Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Isaiah 14:28-32 A Prophecy Against the Philistines (leftists)

28 This prophecy came in the year King Ahaz died:


Uzziah was a tough king on the Philistines, and Hezekiah was also a tough king, but Ahaz was not. To better understand this prophecy let’s use Biden as a stand in for Ahaz and the leftists who are getting everything they want under Biden as the Philistines. That would make Trump equal to Uzziah and we have yet to see Hezekiah appear.

29 Do not rejoice, all you Philistines, that the rod that struck you is broken; from the root of that snake will spring up a viper, its fruit will be a darting, venomous serpent.


The leftists greatly rejoiced in Trump’s defeat. This is the first twist, this prophecy came in the year that Ahaz died, didn’t say it came after Ahaz died. The root of that snake, if you are talking about Trump, is of course the MAGA movement and the Deplorables.

30 The poorest of the poor will find pasture, and the needy will lie down in safety.


So that movement is made up of the poorest of the poor. They are finding pastor, they are being led to take over precincts in the political process and to take over school boards.

But your root I will destroy by famine; it will slay your survivors.


What is the root of the leftists movement? Some say that George Soros is funding it, obviously the oligarchs like Zuckerberg have contributed hundreds of millions to swing (steal) the election. The Lord takes them down with a one - two punch. First he destroys these oligarchs with famine. What happened to Coca Cola and MLB when they moved the All Star game out of Atlanta? The ratings plummeted. What happened to the NFL and NBA when they got woke? They went broke. The ratings across the board are down 40%. Facebook and Twitter have both shot themselves in the foot, forcing people to move to other platforms like GETTR. Now with the Ukraine war that knocks out 33% of the world's wheat imports as well as the lion share of fertilizer and 10% of the world's oil imports. Not only so but we are seeing the collapse of the real estate bubble in China, something much bigger than the mortgage meltdown in the US, the destruction of the Russian economy, and China is now locking down cities with a new strain of the pandemic. We are also about to see the response, Russia has just evacuated high ranking officials to underground bunkers in a "nuclear drill" and they are working out a deal with 100 countries to dump US dollars at the same moment. That is the famine. Then they will destroy “your survivors”. We are talking about what happens after this catastrophic meteor shower, after Babylon is burned with fire, stripped naked and devoured. After the Zombies and fallen angels have their little get together. After all that the survivors who get to see the fruit of what they did, only then will they be slain.

31 Wail, you gate! Howl, you city! Melt away, all you Philistines! A cloud of smoke comes from the north, and there is not a straggler in its ranks.


There is a suggestion that we will see nuclear missiles coming to us from “the North” which would be over the North pole, hence Russia. “There is no straggler” suggests all these missiles hit at one instant. A cloud of smoke indicates an attempt to confuse us and prevent us from seeing and communicating. This would be an EMP explosion which would take out all of our telecommunications. It could be a two week communications blackout.

32 What answer shall be given to the envoys of that nation? “The Lord has established Zion, and in her his afflicted people will find refuge.”


When the UN peace keepers arrive in the US what will they find? A spiritual revival of Biblical proportions. So big that Isaiah was able to see it thousands of years ago.
 

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1John 4:19-21 How we identify the Antichrist

19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

This is the basic principle for how we know the antichrist and the spirit of the antichrist. What was it that Antiochus, Titus, and Hitler all had in common? They did not love their brothers and sisters. They elevated their words above the words of God. They reject the Lord’s word to love others even as He has loved us. On the contrary, instead of being willing to die for others they were all very willing to have others die for them.

So then how do we know “The Antichrist”? We can see that there have been many antichrists, many who have chipped away at the recognition of Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. Many who have elevated their words and their commands over His. Titus was an example of the antichrist just as Judas was a type of the false prophet. Titus used cunning deceit to destroy Jerusalem. He told the Jews that if they wanted to celebrate Passover they could, then when they entered Jerusalem he locked the gates and kept them locked in there until they all starved to death.

Daniel 8:23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.

