholic religion, a "saint" is a role model for others. Well, 1Cor 11:1
lists an exceptional model for everyone regardless of their age, race, gender,
and/or religious affiliation.

Christ is very famous 'round the world for exemplifying the virtues of
kindness, friendship, and generosity.
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1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

It never seems to fail that somebody will actually attempt to refute Paul's statement by quoting another of his own statements.

"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." (Gal 3:26-28)

(chuckle) Paul pitted against Paul; the clash of the titans, only in this event, both titans are one and the same titan. Yes, both genders are one in Christ; but then Jesus and God are one also, yet there is a hierarchy in the Divinity because "the head of Christ is God"
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1Cor 11:4-5a . . Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered
disrespects his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her
head uncovered disrespects her head

That's a little tricky seeing as how the word "head" can refer to a skull
and/or a superior; so to clarify this a bit, I'm going to revise some of the
above a little.

"Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered disrespects
Christ. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered
disrespects men."

Some of the world's women have made disrespecting men their life's work;
and nothing makes them happier than finding ways to chafe one. When they
become a Christian, it's imperative they give up that particular ambition.

This issue isn't really a gender issue, it's a progenitor issue.

The woman wasn't made directly from the dust of the ground like the man
was. She was made from material amputated from the man's body; which
makes him every woman's father. So that when women disrespect men,
they are actually disrespecting their paternal ancestor; which is a shameful
thing to do in any culture; not just the Christian religion.

Christian women aren't required to cover their hair all the time; only
whenever they pray and/or prophesy; especially in the presence of men.

No doubt this is very disagreeable with a certain number of Christian women
whose heart's ambition is to assert their independence and demand equality.
Well, if they don't want to cover their hair when praying and/or prophesying
out of respect for men, then they should at least woman-up and do it out of
respect for Christ's feelings about it; after all, he's supposed to be every
Christian woman's lord and master.

"If you love me, you will comply with what I command." (John 14:15)

Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me."
(John 14:21)

"If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who does not love me
will not obey my teaching." (John 14:23-24)

"You are my friends if you do what I command you." (John 15:14)

NOTE: According to 1Cor 14:37 and 1Thess 4:1-2, the apostles' doctrine is
Christ's doctrine; it's a domino effect all the way to the top.

"Whoever listens to you; listens to me. Whoever rejects you; rejects me.
And whoever rejects me; rejects the one who sent me." (Luke 10:16)
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1Cor 11:5b-6a . . If a woman does not cover her head, she should have
her hair cut off;

In other words: if Christian women want to be treated equal to Christian
men, then they should go all out to imitate Christian men by first of all
getting themselves a man's haircut, and leave their hair short all the time
like a masculine lesbian, viz; a dyke.
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1Cor 11:6b . . If it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved
off, she should cover her head.

Okay then: if Christian women would be somewhat embarrassed to show up
in church looking like a man and/or LGBT, then then they have only one
other option; and that's to show up in church looking like women. But in
order to retain their femininity whenever they pray and/or prophesy; they
are simply going to have to cover their hair with something or heaven will
have no choice but to assume the worst about them.

NOTE: A number of rules regulating Christian women are often viewed as
subjugation. But those rules are actually for the purpose of subordination
rather than subjugation; i.e. Christianity's gender hierarchy is based upon
primogeniture, i.e. the man was created before the woman; plus she was
created from the man and for the man; and thus owes the very reason for
her existence to a man; and her role is a supporting role rather than a
starring role.

That's true Christian doctrine; it's ironic the number of Christian women
calling themselves Christ's followers that don't like it and resolutely refuse to
abide by it.
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1Cor 11:7-10 . . A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image
and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come
from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman,
but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman
ought to have a token of authority on her head.

There's probably as much disagreement about the identity of the angels in
that passage as there is about the sons of God in the 6th chapter of Genesis.
Well; whoever these angels are, or whatever they are, they're apparently
indignant when they see women in church acting as though they're equals
with men.

Christians have simply got to come to grips with the fact that women will
never be equal to men in the divine order of things. No, they will always be
daddy's little girl. Ergo: women aren't from Venus after all; no, they're
actually the offspring of Mars (so to speak).

POSIT: Paul meant that hair coverings are optional when he said: "But if
any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the
churches of God" (1Cor 11:16)

RESPONSE: That is yet another example of people refuting Paul by quoting
Paul.

The "custom" he's talking about is women praying and or prophesying bare
headed. Apparently the Jews' synagogues, and all the rest of the Christian
churches in the Roman world required their women to attend with something
on their heads. Since that was so, then why ever would the Corinthian
Christians think that their women were somehow exempt?

