Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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(Still more on Christmas)

The picture of the church at the end of the age is a mixed multitude.

Look at the letters to the seven churches in Revelation, Thyatira has the deep things of Satan and yet they also have those who don't know anything of the deep things. Pergamum has faithful ones like Antipas, but they also have the false prophet Balaam who is teaching them to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication. Sardis has a bunch of unfinished works that have not been established, yet they also have a few that are dressed in white and will walk with the Lord. The only churches to not get a rebuke are Smyrna and Philadelphia. Philadelphia has a not denied the Lord's name (which indicates other churches had otherwise it would not be much of a commendation) and they have kept the Lord's word (again indicating that other churches have not kept the Lord's word). Laodicea is even worse with the Lord saying they are going to make Him vomit and He isn't even in their midst (which indicates they aren't even meeting in the name of the Lord). The only word to them is to get out of that church.

What we are seeing in these letters is the wheat and tares growing together.

What we are seeing is the apostasy and the genuine believers mixed together like Antipas and Balaam, or the synagogue of Satan and the church of Philadelphia.

Now we see both of these things in the celebration of Christmas. You can see the sweet worship of the Lord Jesus and you can also see the most crass commercialism parading as a mockery of the gospel.

None of that is new, many have said the same thing for the last 50 years.

However, I am also saying that just as the passover feast was a dress rehearsal for the Lord's crucifixion that Christmas should also be looked at as a dress rehearsal for the rapture of the man child.

Jesus said that He was coming as a thief in the night (if you were not watching). In the celebration of Christmas those who are watching are there in the Christmas eve service, those who aren't go to Christmas parties and for them they wake up the next day. Santa comes like a thief in the night. They will wake up to learning they have exchanged the glory of the savior for a bunch of junk under an idol to the antichrist.

Two Governing principles

I operate under two very important principle when I read the Bible and church history and that is that Jesus is Lord. I don't believe in coincidences, I believe in the sovereignty of the Lord Jesus. If December 25th is a major holiday for Christians worldwide then that is God's sovereignty.

The second principle is that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. In the Old Testament we learn that God was very precise in establishing festivals that were a rehearsal for the coming event. Passover is an excellent example, likewise with the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of firstfruits, Pentecost, etc. Therefore since we have two very holy festivals: Christmas and Easter I conclude that these also are a rehearsal for coming events.

Let us consider the two aspects of this celebration.

Christmas eve -- we have a Christmas Eve celebration in which we sing songs like "Hark the Herald Angels sing, glory to the New born King" and we recount the story of a babe born in a manger (even though we know this is not the day that Jesus was born).

However, if this is a rehearsal, a shadow of coming events, then we do have a "man child" that will be born in Revelation 12 and then snatched up to heaven before the Dragon can devour him. That sounds to me like the rapture.

Then consider the second aspect of this celebration

In the night "Santa" (anagram for Satan, wearing a red suit and the Lord of the "elves" fallen angels) comes as a thief in the night "giving us gifts". Is that really what he does? First of all the holiday is a lie, a great deception given to those who don't have the love of the truth. Second Santa doesn't give you anything, instead you are forced to go out and buy a bunch of junk at the mall for your kids. Meanwhile you teach your kids to write a letter to Santa (a counterfeit prayer where you teach kids to be materialistic and pray for things). You dupe your kids knowing that at some point in the future they will learn you duped them and in this way you are teaching them that everyone is a fraud. And so what "Santa" has truly done is exchange your God for a lie.

This reminds me of those who wake up after the rapture and realize they have been duped by the apostasy, having exchanged the Lord of glory for the ruler of this world.

How does Santa visit every house? Calculations have been done on how fast he would have to travel. This is a way to mock the teaching of the rapture.

"He knows if you've been bad or good" -- again a way to distort the concept of God.

"He sees you when you're sleeping, He knows when you're awake" -- does anyone really doubt this is talking about the Antichrist in his tyrannical power.

How about the song "Santa baby" -- this is what Jude and Peter warned about, the lascivious ones creeping into the church.

Either you believe God is sovereign or you believe in Coincidences.

The winter solstice is December 22nd and they would bring the Christmas tree in and decorate it in order to celebrate the birthday of a Babylonian deity that signifies the AntiChrist.

So Christmas Eve we celebrate the birth of Jesus, the next day they celebrate the birth of the Antichrist and the Christmas tree is a symbol of that birth because where this deity was killed by a boar and bled out an evergreen tree grew up which is why they use this tree.

What are we rehearsing? The birth of the man child who is caught up to heaven followed by the birth of the Antichrist.
 

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Joshua 4:1-9 -- God's grasshoppers

1 When the whole nation had finished crossing the Jordan, the Lord said to Joshua, 2 “Choose twelve men from among the people, one from each tribe, 3 and tell them to take up twelve stones from the middle of the Jordan, from right where the priests are standing, and carry them over with you and put them down at the place where you stay tonight.” 4 So Joshua called together the twelve men he had appointed from the Israelites, one from each tribe, 5 and said to them, “Go over before the ark of the Lord your God into the middle of the Jordan. Each of you is to take up a stone on his shoulder, according to the number of the tribes of the Israelites, 6 to serve as a sign among you. In the future, when your children ask you, ‘What do these stones mean?’ 7 tell them that the flow of the Jordan was cut off before the ark of the covenant of the Lord. When it crossed the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan were cut off. These stones are to be a memorial to the people of Israel forever.” 8 So the Israelites did as Joshua commanded them. They took twelve stones from the middle of the Jordan, according to the number of the tribes of the Israelites, as the Lord had told Joshua;and they carried them over with them to their camp, where they put them down. 9 Joshua set up the twelve stones that had been in the middle of the Jordan at the spot where the priests who carried the ark of the covenant had stood. And they are there to this day.