This is what the Hunter Biden “laptop from hell” reveals. It is evidence that Biden for many years was completely wicked, that John Kerry and Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama were also complicit. They could not have accomplished this without the help of Adam Schiff, some in the FBI, and NSA, and some of the judges. The major news outlets like CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC as well as the NY Times and Washington Post are also complicit. Of course Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are working with them as well as google. In other words those who are selling out this country, the rebels, also translated as “the transgressors” have become completely wicked. At this time a “fierce-looking king”, “a master of intrigue” will arise. Fierce looking king can also be translated as impudent.

Gill says it refers to “impudent brazen faced man, who had no shame nor fear in him; regarded neither God nor man” Impudent means “not showing due respect for another person”, rude. Brazen means bold and without shame. The very first thing you will notice in the antichrist is that he is rude, does not show the proper respect for other people, and is shameless. The second thing is that he is a master of intrigue, he understands dark sentences, riddles. He is well versed in wicked politics and can penetrate into the secrets of others. In my own opinion based on my observation we are seeing “wicked politics” by the Democrats and their allies.

24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. I agree with Benson’s commentary that this refers to two groups of people: the mighty, and the common man. 25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. Regardless of who it is they are egotistical and narcissistic. Without any doubt we are seeing deceit prospering at this moment. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. Wow, many think that Biden’s victory was so that this entire deep state of the mighty could feel secure.

Revelation 3:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

There are similarities between this person who was resuscitated and Jesus who was resurrected. With Jesus we say “who is like unto our God” and with this one they say “who is like unto this beast”. Causing the whole world to “wonder after him” implies a form of worship.
 

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Once again the Atheists bite the dust

The following are favorite verses of the Atheists to try and discredit the Bible.

Isaiah 38:8 behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees which hath gone down with the sun on the dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned on the dial ten degrees, by which it had gone down.

Joshua 10:12 Then spoke Joshua to Jehovah in the day when Jehovah gave up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand still upon Gibeon; And thou, moon, in the valley of Ajalon! 13 And the sun stood still, and the moon remained where it was, until the nation had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? And the sun remained standing in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a full day.

This is seemingly impossible, and yet we now know that this "planet X" which is 5x the mass of Earth could stop the Earth in its rotation and even cause it to move backwards. This is not some tin foil hat conspiracy, we have known for decades based on the orbits of the planets that there are other large bodies in our solar system that we are not accounting for.

They used to cling to the story of Noah being proof that the Bible was mythology until that story has all been fully confirmed scientifically.

They used to also cling to the story of Moses crossing the Red Sea until we found all the chariots in the bottom of the Red Sea and we found a special tomb for all of Pharaoh's firstborn.

Well the same is true of the rapture.

The day will come when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.
 

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Zephaniah 1 -- Rapture: the Lord's bidden guests to the sacrifice He has prepared

1 The word of the Lord which came unto Zephaniah the son of Cushi, the son of Gedaliah, the son of Amariah, the son of Hizkiah, in the days of Josiah the son of Amon, king of Judah. 2 I will utterly consume all things from off the land, saith the Lord.


This is the judgement that has been declared for the Day of the Lord. This is the purpose of the Great Tribulation, to “utterly consume all things from off the land”.

3 I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the Lord.


This will be a major extinction event. We know that much of this extinction is due to man himself, he is the problem. So God is going to take the same strategy that evil men used with “the stumbling blocks of the wicked”. For example we tried to exterminate the Buffalo since the Indians depended on them. In the same way we have tried to come up with sensible laws that would protect the rainforest from being burned down to feed cows, or keeping fowls locked up in cruel sheds or overfishing of the ocean. Wicked men have ignored and violated these laws. Not because they aren’t necessary, but because if everyone else keeps the laws they can get rich while everyone else pays the price to keep the world from disaster. So guess what happens when those who are paying the price to keep the world from disaster are taken away in the rapture? It will be like a mad man driving a car without brakes.

4 I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests; 5 And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the Lord, and that swear by Malcham; 6 And them that are turned back from the Lord; and those that have not sought the Lord, nor enquired for him.