"Judge in yourselves: is it proper that a woman pray unto God uncovered?"
(1Cor 11:13)

The answer of course is NO; it isn't proper-- it's insolent, it's inappropriate,
it's disrespectful; and it is conduct unbecoming for women professing to
revere Christ's right to tell his followers how to be Christians.
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1Cor 11:27-30 . .Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of The Lord in
an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of
The Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and
drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the
body of The Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many
among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

The koiné Greek word for "unworthy" is anaxios (an-ax-ee'-oce) which
means: irreverently; which Webster's defines as: lacking proper respect or
seriousness. In other words "sacrilege" which is gross irreverence toward a
hallowed person, place, or thing.

"sinning against the body and blood of The Lord" is very similar language to
1Cor 6:18, which states: The immoral man sins against his own body. There,
as here, we're not talking about suicide and/or homicide; were talking about
degradation; which Webster's defines as the act of treating someone or
something poorly and without respect.

People sin during The Lord's supper when they fail to take it seriously that
the elements represent his body-- not his glorified body; but the one that
was crucified; viz; his disfigured, bloodied body.

"From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over
all the land." (Matt 27:45)

What do you suppose went on during those three hours of thick darkness
around the cross? Well; I'll tell you what went on because I'm not authorized
to keep it a secret. The things that the Romans did to Christ were merely a
warm up for the main event. When the darkness came; that's when God
stepped into the ring; and the gloves came off. When the darkness lifted,
people saw a Jesus so beaten and bloodied beyond recognition that they
could scarcely tell he was the same man.

"There were many who were appalled at him— his appearance
was so disfigured beyond that of any man, and his form marred beyond
human likeness." (Isa 52:14)

"But The Lord was pleased to crush him, putting him to grief" (Isa 53:10)

I have to wonder how ever a father could do something like that to his own
son; especially do that for a world that wouldn't even appreciate that the
injuries God inflicted upon His own son were for their benefit.

"A man ought to examine himself" is an imperative to make double sure that
one's heart is in the right place when consuming the elements. Some people
gulp them down as if they were nothing more than a snack of hot wings and
cold beer instead of a sacred reminder of what God's son endured to ransom
their souls from a second death in the lake of brimstone depicted at Rev
20:11-15. Those people have to expect that a very insulted father is going
to come down on them for that-- maybe not with sickness, maybe not with
death, and maybe not right away; but eventually with something; and
really, who can blame Him?

NOTE: Observance of the so-called Lord's Supper isn't a mandatory
requirement; so if you are a bit nervous about going about it in the wrong
way, then don't take chances; play it safe and refrain.
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1Cor 11:33-34 . . My brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for
each other. If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you
meet together it may not result in judgment.

The command doesn't frown upon things like church banquets, men's'
breakfasts, ladies' luncheons, and/or potlucks per se. What it's criticizing is a
lack of congregational unity. Here's comments leading up to that verse.

"Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come
together not for the better but for the worse. For first of all, when you come
together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part
I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, that those who are
approved may be recognized among you.

. . .Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat The
Lord's Supper. For in eating, each one takes his own supper ahead of others;
and one is hungry and another is drunk. What! Do you not have houses to
eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who
have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not
praise you." (1Cor 11:17-22)

Their lack of love and unity during church functions was nothing short of
hypocrisy seeing as how The Lord's supper speaks of sacrifice rather than
selfishness, elitism, and hoarding. In other words; seeing as how Christians
all share in Christ's blood equally, then everyone should be given equal
treatment at church regardless of age, gender, skin color, intelligence,
income level, nationality, what side of the tracks they live on, or social
status. None of Christ's body parts are untouchable; nor are any of them
expendable. God forbid that there should be some sort of caste system in a
gathering of people for whom Christ suffered and died equally for each one.
That just wouldn't be right: it would be an insult to the principles underlying
The Lord's supper.

"Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying: Drink
from it, all of you." (Matt 26:27)

If Christians are all drinking from the same cup, then they should all be, at
the very least, eating the same food and not be overly concerned about
where they sit and/or who they sit next to and/or who they're seen with.
And they should also make double sure that everyone gets enough to eat
and that no one gets left out and nobody gets more than his fair share. And
they should all sit down together at the same time. I just hate it when
people don't wait for each other. Some get back to the table and start in
gulping, slurping, clattering, and clanking while others from their table are
still in line.

And they should also take into consideration the possibility that a number of
their congregation are in assistance programs like TANF and SNAP. In other
words; don't just bring enough food from home for yourself; but, if you're
able, bring enough for those among you who can't bring anything at all. And
for God's sake, don't bring a side dish of gourmet food along just for
yourself. Leave your special gourmet stuff at home. There's just no excuse
for flaunting your "sophistication" around church thus giving everyone the
impression that everyone else's tastes are below yours.