This memorial is composed of twelve stones on one side of the Jordan representing the 12 tribes of Israel and their crossing of the Jordan. At the beginning of the age of grace we were saved from this evil age and were brought out into the wilderness. However, we still had the slave mentality and lacked faith in the Lord. All those who were in Egypt died in the wilderness due to a lack of faith, except for Joshua and Caleb. These who crossed over were all those who had grown up and spent their whole lives worshipping the Lord in the wilderness. For their entire lives they had the freedom to worship God as He commanded them in the wilderness. They were never slaves. But now they are entering a new territory. This territory, this land, has been usurped by seven tribes that are already there. But Israel has been formed into an army of these twelve tribes. So we need to look a little closer at these twelve tribes because after 40 years they had become stones, this is the memorial. They also experienced becoming river crossers, Hebrews. We see the end from the beginning. The Egyptian army chased Israel into the Red sea and out of the Jordan river we see Israel emerge as an army. The Lord rained plagues on Egypt to force Pharaoh to let them go, they were frogs, or flies or lice. Now Israel, the army will be that plague, they will be God’s grasshoppers.
 

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Luke 22:1-12 -- The fifth seal, the passover and the upper room all refer to the rapture

1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

The feast of unleavened bread is the feast at the beginning of the year, and in this case it signified the beginning of the age of grace. This age of grace began with the Passover, Jesus Christ being sacrificed for our salvation on the cross. The root word for Passover can mean to "stand or guard". In Egypt God stood over the houses with the blood on the door to protect them from the avenger, the angel of death. This time we see that Jesus is standing guard over us to protect us from sin and death. Once again we can see the end from the beginning. The goal of the Lord's sacrifice on the cross was to gain a people that matched him, just like Adam was put to sleep and a rib was taken out of him and from that God built a woman. in the same way Jesus was put to sleep, out of His side came blood and water, and from that God has built the church, the bride of Christ.

2 And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.


This is how the age began, the chief priests, scribes and rulers seeking to kill all those who expose their corruption and sins. They did this to the apostles. The blood of the martyrs has been shed throughout this age. This is what the 5th seal in the book of revelation refers to.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

This is what the protests are about. People all over the world are crying with a loud voice “how long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?” What do you think the BLM protests referring to slavery and lynchings are saying? No one has been judged, how long do they need to wait for their blood to be avenged on those who dwell on the earth? However, this is a direct reference to seeing the souls who have already been killed over the last two thousand years. It is also a reference to those who will be killed during the tribulation.

3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. 4 And he went his way, and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them. 5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money. 6 And he promised, and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude.

There are two people used to exemplify the “false prophet”; Balaam and Judas. In both cases they will betray the Lord for money. Do not be deceived, neither was a “phony prophet” that is not what is meant by false. They both genuinely knew the Lord and His word. They were prophets, but they were false in that they were not trustworthy, they would sell out the Lord for money. Right now everyone talks about “fake news”. Fake news is simply a false prophet. They will spin the news any way you want in exchange for money. This age began with the chief priests and scribes choosing a false prophet over those that would speak the truth. They chose to crucify the Lord and martyr the apostles rather than hear the truth.

They are “merchants of doubt” when it comes to cigarettes causing cancer. So how many were killed due to their lies even though they knew their product was a drug hooked you and killed you. The NFL did the same thing, knowing that their product caused terrible brain damage. They lied about it and slandered anyone who tried to tell the truth.

7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.


Unleavened bread is bread that these spin doctors have not had a chance to adulterate. Things are happening very fast right now, too fast for them to do a good job of leavening. Recently a video came out of Biden talking to reporters which was clearly CGI as his hand went through the microphone. Sixty Minutes released a video attacking Governor Desantis yet it was immediately revealed to be a hack smear job as it had been edited and the full video was released. Also an attempt to slander Matt Gaetz was ruined because of a sting operation which caused them to pull the plug before they had a chance to set him up. In every case the "bread wasn't leavened" because they ran out of time. This is what the feast of unleavened bread is all about.

8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. 9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? 10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. 11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guest chamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? 12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.

This story is full of very figurative language. A man with a pitcher of Water is one of the signs of the Zodiak, Aquarius, which is always immediately before the feast of Passover. The Bible refers to these signs as "the mazzaroth" and they tell the story of the gospel. This particular sign signifies Jesus with the fountain of living water that is pouring out and raising up the church. We will see the Lord pouring out His word at the end of this age, and this will lead us to this large upper room. Our rapture is depicted as our being taken to an upper room where we can prepare for the wedding. The Passover feast becomes the Lord's table which prefigures the wedding feast.
 

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Upside Down

Isaiah 24:1 Behold, Jehovah maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

I was interested in this phrase "upside down" as a reference to what happens at the start of the Tribulation after the first rapture. I only found it used 6 times but every one seems very informative.

Judges 7:13 And when Gideon was come, behold, there was a man telling a dream unto his fellow; and he said, Behold, I dreamed a dream; and, lo, a cake of barley bread tumbled into the camp of Midian, and came unto the tent, and smote it so that it fell, and turned it upside down, so that the tent lay flat.

Barley refers to the first fruits, Jesus' resurrection was likened to the fulfillment of the feast of firstfruit which is a reference to barley, and when He rose a "sheaf" rose with Him from the dead. So we have a reference here to a very small number of firstfruits (a cake of barley bread) which reminds us of the resurrected Lord and those who are with Him just like Gideon's army, and they turn the camp upside down. No one would ever imagine a loaf of bread turning an army camp upside down. But isn't that what is happening today? People have rejected the leaven (bread) of the Pharisees that they are selling through organized religion and the Mainstream media. A very small number of deplorables associated with Bannon's war room pandemic have turned the camp upside down.

2Kings 21:13 And I will stretch over Jerusalem the line of Samaria, and the plummet of the house of Ahab; and I will wipe Jerusalem as a man wipeth a dish, wiping it and turning it upside down.

This is a key prophecy. Many feel that the Clintons represent the house of Ahab with both Bill and Hillary signifying Ahab and Jezebel. Obama, Biden, and Harris would all be of the house of Ahab. There is a lot of evidence at this point that the US military is arresting people involved in a worldwide pedophile ring that is far more sophisticated and developed than most people can imagine. They had "pedophile island" run by Epstein and Maxwell that Bill Clinton visited over 100 times. But it is far worse than that, it is estimated that human trafficking of children is worth over $100 billion per year. Many fear that the reason to throw the border wide open especially to children and pregnant women is so that they can kidnap children that are undocumented. If you can get children that don't have birth certificates it is crucial for them. We have evidence that 800 people have already been tried for this crime in Military tribunals (the law was expanded during Trump's term to where the Military can hold a tribunal for "crimes against humanity" indicating the trafficking of children. This is very much associated with Satanic rituals where they terrify children and then drink their blood. When children are terrified the glands produce a substance that is both an aphrodisiac and hallucinogenic. Apparently this becomes very addictive.