Here is the second issue that will be dealt with. People have forsaken God for idol worship. The great tribulation will cut that off. The NBA playoffs saw a 70% drop in ratings. Hollywood has had to stop the release of movies since the theaters were closed due to the Pandemic. The Oscars saw a huge drop in their ratings. Likewise with live shows like Broadway and TV shows like Saturday Night Live. Now, what do you think happens when things get real bad? Imagine a world with hyperinflation, over 20% unemployment, fires, floods, pandemic, riots, looting, and blackouts. Do you think they’ll say “let’s take a break from all this and go to an NFL game”? If the power goes out will anyone be watching the TV, or listening to the radio, or using the internet? The mainstream media surely represents many who have not sought the Lord nor enquired of Him.

7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord God: for the day of the Lord is at hand: for the Lord hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

The day of the Lord refers to the Great tribulation. God has prepared all of these things, these idol worshippers, and all these who boast against the Lord, mocking Him, for His sacrifice. He also has bid his guests. What exactly is the rapture? All those who loved the Lord and Loved His appearing are bidden to attend the Lord’s coronation and wedding. There is a great feast, a great celebration. How do you feed such a great banquet? Well something or someone is going to have to pay, to be sacrificed. When those who love the Lord are raptured, those who aren’t will be left behind to be sacrificed.

8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

Today we see corruption and want it to be punished. It will be on this day. When you see some of these people and the things they are wearing the only way to describe it is "strange apparel".

9 In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit.


We are seeing many protest “abuses of power” and “corruption”. But we are learning as we dig down deeper that this has been full of violence and deceit. Trump claimed that he would “drain the swamp”. Then for four years while president there was a never ending string of accusations against him and investigations to impeach him. Many of these claims have been completely unfounded, others have been shown to be fabricated by his political opponents. Then we had a story hit from a major media outlet that provided physical evidence that Biden’s son received millions of dollars from both Russian and Chinese sources as a way to buy influence with his father, the Vice President. This story was based on emails from Hunter Biden and these various sources. However Twitter and Facebook censored the stories. Their rationale was completely hypocritical in light of their history of running anti Trump stories. There can be no more illusion that these major media outlets censor and manipulate news stories based on their own biases. The country has been filled with deceit and this deceit has led to violence.

10 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord, that there shall be the noise of a cry from the fish gate, and an howling from the second, and a great crashing from the hills. 11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off.

We have not got to that day yet. That day will take place after the rapture, after He has bid his guests. But you can get an idea today. This is when the merchants of the world cry who will buy our stuff. This is the judgement that comes on the Great Babylon in one hour when the Earth goes through the meteor shower from the tail of the Dragon.

12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The Lord will not do good, neither will he do evil.


No one properly considered the implications of the rapture. Instead they have stupid ideas about cars crashing and planes falling from the sky. The rapture will make a very clear distinction between those who are enjoying the Lord’s banquet feast and those who are paying for it. Instantly you will have those who are in heaven and those who are in hell. Not the “real” hell yet, simply a glimpse of how really horrible hell can be. There are many Christians who are "settled on their lees" who say the "Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil".

13 Therefore their goods shall become a booty, and their houses a desolation: they shall also build houses, but not inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, but not drink the wine thereof.

Again, we have just seen a glimpse of what is about to happen. Watch the fires in California. There was a vineyard burned down, the owner standing on the ashes said “everything they had built up over the years was gone”. There were houses burned up, again people saying everything they had built over the years was gone. Unless you repent and turn to the Lord this is what the Great Tribulation will be for you.

14 The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Once again, we have seen a glimpse of this as well. We have seen coaches of NBA and NFL teams as well as players crying bitterly on the news. Just this week Rafael Nadal discovered he is now suffering from ill effects from the Covid vaccine. A few months ago he was saying that Djokovic knew the consequences that he would suffer for not getting vaccinated, I guess we can assume that Nadal also knew the consequences he would suffer for getting the vaccine. NYC is prohibiting Djokovic from playing even though they are not mandating vaccines for people to watch the matches. But now without Nadal or Djokovic they will see a massive drop in their ratings. Who knows when the next shoe will drop.

