Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Verily, Verily, Jesus is the door of the sheep

John 10:7 Jesus therefore said unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

When you repeat a word it gives it emphasis. There are a lot of phony "doors" out there. They promise to lead you out to some kind of utopia. These are the multitude of false Christs, antichrists, that John told us we already have.

8 All that came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.

Do you know how you identify the real door? This is like that game show where you were to choose one of three doors. The real door has blood on it. The crucified Jesus is the real door, He didn't come to steal or rob you, He came that you might have life and He did that by dying in our stead on the cross.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

This is like a pretty girl with a long line of suitors, but one layed down his life that she might live. Not hard to figure out which was the good shepherd.

12 He that is a hireling, and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, beholdeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth, and the wolf snatcheth them, and scattereth them: 13 he fleeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

Wake up, the wolves are coming and these thieves and robbers in the government are fleeing the sinking ship like rats.

14 I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me, 15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth the Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18 No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

This is a commandment! Jesus was commanded to lay His life down for us to save us and He also had power to rise from the dead.

So what is Jesus telling us? All the sheep from two flocks, Jews and Gentiles will be made one flock, they will be led out the door which is Jesus. How do we know He is the door, because He was crucified for our salvation. So the way out is the way of the cross. When you see the sheep go out the door (the rapture) it will be a very strong confirmation that this is the real door in the same way that Jesus' resurrection and ascension was a strong confirmation to those that saw Him that He was the real door.
 

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The world economy is this wheel (to my understanding), the believers are these fires breaking out -- prayer, fasting, the word, worship, and speaking the truth. But we must work together. We need to be one with the Lord. So Jesus mouth's the word "now" while we all in oneness shout now and strike the machine.

This is what we are seeing. If you try to take them down on your own like Jan 6th you will easily be knocked back.

But if we are all led by the spirit speaking as one we will act as one.

This is what we are seeing around the country.

Also it is really up to the believers in the US to do this, the other believers are suffering, they are praying but they are relying on the US Christians to take this war to the evil satanic worldly system.
 

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Verily, Verily, Jesus is the door of the sheep

John 10:7 Jesus therefore said unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

When you repeat a word it gives it emphasis. There are a lot of phony "doors" out there. They promise to lead you out to some kind of utopia. These are the multitude of false Christs, antichrists, that John told us we already have.

8 All that came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture. 10 The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.

Do you know how you identify the real door? This is like that game show where you were to choose one of three doors. The real door has blood on it. The crucified Jesus is the real door, He didn't come to steal or rob you, He came that you might have life and He did that by dying in our stead on the cross.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.

This is like a pretty girl with a long line of suitors, but one layed down his life that she might live. Not hard to figure out which was the good shepherd.

12 He that is a hireling, and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, beholdeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth, and the wolf snatcheth them, and scattereth them: 13 he fleeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

Wake up, the wolves are coming and these thieves and robbers in the government are fleeing the sinking ship like rats.

14 I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me, 15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth the Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18 No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

This is a commandment! Jesus was commanded to lay His life down for us to save us and He also had power to rise from the dead.

So what is Jesus telling us? All the sheep from two flocks, Jews and Gentiles will be made one flock, they will be led out the door which is Jesus. How do we know He is the door, because He was crucified for our salvation. So the way out is the way of the cross. When you see the sheep go out the door (the rapture) it will be a very strong confirmation that this is the real door in the same way that Jesus' resurrection and ascension was a strong confirmation to those that saw Him that He was the real door.
Jesus is the door, we entered the church through Him and we go out of the sheepfold and into the rapture through Him. But you don't go in and go out the same day. If we entered the sheepfold on Passover then the rapture takes place much later but before the next Passover. This is why I am very strong for Purim.

On the one hand I think it would be during the full moon, during an appointed festival and after the Winter is done. On the other hand I think it is even stronger evidence that it takes place before Nisan 1 which is April 2nd. The Full moon is 2:17am March 18th (central time zone) and 3:17am EST. That would be early Friday morning.

On the other hand I think it would be during 2021 and the Jewish year ends April 1st this year.

But, yep I said but, there are a variety of interpretations of the calendar. I think I have it right but there is certainly not consensus on this. So, to me I expect the tribulation to begin by October of this year (Feast of Trumpets) so I expect the rapture to be before then. It could be six months before, it could be 187 days before.
 

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This is quite interesting though I don't think June is a better date for the rapture than March, but that is OK, we have a variety of perspectives on this.

 

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Ye are Gods

John 10:19 There arose a division again among the Jews because of these words. 20 And many of them said, He hath a demon, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21 Others said, These are not the sayings of one possessed with a demon. Can a demon open the eyes of the blind?