Psalm 146:9 Jehovah preserveth the sojourners; He upholdeth the fatherless and widow; But the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.

So far in every case the use of this term is consistent. Those involved in election fraud have their army turned upside down. Those involved in censorship and the attempt to bring in a tyranny have their world turned upside down. The Clinton's and all the Satanic pedophiles have their world turned upside down. You can lump all these into one category: the wicked.

Acts 17:6 And when they found them not, they dragged Jason and certain brethren before the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;

Think about that, the true church, the true gospel will turn the world upside down. The lukewarm Christians in Laodicea do not turn the world upside down, but those like Paul do.

Isaiah 29:13 And the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw nigh unto me, and with their mouth and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment of men which hath been taught them; 14 therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder; and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

15 Woe unto them that hide deep their counsel from Jehovah, and whose works are in the dark, and that say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? 16 Ye turn things upside down! Shall the potter be esteemed as clay; that the thing made should say of him that made it, He made me not; or the thing formed say of him that formed it, He hath no understanding?

This is brilliant! God is righteous and He judges righteously. These wicked ones they turn things upside down. They tell you that you are a terrible person if you are "transphobic". Then they have some man go to a spa in the women's locker room with kids as young as 6 walking around with his penis out. Prisoners claim they are "trans" and then go to the women's prison where they rape and abuse the women. For four years they claimed #NotmyPresident and now if someone wants to do a forensic audit of the election in their state they are vilified as being insurrectionists. For all last year the Democrats supported defunding the police and now today they tell us it was the Republicans who were pushing that. The Democrats, the Leftists, the crazies are claiming that God did not make them and that the Bible has no understanding. They are trying to turn the entire society upside down and instead God will turn them upside down like a dirty dish. They portray the "deplorables" as the offscouring of all things yet God will make them the offscouring. The deep state thinks they are all powerful yet they will be put to an open shame by Gideon's army, a handful of deplorables, it will be as embarrassing as an entire army being beaten by a loaf of bread.
 

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Returning to the point

1Corinthians 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

Every Christian has the word of God, all of them get baptized, they all have the same Spirit of God and yet if these things are an example to us not all of them entered the good land.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.” 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

The difference is that those who fell set their hearts on evil things. It is interesting how it defines idolatry. Everyone says they are not committing idolatry, so he doesn't even bother with that, instead you can tell when someone is being idolatrous by the way they behave. Parties, revelry, getting drunk, fornication, these are all examples of the behavior of idolaters.

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

Someone on this thread said that no one keeps Saturnalia anymore! Really? Saturnalia is a 7 day feast and revelry. We don't do that for "Easter" or any other holiday, but to have non stop Christmas parties for work and friends, that is common. This doesn't mean that eating at a friends house has to be "idolatry" and anyone who would try to twist this to that clearly has an agenda. No, what it means is that many (not all) use this season as an excuse to get drunk, go to parties, and even get involved in fornication.

Idol Feasts and the Lord’s Supper
14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.


Therefore flee idolatry because you could lose your birthright! You could be discarded in the wilderness.

18 Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19 Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

When we partake of the Lord's table we are not simply doing some meaningless ritual, it means that we are partaking of all that it entails to be a believer in Christ. Jesus said that we must take up our cross and follow Him. This is included in our partaking of the body and blood. In the same way there is an assumption that if you partake in the table of demons that you are partaking of all that this entails. He is comparing this to a woman who is engaged to one man going out for a night out with another man. Nowhere is this more plain to see than with Christmas. You spend half of the holiday with the babe of Bethlehem and the other half with "Santa baby".
 

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He will return from the marriage feast, the apostasy, be ready and watching

Luke 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

I completely disagree with the vast majority of Bible teachings on this verse. Many say this refers to the marriage of the Lord. It doesn't make sense on multiple levels. First, if the master of the house were getting married the wedding feast would be in His father's house and His servants would be hosting the feast. Second, suppose this really is referring to the Lord's wedding feast, he is there till midnight or some later hour, He comes back with His bride and if the servants open up immediately to Him He will abandon His bride, gird Himself and serve dinner to the servants?

So instead this reminds me of three other portions of the Bible.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

At the end of the age at the time of the Lord's return we will see the church in Laodicea. The Lord will be knocking on the door and many in this church will not open up to Him, they will not be watching, they will think they are rich and don't know they are blind, naked and poor. I find this very similar because in both cases it is the Lord's house (the church), we are His servants who are to be watching for His coming, and if we do open up to Him immediately then He will gird Himself and sup with us. But if that is the case, what is the feast, or the marriage feast that He is coming from?

Exodus 32:1 And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is become of him. 2 And Aaron said unto them, Break off the golden rings, which are in the ears of your wives, of your sons, and of your daughters, and bring them unto me. 3 And all the people brake off the golden rings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron. 4 And he received it at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, and made it a molten calf: and they said, These are thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 5 And when Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To-morrow shall be a feast to Jehovah. 6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt-offerings, and brought peace-offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

This is a reference to a feast that the Lord was at and He does return from this feast. We do see that Moses calls on the faithful servants who rise up immediately in response to Moses and as a result they become the Levitical priesthood because they were faithful and responded immediately. However, here it looks like they are worshipping idols and in Luke the Lord is returning from a wedding feast. Both of these are feasts, but would we really refer to Exodus 32 as a wedding feast? This in turn reminds me of

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Put this all together and it makes sense. Paul told us the apostasy must come first. We realize that Shavuot is the feast that appears most similar to the account of the rapture, yet prior to the rapture what has to happen first is this falling away, this apostasy, likened to idol worship and a wanton feast, they are like Demas who loved the world and forsook the ministry, and in Luke we are told the Lord left that feast but rewarded those servants who were watching for Him, not partaking in that idolatrous worship, opened the door to Him immediately (as with those in Laodicea).