15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

They will be treated as dust and dung. Take away the breath of the Lord and that is all that we are. All these people have tried to take away the breath of the Lord. So, fine, without the word of God you are nothing but dust and dung. The whole “circle of life” thing that you embrace. With what judgement you judge you shall be judged.
 

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Acts 1:1-11 I tell you the end from the beginning

1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.


The former book is the gospel of Luke. That book presents the gospel to those who are raptured in the first rapture. They are like the honor students, for them the gospel began months before Jesus was born whereas Mark is the “Cliff notes” version which begins with the ministry of John the Baptist. He doesn’t say he is writing this for “the honor students” but rather for Theophilus, those who love God. He also says that the gospel tells us all about Jesus from beginning to the day he was taken up to heaven. But this final part is amazing “after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles He had chosen”. The Lord’s ministry had this goal to give instructions to the apostles and it didn’t stop at his crucifixion, those instructions continued right up until He was taken up. The Lord’s ministry is an example for us. It is the pattern.

3 After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God. 4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”


There is a basic principle that God tells us the end from the beginning. We are here right now giving many convincing proofs from the Bible, from our experiences, from the signs in the heavens, from dreams and visions that everything we are witnessing is what we were told must happen. We are also talking about the kingdom of God. We are also told by the Lord that we need to be watching and waiting for His return and here the disciples are told to be watching and waiting for “the gift my Father promised”. To be baptized with the Holy Spirit is to be immersed “with” the Holy Spirit.

6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

It is not for us to know times or dates, however what is for us to know is Jesus. We are to be His witnesses. Not only so but what we will receive is not some secret information about what the Lord is going to do, no we will receive power to actually work together with the Lord to do what the Lord is going to do. There is a strong contrast between what the Lord says here about the date of restoring Israel with what the Lord says in the gospels when asked "when will these things be an what will be the sign of your coming". The Lord gave a detailed and comprehensive answer to the signs we would see prior to His coming.

9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.


That is the rapture. The Lord’s resurrection was not “the rapture” event even though the rapture indicates the resurrection power. Rather the prototype of the rapture event is right here when the Lord is taken up in front of them.

10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”


Again, God is telling us the end from the beginning. The way the church age begins is the way it will end. So then our focus should be to remain in “the city of God, the city of Peace” until the end of the age, to give many convincing proofs that the Lord resurrected and is alive, to speak on the kingdom of God, and to be the Lord’s witnesses.
 

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Verse References that the Pre - tribulation rapture takes place in the Summer

There are only 2 seasons in Israel, Summer and Winter and the equinox is the dividing line between the two.

Today "the winter is past"

Song of Songs 2:10 My beloved spake and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For behold, the winter is past, The rain is over, it is gone: 12 The flowers appear on the earth; The time of singing is come, And the voice of the turtle-dove is heard in our land; 13 The fig-tree melloweth her winter figs, And the vines in bloom give forth [their] fragrance. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away!

This is a clear reference that it is not in the winter.

Amos 8:1 Thus did Jehovah shew unto me; and behold, a basket of summer-fruit. 2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer-fruit. And Jehovah said unto me, The end is come upon my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more.


This verse is a play on words because the expression basket of summer fruit sounds like the same word they have for "apocalyptic end". It corresponds nicely with Song of Songs, so this end comes at the time of harvest of the summer fruit. Also we just had an archaelogical discovery of basket of summer fruit from Israel and from this time (Post #1732). A basket of summer fruit would be seen around the time of the feast of trumpets when most think the tribulation will begin.

Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.


A third reference that ties nicely in with Amos and suggests that the rapture (our being snatched or saved from the Tribulation) takes place in the summer and also refers to the rapture as a harvest of the first fruits. Not only so but this suggests that after the fall equinox we will see the tribulation begin.

Luke 21:29 And he spoke a parable to them: Behold the fig-tree and all the trees; 30 when they already sprout, ye know of your own selves, [on] looking [at them], that already the summer is near. 31 So also *ye*, when ye see these things take place, know that the kingdom of God is near.


Yes, the Lord is likening the seven year tribulation to the "summer" but is He also referring to the start of this with the pre tribulation rapture as well taking place in the summer?