You know; why am I even saying these things? In point of fact, why even
did Paul? I mean: shouldn't Christians be eo ipso sources of the milk of
human kindness without somebody shaming them and lecturing them into
being humane with their fellow believers and taking thought for their
feelings? Why must so many Christians be practically strong-armed into
being civil with one another?
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1Cor 12:24-27 . . God has combined the members of the body and has
given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, so that there should be no
schism in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each
other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored,
every part rejoices with it. Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of
you is a part of it.

It's sad that congregations have been reduced to the level of an
invasive species in some churches by over-achieving, ambitious types
passing themselves off as pastors, deacons, and elders. Churches like that
might just as well start selling tickets to their sermons and Sunday schools;
and set up red carpets outside so the rank and file might crowd up like the
Oscars; where they can ooh and ahh over the Cadillac Escalades and Lexus
LX10's driven by their church's managers; admire their fashions, cheer, kiss
derrieres, lick shoes, pose for selfies, and ask for autographs.

John Q and Jane Doe pew warmers aren't expendable commodities; nor do
they constitute a fan base. You have to figure that, maybe not all but, at
least a number of them have been placed in Christ's body by the very same
Holy Spirit that places people in a church's hierarchy. God forbid that church
managers should begin to think of their congregations as just numbers.

I once attended a mega Baptist church in San Diego that hired a hot shot
business man that we all had to address as "reverend" to help them increase
their membership. Why would they do that when there was 4,000+
members on the books already? Well; I'll tell you why. They had an
ambitious building program in mind that couldn't proceed without more
money in the church's coffers. Well; Mister HotShot got the church's
numbers up, and the managers got their building program. My wife and I
bailed. We wanted no part of it.

BTW: After the church's managers got the congregation deeply in debt to
finance the building program, they all took new positions elsewhere,
including the pastor, leaving his flock holding the bag. That was the most
disappointing church I ever attended. It treated the congregation like so
many head of livestock: just dollars per pound on the hoof and cheap labor
easily exploited.
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1Cor 14:1a . . Pursue charity

The koiné Greek word for "charity" in that command is agape (ag-ah'-pay)
which basically means love, e.g. affection, benevolence, kindness,
compassion, empathy, tenderness, understanding, devotion, caring,
thoughtfulness, generosity, and a host of other things like that. Love will
cause you to look out for someone's best interests without them even having
to ask you to.

The word for "pursue" is dioko (dee-o'-ko) which in many places in the New
Testament means persecute. Well; it hardly seems a good idea to persecute
love. I think what the command is wanting to get across to Christians is that
they're supposed to go after and obtain love with a determined attitude like
a hunter, or a stalker, or someone who just won't take "no" for an answer;
like the woman who hounded The Lord at Mark 7:25-28.

Love is the heart and soul of all of Christ's commandments. Christians
without love haven't even got to first base yet. I think it's very safe to say
that without love; one won't be loyal because love and loyalty go together
like a horse and a carriage.

You know, when you love somebody, you will do all in your power to make
them happy. Nobody has to crack the whip on people who truly love because
their affections compel them to please.

People with a tin woodman's soul don't understand what I'm talking about
because there's a cold piece of steel inside them where a heart is supposed
to be. Well; thank God there's a remedy for that.

"If the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who
raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through
His Spirit, who lives in you." (Rom 8:11)

At first glance that passage appears to be speaking of the body's future
resurrection, and it probably is; but it's also talking about the here and now
regarding the power of a supernatural benefit package called the fruit of the
Spirit. (Gal 5:19-25)

The fruit of the Spirit wasn't a new revelation in the days of the apostles. It
was predicted many years before them in the Old Testament.

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from
you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My spirit
in you and move you to follow My decrees and be careful to keep My laws."
(Ezek 36:26-28)

An "heart of flesh" would normally be regarded in modern Sunday school
classes as a bad thing. There in Ezekiel, flesh is juxtaposed with stone to
indicate that God is talking about tenderness; which can be defined as
gentleness, kindness, sensitivity, and deep affection; i.e. the warm, softer
emotions.

A heart of stone is cold and dead, like those massive granite monoliths in
Yosemite Valley. They feel not the slightest bit of pity for climbers who lose
their grip and fall. Nope, those big rocks just go on like nothing ever
happened; silent, indifferent, unconcerned, non grieving, uncompassionate,
and unsympathetic; i.e. they feel nothing: nothing at all.

"As God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with
compassion" (Col 3:12)
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