In Luke we are told before the rapture you will have "the shaking of the powers of heaven" and in 2Thessalonians you are told before the rapture you must first have the apostasy where some in the church, like Demas, will fall away from the Lord because they love the world, and here in Luke the Lord calls it a wedding feast. Remember after the rapture those of the synagogue of Satan come to Philadelphia to worship before them. The were married to Satan. Why do you think Moses delayed his coming down from the mountain, he exposed these ones.
 

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Dung it for 1 year

Luke 13:6 And he spake this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came seeking fruit thereon, and found none. 7 And he said unto the vinedresser, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why doth it also cumber the ground? 8 And he answering saith unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9 and if it bear fruit thenceforth, well; but if not, thou shalt cut it down.

This parable is only in Luke, it isn't in either Mark or Matthew. This is significant, Luke is the gospel to those who are raptured before the tribulation, this is something that they would see. Mark begins with all those left behind going out into the wilderness to John the Baptist (Elijah who is to come, one of the two witnesses) so they obviously would not see this, and Matthew is to the Jews who come very late to the realization that Jesus is Lord.

But for those paying attention to the signs there was a very big one in 2017, the Revelation 12 sign. Many thought the rapture would be in 2020 because of this sign (3 years and then 3 1/2 and 3 1/2). What happened? Well it turns out that the Jewish year which began at Rosh Hashanah in 2020 is the same word as "dung". This last year God "dunged it" and sure enough the number of people waking up has grown exponentially. All these things that are going on that you can't believe, that is simply "dung" to the tree.

Psalm 120:1 In my distress I cried unto Jehovah,
And he answered me.
2 Deliver my soul, O Jehovah, from lying lips,
And from a deceitful tongue.
3 What shall be given unto thee, and what shall be done more unto thee,
Thou deceitful tongue?
4 Sharp arrows of the mighty,
With coals of juniper.
5 Woe is me, that I sojourn in Meshech,
That I dwell among the tents of Kedar!
6 My soul hath long had her dwelling
With him that hateth peace.
7 I am for peace:

But when I speak, they are for war.

Someone has discovered the "prophecies in the Psalms". I will be posting a lot on this, but suffice it to say at this point that Psalm 120 refers to 2020. It was a year of lying lips and the deceitful tongue. We have learned that Fauci was a liar, the CCP are liars, Cuomo was a liar, the Mainstream media are liars, Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, NY Times, WAPO, etc. are liars. Biden is a liar, Harris is a liar. The list is outrageously long and the sins are horrible. They hate peace. They are trying to race bait and divide us.

Now one confusion of course is with the calendars, do you use the Hebrew or the Gregorian, and if you are using the Hebrew does the year start with Nisan 1 or Tishrei 1. The solution to these questions is very simple -- we use the Fig tree prophecy beginning with Israel being reformed in May 1948. May 14 of 1949 would begin the 81st year and put you out of that prophecy. You can adjust that slightly, May 14th was the first quarter of the moon, 2nd month. That is May 21 of 2029. Doing this you can fit all of the prophecies from Daniel to the Lord's prophecies in the gospels as well as the prophecies in Psalms in as long as the 70th week from Daniel begins by May 8, 2022. Nisan 1 is April 1, 2022 which would be when the 2nd year after the dung year begins. So then if they rapture takes place the year after the dung year it would be before April 2022.
 

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Judges 15 -- Jawbone of an Ass? Why not just say Donald Trump?

1 But it came to pass after a while, in the time of wheat harvest, that Samson visited his wife with a kid; and he said, I will go in to my wife into the chamber. But her father would not suffer him to go in. 2 And her father said, I verily thought that thou hadst utterly hated her; therefore I gave her to thy companion: is not her younger sister fairer than she? take her, I pray thee, instead of her. 3 And Samson said unto them, This time shall I be blameless in regard of the Philistines, when I do them a mischief. 4 And Samson went and caught three hundred foxes, and took firebrands, and turned tail to tail, and put a firebrand in the midst between every two tails. 5 And when he had set the brands on fire, he let them go into the standing grain of the Philistines, and burnt up both the shocks and the standing grain, and also the oliveyards. 6 Then the Philistines said, Who hath done this? And they said, Samson, the son-in-law of the Timnite, because he hath taken his wife, and given her to his companion. And the Philistines came up, and burnt her and her father with fire. 7 And Samson said unto them, If ye do after this manner, surely I will be avenged of you, and after that I will cease. 8 And he smote them hip and thigh with a great slaughter: and he went down and dwelt in the cleft of the rock of Etam.

When you join Corporate America with Social Justice Warrior by the tail and then light that with Cancel Culture the result is their crops are ruined. As they say “get woke, go broke”. MLB moved the All Star game from Atlanta to Denver because they “got woke”. Major disaster. Disney’s revenue was down $636 million in the second quarter shortly after cancelling a star actress for comments she made. NBA’s ratings are down 40-45% depending on which network and what time frame you are looking at. What was the slight in Judges that provoked Samson, his wife was given to a Philistine. That could easily refer to a job or a house. But then they go and burn her and her father with fire. This would be like the police killing an unarmed person.

9 Then the Philistines went up, and encamped in Judah, and spread themselves in Lehi. 10 And the men of Judah said, Why are ye come up against us? And they said, To bind Samson are we come up, to do to him as he hath done to us. 11 Then three thousand men of Judah went down to the cleft of the rock of Etam, and said to Samson, Knowest thou not that the Philistines are rulers over us? what then is this that thou hast done unto us? And he said unto them, As they did unto me, so have I done unto them. 12 And they said unto him, We are come down to bind thee, that we may deliver thee into the hand of the Philistines. And Samson said unto them, Swear unto me, that ye will not fall upon me yourselves. 13 And they spake unto him, saying, No; but we will bind thee fast, and deliver thee into their hand: but surely we will not kill thee. And they bound him with two new ropes, and brought him up from the rock.

14 When he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted as they met him: and the Spirit of Jehovah came mightily upon him, and the ropes that were upon his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands dropped from off his hands. 15 And he found a fresh jawbone of an ass, and put forth his hand, and took it, and smote a thousand men therewith. 16 And Samson said,

With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps,

With the jawbone of an ass have I smitten a thousand men.