Luke 13:6 And he spoke this parable: A certain [man] had a fig-tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit upon it and did not find [any]. 7 And he said to the vinedresser, Behold, [these] three years I come seeking fruit on this fig-tree and find none: cut it down; why does it also render the ground useless? 8 But he answering says to him, Sir, let it alone for this year also, until I shall dig about it and put dung, 9 and if it shall bear fruit—but if not, after that thou shalt cut it down.

Many have noted that this is the fourth year since the Revelation 12 sign. You would not have fruit on the tree until the end of the summer. And this year on the Jewish calendar is the "Dung" year (all numbers are Jewish letters so they also spell out names).

Proverbs 10:5 He that gathereth in summer is a wise son; he that sleepeth in harvest is a son that causeth shame.


The Lord is a wise son so we can conclude He will be gathering in the summer. The sleeping church are the sons who cause shame.

John 11:6 When therefore he heard, He is sick, he remained two days then in the place where he was.

Many think these two days refer to the church age. We also know this takes place immediately before Passover and at the time of the spring equinox.

7 Then after this he says to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again. 8 The disciples say to him, Rabbi, [even but] now the Jews sought to stone thee, and goest thou thither again?


This refers to Jesus returning at the end of the age to Israel as the Messianic King in glory.

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?

There are 12 hours in the day on the Equinox. The Equinox according to the Bible is "the end of the year". The Spring equinox would be the end of the winter, the new moon after that would be the first month of the year. The autumnal equinox would be the end of Summer, the new moon after that would be Rosh Hashanah. This particular equinox is the spring equinox because Jesus was resurrected in the first month of the year, the beginning of summer. So then it would make sense that the First fruits, the basket of fruit, would be gathered at the end of summer.

11 These things said he; and after this he says to them, Lazarus, our friend, is fallen asleep, but I go that I may awake him out of sleep.


The rapture of Lazarus is going to wake up the sleeping church. Later it even describes this event having a profound effect on the world so that they have to crucify Jesus or else the whole world will follow Him (chop off heads during the tribulation).

12 The disciples therefore said to him, Lord, if he be fallen asleep, he will get well. 13 But Jesus spoke of his death, but *they* thought that he spoke of the rest of sleep. 14 Jesus therefore then said to them plainly, Lazarus has died.

The rapture first and foremost is going to raise the dead who have died in Christ.

15 And I rejoice on your account that I was not there, in order that ye may believe. But let us go to him.


Again, the rapture will be a great opportunity to strengthen the faith of the believers.

16 Thomas therefore, called Didymus, said to his fellow disciples, Let *us* also go, that we may die with him. 17 Jesus therefore [on] arriving found him to have been four days already in the tomb.


Again, it has been 4 days since the Revelation 12 sign. In fact, on the Equinox it will be a full four days.
 

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Even if the Bible doesn't tell us the day or the hour we could still know the day and hour

He struggles with many things but this could be simplified very quickly. Perhaps the Bible does not tell us the day or the hour and yet those who are watching will know the day and the hour. Sounds like a paradox but there is a solution.

If Pastor Sandy is right and this year ending April 2nd is the year of ascending, then the Bible tells us the year. It could be any day or hour, but as the time slowly clicks down the number of possible days shrinks until we would only have one day left and one hour left. At that point if we do know the year then we would also know the day and the hour.

Which coincidentally would be on "April Fool's day" -- Fools for Christ.
 

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Two weeks?

Leviticus 12:5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.

Yes, the raptured saints will be the man child caught up to heaven, but what about those who are left behind. They will be like giving birth to the weaker child, the daughter. As a result the church will be "unclean" for two weeks. I suspect after the rapture we will see this two week period of time.

Psalm 8:2 Through the praise of children and infants you have established a stronghold against your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger.

Actually everyone will be silenced, the religious ones, the so called "experts", the atheists, the enemies, even the the Freemasons.

Psalm 12:3 May the Lord silence all flattering lips and every boastful tongue—

Psalm 31:8 Let their lying lips be silenced, for with pride and contempt they speak arrogantly against the righteous.