I'm wondering why they had this strong reaction? Perhaps he was saying they were phony baloney shepherds if they weren't willing to lay their life down for the sheep and they in turn responded "he has a demon". The liars and thieves don't like being called out.

22 And it was the feast of the dedication at Jerusalem: 23 it was winter; and Jesus was walking in the temple in Solomon’s porch.

This refers to Hanukkah a celebration of the Maccabees standing up to Antiochus Epiphanes and the Greek army.

24 The Jews therefore came round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou hold us in suspense? If thou art the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believe not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, these bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.

This is taking place immediately before the story of Lazarus raised from the dead. There is a direct relationship between the "Stop the Steal" rallies and the festival of Hanukkah.

29 My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.

Well the threats are getting more serious. Trying to snatch believers out of Christ's hand. This term "snatch" is very similar to the word for us being raptured -- harpazo.

31 The Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from the Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Why did they "stone" the people involved in the Jan 6th protest? Why did Trudeau "stone" those involved in the trucker protest? Simple, we didn't defer to these corrupt leaders, we didn't treat them "as God".

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36 say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

This is the basic idea of Elites, that they are better than you, that the rules they impose are for thee and not for me. But if Jesus is the Son of God and all the believers are sons of God then obviously we don't need to treat elites this way. We believe that we are all equal before the eyes of God.

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do them, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father. 39 They sought again to take him: and he went forth out of their hand.

Yes, there are many who are still struggling with believing in Jesus, so then just pay attention to what is going on. Maybe if you see these works it will help you believe that Jesus is Lord.
 

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Let's go back to the beginning

John 10:40 And he went away again beyond the Jordan into the place where John was at the first baptizing; and there he abode. 41 And many came unto him; and they said, John indeed did no sign: but all things whatsoever John spake of this man were true. 42 And many believed on him there.

There you go, right before Lazarus is raised from the dead, this picture of the rapture, there is a return of Jesus to where the NT age all began. As things become crazy we go back to the beginning.
 

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This reminds me of what Dana Coverstone saw in his dreams
 

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It is very clear that there is not agreement between many of the different links I have posted. Some look at the Bible's calendar (Dr. Barry Awe), some look at Enoch's calendar, some use the Jewish calendar, etc. These are not issues of the faith.

My opinion on this is that no one has a monopoly on the truth. If you understand how a great house works the king and his family are working on a different calendar from the servants. For example, say the King and his family take a two week vacation every year to go the country. For them this is a time of rest, relaxation, and sport. But for the servants this is a time to do a spring cleaning or a fall cleaning of the house. Another example, suppose the king's family gets up every morning at 6:30am. Then you would expect the servants to get up at 5:30am. Enoch is referenced by 3 different NT authors as a man of God and is in Faith's hall of fame. Therefore it is absurd to me to think that his book is false, likewise it is very believable to me that Satan would not want us to know what is in his book and would give us a few phony books of Enoch. Since we are the family of the king his calendar is not ours but that doesn't mean we shouldn't know it or that it isn't valuable for us to know.

The same is true of Nibiru, or Planet X. We do not know enough about this to be definitive. There is very strong evidence that there is another body in the solar system that is quite large and is not accounted for. It is plausible that this has resulted in some very strange observations in the past. For example, it is the only plausible explanation I have ever hear of for Joshua's long day or for the sun dial going back an hour. It also explains why the lunar calendar and all calendars would be out of whack.

My point is I do not filter out anyone who doesn't fully agree with my view of the truth. I disagree with Dr. Barry Awe on some points, I disagree with Pastor Sandy on some points, I disagree with Gevte on some points. But none of those points are the faith once for all delivered.
 

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This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God

John 11:1 Now a certain man was sick, Lazarus of Bethany, of the village of Mary and her sister Martha. 2 And it was that Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick. 3 The sisters therefore sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick. 4 But when Jesus heard it, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified thereby. 5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.

Lazarus is the Greek word for Eleazar, referring to the Spirit as a helper to find a bride for Isaac. Bethany refers to the place of dried figs. This also corresponds with the season, we know this is right before Passover which is after the winter and when you would be eating dried figs. Interesting that it is the village of Mary and her sister Martha. They represent those that worship and serve the Lord. It is the village of the church, the true disciples of the Lord. They are praying to the Lord concerning their brother being sick. I have been looking at these chapters in John with the perspective that this announcement that Lazarus is sick takes place at the start of the Covid19 Pandemic. We looked at chapters 8, 9 and 10 with that in mind. Now Covid19 is said to stand for Certificate of Vaccine ID, AI. This bioweapon has made the Spirit "sick". They are mingling the human DNA with a metal that can be read with 5g radiation. Remember, whatever they wind up doing with the Mark of the Beast will prevent you from being saved, but as the Lord said this sickness Covid19 is not unto death. In other words it is not the Mark of the Beast. Many Christians have been hyperventilating over it. However, this worldwide pandemic is for the glory of God. The Son of God is going to be glorified thereby. What does that mean? The trucker protest is glorifying the Lord. The increased speaking of the word of God worldwide is glorifying the Lord. The people who are digging into the truth concerning the vaccine and exposing the deceit of the sorcerers in the pharmaceutical industry is a glory to the Lord. Of course, the raising of Lazarus from the dead, the rapture of the believers, is for the glory of the Lord.