A jawbone of an ass? This deplorable Israelite killed them with the jawbone of an ass? What, was he making mean tweets? Why are they calling it “the jawbone of an ass” why not just come out and say Donald Trump.
 

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Judges 16 “the powers of heaven will be shaken” and then you will see the Lord

1 And Samson went to Gaza, and saw there a harlot, and went in unto her. 2 And it was told the Gazites, saying, Samson is come hither. And they compassed him in, and laid wait for him all night in the gate of the city, and were quiet all the night, saying, Let be till morning light, then we will kill him. 3 And Samson lay till midnight, and arose at midnight, and laid hold of the doors of the gate of the city, and the two posts, and plucked them up, bar and all, and put them upon his shoulders, and carried them up to the top of the mountain that is before Hebron.

4 And it came to pass afterward, that he loved a woman in the valley of Sorek, whose name was Delilah. 5 And the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and said unto her, Entice him, and see wherein his great strength lieth, and by what means we may prevail against him, that we may bind him to afflict him: and we will give thee every one of us eleven hundred pieces of silver. 6 And Delilah said to Samson, Tell me, I pray thee, wherein thy great strength lieth, and wherewith thou mightest be bound to afflict thee. 7 And Samson said unto her, If they bind me with seven green withes that were never dried, then shall I become weak, and be as another man. 8 Then the lords of the Philistines brought up to her seven green withes which had not been dried, and she bound him with them. 9 Now she had liers-in-wait abiding in the inner chamber. And she said unto him, The Philistines are upon thee, Samson. And he brake the withes, as a string of tow is broken when it toucheth the fire. So his strength was not known.
10 And Delilah said unto Samson, Behold, thou hast mocked me, and told me lies: now tell me, I pray thee, wherewith thou mightest be bound. 11 And he said unto her, If they only bind me with new ropes wherewith no work hath been done, then shall I become weak, and be as another man. 12 So Delilah took new ropes, and bound him therewith, and said unto him, The Philistines are upon thee, Samson. And the liers-in-wait were abiding in the inner chamber. And he brake them off his arms like a thread.

13 And Delilah said unto Samson, Hitherto thou hast mocked me, and told me lies: tell me wherewith thou mightest be bound. And he said unto her, If thou weavest the seven locks of my head with the web. 14 And she fastened it with the pin, and said unto him, The Philistines are upon thee, Samson. And he awaked out of his sleep, and plucked away the pin of the beam, and the web.

15 And she said unto him, How canst thou say, I love thee, when thy heart is not with me? thou hast mocked me these three times, and hast not told me wherein thy great strength lieth. 16 And it came to pass, when she pressed him daily with her words, and urged him, that his soul was vexed unto death. 17 And he told her all his heart, and said unto her, There hath not come a razor upon my head; for I have been a Nazirite unto God from my mother’s womb: if I be shaven, then my strength will go from me, and I shall become weak, and be like any other man.

18 And when Delilah saw that he had told her all his heart, she sent and called for the lords of the Philistines, saying, Come up this once, for he hath told me all his heart. Then the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and brought the money in their hand. 19 And she made him sleep upon her knees; and she called for a man, and shaved off the seven locks of his head; and she began to afflict him, and his strength went from him. 20 And she said, The Philistines are upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times, and shake myself free. But he knew not that Jehovah was departed from him. 21 And the Philistines laid hold on him, and put out his eyes; and they brought him down to Gaza, and bound him with fetters of brass; and he did grind in the prison-house. 22 Howbeit the hair of his head began to grow again after he was shaven.

We know the Deplorables were arrested during January 6th and we know that the FBI organized and deceived them in many ways. Apparently the person who was most vociferous pushing for the need to go into the house of Congress was the leader of the Oathkeepers was actually an FBI agent who was the main provocateur, not only so but they also organized many other fringe groups from BLM to right wing anarchist groups to also be there, they made sure the police were not adequately prepared, they had police opening doors and waving them in. I have never been a fan of Samson because he doesn’t understand the ways of God or His laws. But now I have a different perspective, I feel that this battle is a multipronged attack. Yes, you have Elijah (or the spirit of Elijah in the overcomers) but at the same time you also have the deplorables, not so well trained in the ways of God but still very effective. They were naive to fall for Delilah, or in this case the Deep State with FBI agents and others.

23 And the lords of the Philistines gathered them together to offer a great sacrifice unto Dagon their god, and to rejoice; for they said, Our god hath delivered Samson our enemy into our hand. 24 And when the people saw him, they praised their god; for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hand our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, who hath slain many of us. 25 And it came to pass, when their hearts were merry, that they said, Call for Samson, that he may make us sport. And they called for Samson out of the prison-house; and he made sport before them. And they set him between the pillars: 26 and Samson said unto the lad that held him by the hand, Suffer me that I may feel the pillars whereupon the house resteth, that I may lean upon them. 27 Now the house was full of men and women; and all the lords of the Philistines were there; and there were upon the roof about three thousand men and women, that beheld while Samson made sport.

28 And Samson called unto Jehovah, and said, O Lord Jehovah, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes. 29 And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house rested, and leaned upon them, the one with his right hand, and the other with his left. 30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead that he slew at his death were more than they that he slew in his life. 31 Then his brethren and all the house of his father came down, and took him, and brought him up, and buried him between Zorah and Eshtaol in the burying-place of Manoah his father. And he judged Israel twenty years.

We see this today, I think they are going after 600 deplorables, locking them into prison in solitary confinement, not allowing them an opportunity to meet with counsel and review the charges, and in many if not every single case the charges are misdemeanors and yet that doesn’t prevent them from being kept in abusive prison conditions as “political prisoners”. It may be that Samson’s eyes were gouged out but I think everyone who is paying attention can see very clearly. Our government is filled with thousands of these Deep State actors who worship idols and are openly despicable. But they are now planning on bringing the Jan 6th “riot” back out into their temple to celebrate and it will be their big mistake. The Lord said that “the powers of heaven will be shaken” and then we will see the Son of Man come. This investigation will give “Samson” an opportunity to remove the pillars of their temple. What they have missed is that the information about what really happened has grown in the last six month the world knows enough to convict and condemn all these idol worshippers in this temple. While Elijah is dealing with Jezebel and her prophets of Baal Samson will take down this temple to Dagon. The house of congress in the US has become the temple of Dagon.
 