Psalm 63:11 But the king will rejoice in God; all who swear by God will glory in him, while the mouths of liars will be silenced.


At the same time that those who swear by God will glory in Him the mouths of liars will be silenced.

Psalm 143:12 In your unfailing love, silence my enemies; destroy all my foes, for I am your servant.

Isaiah 47:5 “Sit in silence, go into darkness, queen city of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms.


Queen city of the Babylonians refers to the major cities like Washington DC, London England, and New York City. The US has been called the "queen of kingdoms" but no more. So then I suspect the collapse of the US will coincide with the rapture. Just like our covenant says, blessed are those who bless you and cursed are those who curse you.

Lamentations 2:10 The elders of Daughter Zion sit on the ground in silence; they have sprinkled dust on their heads and put on sackcloth. The young women of Jerusalem have bowed their heads to the ground.

There are going to be many genuine believers who will be put to shame at the time of the rapture.

So then, if the two weeks ended with a "Passover feast" it would indicate a rapture taking place at the end of this month followed by this two week period prior to the Passover feast on 14th of Nisan. The organized religion that "gave birth to a girl" the weaker saints who are not raptured will be unclean for two weeks. That is then followed by 60 days which is very close to the feast of Pentecost when you take into account 3 days in the tomb and 7 days of unleavened bread.
 

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Interesting point -- because Mary and Martha buried Lazarus they would be unclean for 7 days, however, since Lazarus was in the grave for 4 days that would indicate the dinner could have been 3 or 4 days later, unlike his theory that this is the 8th day after the resurrection. However, my thought is different though related.

Suppose they were unclean for two weeks because they had given birth to a girl. The man child would be the rapture, and those left behind would be the girl child. They are unclean for two weeks, like Moses' sister they are outside the camp in silence repenting. Two weeks later they have the dinner with the Lord. Two weeks before the 8th of Nisan would be the 24th of Adar. The first of Nisan is approximately the evening of April 1, morning of April 2nd.

Following the dinner in Bethany (dried figs) there is the triumphal entry into Jerusalem with everyone saying Hosanna, testing the lamb and then the Passover meal. It is very hard to figure out when the rapture is, but my thought is half the story is those who are raptured and the other half are those who are woken up by the rapture. It seems to me that the Passover is given to strengthen the believers to then leave Egypt as an army. Let's consider these believers.

1st -- They need two weeks of repentance, silence before the Lord, for their unbelief and weak bible teaching.

2nd -- they return to the Lord, eat with Him and are strengthened.

3rd -- the whole world glories and rejoices in the Lord

4th -- the believers choose out a lamb without blemish. There will be many ministries that are rejected at this point.

5th -- the believers are then strengthened to leave Egypt as an army as the tribulation is about to begin. According to Revelation 12 we get a flood of refugees fleeing to the wilderness, just as Israel left Egypt. This age began with Jesus ascending to the heavens and the rapture will be a new beginning for a whole group of believers.
 

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Luke 12:40 And ye therefore, be ye ready, for in the hour in which ye do not think [it], the Son of man comes.

The Pre-tribulation rapture takes place before the rapture, it is not a set feast for all because not all will be raptured, and it is in an hour you do not think, hence it is not a set feast day. The Feast of Trumpets should be the start of the tribulation which is why Mark and Matthew refer to that day. The rapture should take place about two weeks before the Feast because their will probably be a telecommunications blackout after the event, the Lord telling the Earth to be silent before Him.
 

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Isaiah 26:1-11 -- Do you see what I see?

1 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks.


This day refers to the Feast of Trumpets and is prophetic for the end of this age. I like this song, this coming cataclysmic event is evidence that there is no savior but our God and there is salvation in no other name.

2 Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.


This verse refers to the rapture of the saints. What is confusing is that there will be at least two raptures, a “pre trib rapture and a post trib rapture”. That is for the believers, then on top of that there is the rapture of Israel. So I suspect this is closer to the conclusion of everything, not the beginning.

3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. 4 Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength:

The saints are raptured to a place of perfect peace during the tribulation.