6 When therefore he heard that he was sick, he abode at that time two days in the place where he was.

This is now the 2 year anniversary of the WHO announcing a worldwide pandemic. There are a whole host of prophecies that point to the rapture taking place at the end of 2021 (ends on April 1st on Hebrew calendar) or at the very beginning of 2022 (based on this story it would be at least a week before Passover, that would be April 9th or sooner). Anyway this is why these "two days" have really stuck out to many. It has taken two days to fully expose the evil one but now Putin is digging into the sins in Ukraine, Pfizer has released 55,000 pages revealing their sins, and of course the massive inflation and crime throughout the country has woken up most people in this country.

7 Then after this he saith to the disciples, Let us go into Judaea again. 8 The disciples say unto him, Rabbi, the Jews were but now seeking to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

Is this a reference to Jan 6th and the Trucker protest? January 6th the leaders in DC took a whole bunch of political prisoners and have treated them abusively. Yes the truth is slowly dripping out concerning Ashli Babbit, and the FBI but it is still a very scary thing to enter DC with a protest and yet what we have seen with this Trucker protest coming across the country to DC is something that is very reminiscent of the Lord's word here.

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If a man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

This appears to be a reference to the Equilux. The Equinox is exactly half day and half night, that is March 20th, but there is some argument that it is actually March 18th when we have 12 hours of day. Either way this word appears to be a direct reference to this time of year and more specifically to this coming weekend.

10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because the light is not in him. 11 These things spake he: and after this he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus is fallen asleep; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.


Is the purpose of the trucker protest to "wake people up"? Even today many Christians are still asleep to how imminent the Lord's return is. What do you think will wake them up? Do you think the rapture will? Doesn't this story tell us that prior to Jesus entering Jerusalem this event woke up all the Jews? This is why they were crying Hosanna on Palm sunday. The seven year tribulation will be a triumphant entry into Jerusalem by Jesus, before that event He needs to have the rapture to wake everyone up.

12 The disciples therefore said unto him, Lord, if he is fallen asleep, he will recover.

There are still people who think we can fix this corrupt worldly system. Get rid of the dominion machines, put patriots into the precincts and the country will recover.

13 Now Jesus had spoken of his death: but they thought that he spake of taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus therefore said unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Wake up, the US constitution is dead. The Spirit of freedom and democracy is dead. Tulsi Gabbard says we need to investigate these bioweapons labs in Ukraine that are said to still hold all the bioweapons created by USSR. The response from other senators is that this comment of hers is treasonous. Even asking questions that are fully reasonable based on the admission of the US government and documents showing our funding of these labs is now "treasonous". Free speech is dead.

15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

Wow this is very similar to what many are saying. They are glad that Trump wasn't there so that people could believe that everything they were told is true. Mike Lindell is happy Trump lost the election because it exposed the fraud of these machines which we might not ever have been able to deal with otherwise. Even famous liberals like Maher is starting to believe.

16 Thomas therefore, who is called Didymus, said unto his fellow-disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.

There are many saying that if the Truckers go back to DC they will be tossed in jail too.

My point is the number of parallels with John 11 and today are just stunning.
 

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If thou believest thou should see the glory of God

John 11:17 So when Jesus came, he found that he had been in the tomb four days already.

This was the first time Jesus came, so man had been dead since the time of Adam. But in our view of this today this would remind us that the whole world lies in the evil one, in death, in corruption, in sin.

18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off; 19 and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary, to console them concerning their brother.

The church is nigh unto religion. Jerusalem is the center of the Jewish religion but not of those who worship and serve the Lord Jesus. There are two groups here. There are the believers that will be raptured including the dead in Christ, and then there are the religious believers who may be lukewarm and may not have a personal relationship with Jesus.

20 Martha therefore, when she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary still sat in the house. 21 Martha therefore said unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 And even now I know that, whatsoever thou shalt ask of God, God will give thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live; 26 and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I have believed that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, even he that cometh into the world.

Everyone knew that Jesus was a great teacher, even from the time He was 12. Many knew that He did many marvelous signs like turning water to wine. Some even had the revelation that He was the Messiah which is to come. But here, before going into Jerusalem, before heading to be crucified, He is going to make a statement that He is the resurrection and the life. How can God allow Lazarus to die? Because Jesus is the resurrection! Lazarus death is an opportunity to glorify the Lord when He raises Him from the dead.