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This book covers the End of the Age -- Acts of the Apostates

 

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Ironic that a book on the apostasy would be from a brother named Jude, in Greek it is Judas.
 

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1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,

The evidence is quite strong that Jude was the brother of Jesus just as James was and yet he doesn't make that claim. You can imagine a false prophet not bringing that up? I find it very instructive that neither James nor Jude try to use their relationship in the flesh to Jesus to give them some special standing. Likewise they both make it clear that they are servants of the Lord Jesus.

To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

Called -- 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Romans 8 gives us 5 things: Foreknew and predestinated (Abraham), Called (Isaac), Justified (Jacob) and glorified (Joseph).

We can see these five in the structure of the children of Abraham. We are children of Abraham, children of the promise. I consider this to be the first correlation between the book of Jude, Revelation 12, the lord's birth in Luke and Christmas. By the time we finish Jude we will see an amazing number of connections.

loved in God -- 20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me."

These verses by the Lord describe what it means to be loved in God and what it means to be loved even as God loved the Lord. Think about it, the birth of the man child will be "just as" the Lord's birth. Their birth will be so that the world may believe. No doubt this refers to the testimony of saints who have been reborn over the last two thousand years. However, it also seems reasonable that it could refer to the rapture as an event, just like Jesus birth, that could spark a marvelous revival.

Kept for Jesus Christ -- We are talking about the bride of Christ who keeps herself as a virgin. No other epistle uses this term, it refers to watchful care. It is a direct reference to the Lord charging us to watch for His return and the word in greek actually means 'continually kept". This is not once for all. This word is used for Peter when he was 'kept' in prison, confined. It is also used concerning our heavenly inheritance which is kept for us. This word is used again in this epistle when it says the fallen angels kept not their first estate. The idea is that we are constantly vigilant to watch and keep ourselves from falling but that the lord will also work together with us to keep us. The concept here is a direct contradiction to the "once saved always saved" doctrine going around now that we don't need to worry about sin. The word is also used for the church in Philadelphia where it says "He will keep us from the hour of trial". This verse indicates the Lord is keeping us, verse 21 tells us we need to keep ourselves. 1Thessalonians 5:3 says we are kept blameless unto the coming of our Lord and savior.

We are not "kept for Santa". The whole "he knows if you've been bad or good" is just another deceit used to mock the Christians.

2 Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

Mercy is a direct reference to judgement and "the royal law" in James. Jesus said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". James interprets that to mean that we are to treat others with mercy since we also want to be judged with mercy. What a contrast with the celebration of Santa version of Christmas. Grace is getting what you don't deserve, Mercy is not getting what you do deserve. Mercy implies we are a failure and so we need God's grace and mercy. The whole Santa "gospel" is that you get what you deserve and if you are bad you had better watch out. No mercy with Santa.

Peace -- this is a big term during Christmas, "Peace on earth and good will towards man". We have peace through Jesus Christ. However, there is no peace for the wicked Isaiah 57:21.

Love -- This is the mark of the saints, the way in which the world identifies us. Everyone is talking about the mark of the beast, well we also have a mark and it is love.

These three terms all point to the Lord's coming. We are praying for mercy, we are not worrying about anything but praying about everything and trusting that we will be kept from the hour of trial. And like Philadelphia we are keeping the Lord's command to love others as ourselves.

But this also leads us into the discussion of the apostasy. Where does it begin? With Ephesus losing their first love. Next they lose their peace. Finally if they are completely apostate they treat others without mercy like Jezebel and the inquisition.

Incidentally all these elements show up in the birth of Jesus. The scribes and Pharisees had lost their first love, they knew Jesus was to be born in Bethlehem but didn't so much as go to see. However, hearing about His birth caused everyone in the city to lose their peace and they responded without mercy, killing the 2,000 kids.
 

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3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

Dear Friends is also translated Beloved. This epistle is written "to the beloved", to the Bride that will be raptured prior to the tribulation.

This verse reveals that his original intention was to write about the common salvation, kind of like sharing the gospel about Jesus being born of a virgin and giving a typical Christmas message. However there was a divine compulsion on him that changed the direction of this letter. This term we translate as "compelled" is used in Acts to say that Jesus was compelled to suffer and die on the cross. This term is also used by Paul who says he is compelled to preach the gospel and woe to him if he doesn't.

Urge you to contend for the faith -- that is the theme of the letter. The challenge that you and I are being given.

Contend for the faith is to agonize on, to strenuously labor on the faith. This is an active military word (do not confuse it with contentious that is a different word). In may respects this refers back to the Lord telling us to watch and Paul telling us to watch because wolves will sneak in, and the warnings concerning the apostasy and the falling away and the heaping up of teachers for their itching ears, and giving heed to fables and old wives tales. To be an unflinching witness is an example of contending for the faith. Standing against those who deny or compromise with the whole counsel of God is another example of contending for the faith. The book of Galatians where Paul stood against "another gospel" is an example of contending for the faith.

We can see this in the celebration of Christmas. It begins with an unflinching testimony that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, that He is God with us. We then stand against all those who would mix this message with a compromised mixture of fables and old wives tales. Something they have mixed up into "another gospel" which isn't a gospel at all.

He doesn't tell us to contend for the gospel, he doesn't say to contend for salvation, he says contend for the faith. For example Paul says to examine yourselves whether you are in the faith. We must check, the things I am doing am I doing them out of faith? Did I pray about them? Did they originate with the word of God?

We need to prove that we are in the faith. In other words faith is more than believing. When you go through a trial by faith you prove your faith. Abraham offering up Isaac proved his faith. The apostasy departs from the faith. Faithful teaching established the church. We are all instructed to stand fast in the faith.

So the faith is where the battle takes place. The apostasy is trying to peel you away from the faith. The apostasy is based on extra biblical teachings, cleverly devised myths. Think about Halloween, Christmas and Easter. Notice in every case they appeal to children. In every case parents are shamed into letting their kids participate otherwise they are "the grinch" who stole Christmas.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
 

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4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

There are subversives in our midst, that is not up for discussion, that is what Jude tells us. What are they doing? They are trying to peel us away from the fait by either denying the words of the Bible, either by taking something away or by adding something to it. In bried there are tares among the wheat. The sower sows the word of God, an enemy sows the weeds among the wheat. This is why the book is written.