5 For he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust.

While the saints are kept in heaven the Lord will bring down the arrogant to the dust. These aren’t saints, so they must be unbelievers. Many believers have the mistaken understanding that we have nothing to do with what is happening on the world, or with the leaders of these countries. The bible weaves the story of what is happening to both together. One verse it is the rapture, the next verse is the judgement on the corrupt rulers.

6 The foot shall tread it down, even the feet of the poor, and the steps of the needy.


This is justice, as they have done it will be done to you. They tread down the poor and needy, so it is only right that they are tread upon by the poor and needy. We have been commanded to love others as the Lord loved us. He loved us when we were in sin, when we were dead in our sins and offenses. Then we are told to love in deed, not just words. So it is a commandment of the Lord that we stand in defense of unbelievers, sinners, and those who are in sins.

7 The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just. 8 Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O Lord, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee.

Those who are raptured are judged. You have the wise and foolish virgins who either did or did not prepare. You also have those who are taken in the field and in the bed, while others are left behind. You have those who are feeding God’s people when the Lord returns and you have those who are burying their talent and feasting with the world. Those in the bed, are they sleeping? That wouldn’t make sense because we are warned repeatedly to watch and not sleep. Does it mean that some will be sick and infirm when the Lord comes? Or is it simply referring to the fact that when the Lord returns it will be night in some parts and day in other parts?

9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

This will begin the millennial kingdom of Christ where His judgements are in the earth and the world will learn righteousness. It begins with the world reaping what they have sown during the tribulation.

10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.

Many do not understand why the Lord tarries in His judgement, but it is to prove this point. Shewing the wicked favor does not result in their repentance from evil. Likewise, they see a land of uprightness as a prime opportunity to run their scams since people are naturally trusting. Regardless of how much you might speak on the majesty of the Lord they will refuse to see it.

11 Lord, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.

And this is why the end of this age is a time of rejoicing for some and a time of woe for others. Do you see the Lord’s majesty? Do you see that His hand is lifted up? Deal with your envy, because when the Lord judges it is like a forest fire that devours up all the dried out trees.
 

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Isaiah 26:12-21 Open ye the gates

12 Lord, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.


The church is the Lord’s masterpiece, He has been building it for 2,000 years and the end of the age is a display of all the works He has wrought in us.

13 O Lord our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name. 14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.


Human history also testifies to the greatness of our Lord. We discover every day that many, many societies that existed previously have all been visited, destroyed and their memory has perished. What is it that makes Israel special? It is the Bible.

15 Thou hast increased the nation, O Lord, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth. 16 Lord, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them. 17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O Lord.

This is the great sign in heaven that we saw September 2017, and which John wrote about in Revelation 12. Our prayers are precious to God and God's answer to our prayers is precious to us. This is what makes our experiences special.

18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.


At the time of the Lord’s coming the people of God will be in pain, like birth pains, crying out to Him. The world may be rejoicing, but once the baby is born and caught up to heaven (the first rapture) then the world’s rejoicing will turn to sorrow and God’s people will be the ones rejoicing.

19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

The dead in Christ rise and then those of us who remain will also be with the Lord in the air. Hymns of praise and worship, that is what makes a celebration special. We have the word, we have answered prayers, we have songs of praise and we have testimonies of those who have been raised from the dead.

20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

During the Tribulation those that are raptured are able to hide in these chambers till the Lord’s indignation is past. But what will the situation be like? The Lord will be indignant at the sins and abusive behavior of the corrupt leaders. Reading this chapter I was apprehensive, not another chapter about a zombie apocalypse, or gloomy dark demons released from their chains to go chase down the Lord's enemies on Earth. But we don't have to see that, we can hide in our chambers for a moment while the Lord's indignation is past.

21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


This is a picture of the end of this age. It begins with the festival of trumpets and this chapter in Isaiah is always read during this festival. After the rapture we have the four horsemen of the apocalypse followed by the fifth seal where the martyrs are revealed and their blood under the altar is disclosed. What are the horsemen? The Gospel and the false gospel (represented by the White horse), war, famine and plague. What we will learn is that there are many, many people responsible for these atrocities that the Lord will punish at this time. A lot of blood guiltiness will be revealed and punished.