28 And when she had said this, she went away, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Teacher is here, and calleth thee. 29 And she, when she heard it, arose quickly, and went unto him.

This reminds me of Dana Coverstone's recent dream about the machines. We need all the believers to act as one. Yes we need those who are protesting and exposing corruption but we also need those who are worshipping the Lord.

30 (Now Jesus was not yet come into the village, but was still in the place where Martha met him.) 31 The Jews then who were with her in the house, and were consoling her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up quickly and went out, followed her, supposing that she was going unto the tomb to weep there. 32 Mary therefore, when she came where Jesus was, and saw him, fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping who came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 and said, Where have ye laid him? They say unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. 36 The Jews therefore said, Behold how he loved him!

Is there really no one that knows what Jesus is going to do?

37 But some of them said, Could not this man, who opened the eyes of him that was blind, have caused that this man also should not die? 38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the tomb. Now it was a cave, and a stone lay against it.

The Lord is not coming back to keep the worldly system from dying. He is coming back as Lord of glory to rule and reign. He will judge everyone according to their works. Many will see their works go up in flames.

39 Jesus saith, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time the body decayeth; for he hath been dead four days.

Lazarus, the Spirit, the helper, will be revealed. We think the whole world is corrupt and lies in the evil one, but in reality there are believers like Queen Esther that are in the government and will risk their lives to deliver the world from evil. This is part of the glory that we will see at the end of the times of the Gentiles, at the end of the age of grace. The church, God's masterpiece, will be revealed.

40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou believedst, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou heardest me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the multitude that standeth around I said it, that they may believe that thou didst send me. 43 And when he had thus spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 He that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave-clothes; and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

Interesting description -- he is "bound hand and foot". When I worked in the NYC school system you were not allowed to speak of what was going on in the school. You were bound hand and foot with all kinds of privacy concerns. You would get fired and prosecuted for revealing things. The term is "compartmentalization". For example, I knew about the furniture bought for our school of 400 kids but didn't know about anyone else so I could only guess at how big the contract really was and no doubt anyone would be able to prove my guess "was wrong". These laws are designed to greatly clamp down on leaks and whistleblowers. Like putting the napkin on Lazarus face. They don't want you to see what these evil administrators are doing and by all means don't want anyone talking about it. So at the end of the age of grace the stone will be rolled away and these ones, likened by Queen Esther, will be loosed. It will be awesome, Biblical, sudden and it will wake everyone up to the glory of the Lord Jesus.
 

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Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand

John 11:45 Many therefore of the Jews, who came to Mary and beheld that which he did, believed on him. 46 But some of them went away to the Pharisees, and told them the things which Jesus had done.

Two kinds of religious people. You have the lukewarm believers who wake up when they see the rapture and you have the hired hands that are not going to lose their grip on the church without a fight.

47 The chief priests therefore and the Pharisees gathered a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many signs. 48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.


You cannot worship God and Mammon. Notice the word "our". They are not servants of the Lord, they don't see this as His nation or His place, but rather theirs. These are the elites who rule the world and usurp the Lord's headship.

49 But a certain one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50 nor do ye take account that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 Now this he said not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for the nation; 52 and not for the nation only, but that he might also gather together into one the children of God that are scattered abroad. 53 So from that day forth they took counsel that they might put him to death.


"This he said not of himself but being high priest that year". That is a strange expression. God does not do anything without telling His prophets. However, being High Priest it seems God gave this man a word, not because he himself was a man of God, or devout or righteous, but because of the position he had. We need to learn this, speaking a prophecy of the Lord does not prove that you are a man of God. Balaam, a false prophet did, and so did a donkey.

54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews, but departed thence into the country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim; and there he tarried with the disciples.


This sounds like the tribulation, believers can no longer walk openly because they are seeking to kill you.

55 Now the passover of the Jews was at hand: and many went up to Jerusalem out of the country before the passover, to purify themselves.

This sounds strange to me, "Passover of the Jews". Is there any other Passover? Why the emphasis of the Jews? I am thinking this is an indication that the times of the Gentiles have come to an end. Yet we are only halfway through the gospel of John which tells me there are still many more that will be reaped. As it said "many believed on Jesus" because of Lazarus being raised from the dead. Those that believed need to grow in grace and mature.

56 They sought therefore for Jesus, and spake one with another, as they stood in the temple, What think ye? That he will not come to the feast? 57 Now the chief priests and the Pharisees had given commandment, that, if any man knew where he was, he should show it, that they might take him.

Think of this, before Palm sunday this was the situation. Two years ago it would have been very difficult to imagine this ever being the case in the US but today it is simple to see things deteriorating to this point.
 

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