Paul says the same thing. Galatians 2:4 This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

Think about that, the goal is not simply to peel you away from the faith but to make you slaves. What is the very clear and obvious goal of the world's celebration of Christmas? To make everyone go out and buy junk, to be a slave of this economy. Once again this isn't up for debate, we are told repeatedly in the gospels and the epistles that wolves will come in among the sheep. This is particularly true in the latter times. Enoch, the father of Methuselah warned us of this.

Apostasy is not simply error or even getting tangled up in a heresy. It signifies a rejection of the truth of God. The examples are Judas, Cain, Balaam and Korah. These four are Biblical examples of apostates, false prophets. Think about that, we have had apostates since Cain and Abel. All of the world was founded by an apostate.

These people have "secretly slipped in beside you". They are ungodly, like Cain. The world was started by Cain, he had a mark on him, he was a murderer. He is out to annul the word of God. This is what the world has done with Christmas becoming Xmas. They could care less about the babe of Bethlehem, in fact they eliminate all of that because "it could offend some". All they care about is having kids sit on Santa's lap and beg their parents for junk being sold at the store. Look at the Thanksgiving day parade, they are not celebrating the birth of Jesus. Ungodly means they don't have a reverential awe of God. That describes the world. They have the form but deny the power. They will take various "Props" like these floats in the parade, they'll put up a poster that says "Peace and good will" but they will refuse to put up anything about Jesus Christ, the power of our celebration. They are happy to have the outward appearance of celebrating the Lord without the inward reality.

19 Then they asked him, “Where is your father?” “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”

Did you catch that? They are accusing Jesus of being a bastard. This is what the world thinks of Jesus birth. Don't tell me that the world is celebrating Jesus birth at Christmas. These guys are supposed to be religious leaders and yet Jesus says they don't know God.

44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

They are descended from Cain. The whole Santa claus story is a lie, the ones who came up with this it was easy, like speaking their native language, the whole thing comes from a liar, and the father of lies.

They will pervert the grace of God like Balaam. Read Balaam and he was legitimately a prophet of God who knows God's word but he perverted it. He thought that he would sell his ability to speak God's word to the highest bidder and instead of using it to build up he would use it to destroy. They push this celebration as a "Christian celebration" when in fact it is a thinly veiled Saturnalia celebration. Balaam taught the believers to commit fornication and idol worship. He teaches that grace allows you to do anything, doesn't matter whereas Titus tells us the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. Loyalty to anything other than the word of God perverts the grace of God.

And they deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ just like Korah who rebelled against Moses. Some of us are pointing out that the Christmas tree is not in the Bible, it is not in our covenant with God and that this is a pagan practice. We are saying this is strange fire that they have.
 

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A specific heresy -- Be Careful what you pray for

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.


Do you remember the amazing delivery of Israel from all kinds of enemies in Exodus, Numbers and Deuteronomy? Pillar of fire, Pillar of cloud, the Red Sea parts, the Earth splits and swallows up the rebellious. 1 million leave Egypt, 2 made it into the good land. It was an 11 day journey that took 38 years. Were those 1 million who didn't make it, were they saved? What is the issue? Apostasy, falling away, the destruction that comes upon them because of that.

Read the history and it is very clear, God reserves the right to destroy that people if they become guilty of certain forms of unbelief, or other sins to which unbelief leads. Now we can certainly remember the Lord's promise that we shall never perish and no man shall pluck us out of the Lord's hand. It is the same Bible and the same God. You can have eternal security and still suffer destruction.

Those Israelites who were destroyed had eaten the Passover, they had put the blood on the doorpost and they passed through the Red Sea typifying the waters of baptism. Repeatedly God calls them "my people". Now there were some who snuck in there, the "mixed multitude" so it is reasonable to think that not all, not 100% were saved, but the vast majority were. Remember of all those who crossed the Red Sea none ended up back in Egypt.

So then to understand the unbelief that caused them to be destroyed we have to turn to Numbers 14. The spies come back with an evil report and they lift up their voice and cry "would to God that we had died in the land of Egypt or in this wilderness"! God responds "as you have spoken in my ears so will I do to you"! Their destruction in the wilderness was an answer to their prayer! In their prayer they say their little ones were going to be a prey so God says all those you said would be a prey, them I will bring in.

Paul, the same guy who said we are saved by grace, and we are justified by faith, this same guy said "Now all these things happened unto them for ensample: and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come". Nothing in scripture is extraneous. Everything is for our learning. So I ask you if we were to look at the Israelites in the wilderness would it be the 999,998 that were celebrating Christmas according to the world or was it the 2 (Caleb and Joshua) who were and the 999,998 were saying no way? Who was crying about we can't follow God because our children will become a prey? Some will argue that there was nothing in the OT about Christmas. Well Paul says "with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were for our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted". OK, no "Christmas" in the wilderness. Do we have "evil things" in the celebration of Christmas? Any chance God was not well pleased with some of this?

There are a lot of types in this story: Egypt a type of the world, Pharaoh a type of the Devil and his armies, Moses a type of Christ, Red Sea a type of the Baptism, Manna a type of the bread of life. So what do you think the destruction of all these Israelites who were destroyed due to unbelief is? Jude tells us clearly it is a type of the apostasy. The people who were overthrown were out of Egypt but not in Canaan. Look at the seven churches and especially at Sardis, a name that you are alive and yet you are dead.

Returning to Paul's word -- "we should not lust after evil things, as they lusted, neither should we become idolaters as it is written they sat down to eat and drink they rose up to play. The New Testament tells us to flee from idolatry. John tells us to keep ourselves from idols. An idol is anything that you put between you and the Lord, anything that displaces the Lord. Once again, let's ask, how many of the Israelites were involved in Idolatry? Moses and Joshua weren't, but apart from them who wasn't? Who wasn't involved in the golden calf idolatry? Neither commit fornication -- Novels, movies, cable TV, modern music is all involved in fornication. Consider those who died by being bitten by the snakes. They said they loathed the manna, that was the word of God that we need for our daily sustenance. If they had been in the word daily they would not have been bitten by the fiery serpents. Think about Christians today who got the jab and now regret it. I wonder what their time in the word was like prior to that?

What is the lesson? We are under constant attack from the great serpent and the word protects us. Once the church leaves the word of God they open themselves up to attack. The only cure is to look on the crucified Jesus.

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall

In Revelation they stand on the glassy sea. The laver where we wash in the word is called a glassy sea. The word that we wash up in is also the word that we stand on.
 

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Example of the Corporate punishment of the Angels, part 1

Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

Three views of this passage, part 1

1 -- Not intended to know any more than is here even though the other two examples given (Israel and Sodom and Gomorrah) expect you to know in great detail what is there. This is something of a cop out view, "let's not talk anymore about this".

2. -- The second view is that these angels which sinned had to do with the Fall of Lucifer and so we can explore a lot more on that subject from the Old Testament and even from the New Testament.

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" Isaiah 14:12 This chapter is about the king of Babylon and yet it turns in the discussion to where he is talking about Lucifer. This shows that Lucifer was the power behind the king of Babylon. The source of his error was 5 "I will" statements.

I will ascend into heaven
I will exalt my throne
I will sit also upon the mount
I will ascend above the heights
I will be like the most high

Now let's see how this relates to Christmas. This is about the Son of God, Jesus being born and the whole first half of this celebration is all about Jesus being born of a virgin to be God with us, our savior.

So what does Satan do? He creates a story to rival the story of Jesus birth. His throne is in the world, and this story is to exalt worldly commerce. He sits this story right next to the account of Jesus birth. The airways promote this story of Santa Claus every bit as much if not more than that of the birth of Jesus. He makes his story like the most high. The Lord will rapture saints all over the Earth in the twinkling of an eye, well he can visit every single house on earth in a single night. We pray to God, well he creates a "letter to Santa". God is omniscient, well "he sees you when you sleep, he knows when your awake, he knows if you've been bad or good" so you have this tyrannical version of an omniscient God.

Ezekiel deals with the Prince of Tyre and then switches to the king of Tyre -- the epitome of wisdom and beauty. He was in Eden, covered with every precious stone. But he was created. He was appointed to the top office, he was in charge right up until iniquity was found in him. Ezekiel goes into discussion of his judgement by fire.

Revelation 12 tells us that the great red dragon who wants to devour the man child is Satan. We also see that the angels allied with Satan were thrown out with him. Who then is the woman? We saw this same woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet with a crown of 12 stars in Joseph's dream.

Some claim the woman is Israel but there are major problems with that, others say she is the church but again, major problems with that. However, we also got a glimpse of this same woman at the time of Eve when the Bible prophesied about the seed of the woman crushing the serpents head. This is the seed of the woman that God said would crush Satan's head and that is why Satan wants to devour the child.

Based on this the man child is Jesus Christ and it almost fits this story perfectly, but not quite. Jesus was not snatched up to heaven, he ascended in the cloud. The word snatched up is the word we refer to as the rapture, it is harpazo, to be rescued from destruction. This is where I realized that this birth looks almost like Jesus birth but not quite, and thus the story of Jesus birth could be prophetic for the rapture.

Now if it is Jesus they want the woman to represent Israel, but if the woman is Eve she is "the mother of all living". Yes, Israel gave birth to Jesus, it is like a small circle inside a bigger circle, while Eve gave birth to both Jesus and the raptured saints. The seed of the woman is both Jesus and the Bride of Christ. There are not two seeds, the raptured saints were built from a rib taken from the 2nd Adam. There is no account in the New Testament of Satan being cast out of heaven when Jesus was born or of him being snatched up. However, when Jesus expanded His ministry and sent out the saints He said "I beheld Satan falling like lightning from heaven". Beginning with Genesis 3:15 we see this attack from Satan on man and it carries through almost to the end of Revelation. This is a major theme of the Bible. It is foolish to think "let's not talk about this anymore'.

I find it interesting that if we discuss Santa Claus everyone knows the entire story, they are familiar with all of it, even though it is not in the Bible. Still it is very relevant when we talk about Christmas and the celebration of Christmas. To me it is just like Jude's reference to Enoch and the fallen angels. All the Jews knew this story, it was relevant to the apostasy, even though it was not in the Bible.

Anyway there are several times in history where Satan kills all the babies. At the time of Moses and at the time of Jesus birth and then here again in Revelation 12. Now consider this, if the rapture will be very much like the birth of Jesus we can expect the death of many babies again. Anyone worried about vaccine mandates to kids?

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron

That is clearly Jesus Christ. Except the NT also says that we are to rule and reign with Him. So it is both Christ and the Church.

Revelation 12:6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

Clearly this verse is a reference to the tribulation and the 70th week prophesied of in Daniel. Those who think the man child only refers to Jesus have two very big problems, Jesus was not "snatched up" He ascended, different word. The very next verse is talking about the tribulation starting. Now if you think it only refers to Jesus you have to have a very big gap in time in your theory. If however, like me, you think this refers to both Jesus and the Church then I can refer to Genesis where it says the man and the woman were one flesh and God called their name Adam. The church is Eve and yet we are one with Jesus and we (Jesus and the Church) are called "Adam". No round pegs going into square holes.

Accordingly some teach that this child is "the body of Christ". It is very easy to see verse 5 as the rapture because from verse 6 on you have the tribulation.

Once again, let's bring this back to the Christmas celebration. What made the holocaust possible? Various teachings that peeled people away from God. They blamed Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus. They described human life as being godless evolution where it is survival of the fittest and killing others is all natural. Now imagine we have the rapture, the world wakes up on Christmas and realizes they have been duped, they have this junk under a stupid tree while all those crazies talking of virgin births and rapture are gone. Do you think it will be hard for the world under the control of Satan to take out their anger on the woman during the tribulation? There are warnings like that of Demas who loved the world and forsook Paul. There will be two groups, the worldly descendants of Cain who will want to murder the believers and the apostate church who will have to repent and turn back to the Lord including both the Christians and ultimately the nation of Israel who will look on Him whom they pierced.

The problem with view #2 is that Satan is not bound and the angels that are cast to the earth are not bound. So then who is Jude talking about?