Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Let's be clear what God actually said about false prophets

Here is the Biblical definition:

Deuteronomy 13:1 “If a prophet or someone who has dreams arises among you and proclaims a sign or wonder to you, 2 and that sign or wonder he has promised you comes about, but he says, ‘Let us follow other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us worship them,’ 3 do not listen to that prophet’s words or to that dreamer. For the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. 4 You must follow the Lord your God and fear Him. You must keep His commands and listen to His voice; you must worship Him and remain faithful to Him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he has urged rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the place of slavery, to turn you from the way the Lord your God has commanded you to walk. You must purge the evil from you.

Following other gods like keeping Christmas with all the pagan idols and symbols or Easter with all those pagan idols and symbols.

6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and worship other gods’—which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 any of the gods of the peoples around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other— 8 you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him. 9 Instead, you must kill him. Your hand is to be the first against him to put him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death for trying to turn you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the place of slavery. 11 All Israel will hear and be afraid, and they will no longer do anything evil like this among you.

For example the New Age movement.

There is also this

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

This does not refer to someone interpreting scripture incorrectly like Apollos. You have to say that the Lord gave you this word, this would refer to the Mormon's and the book of Mormon.

Before you decide to stone someone better makes sure you understand the law.
 

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This is much more important than knowing when the rapture is.

Amos 8:7 The Lord has sworn by himself, the Pride of Jacob: “I will never forget anything they have done.


Who cares when the rapture is if you are not taken? You have to be forgiven of all your sins, you have to have cleansed your robes in the blood of the lamb. First you confess your sins, second you ask for the Lord to wash you in His blood, and then you must show the works that are meet for repentance. For example, the high school kid that the movie "Catch Me if You Can" is based on sinned. He wrote fraudulent checks worth millions and committed a number of other acts of fraud. He was caught, he went to jail, and then he began to work helping prevent fraud. That is what a "work meet for repentance" looks like. People who were in gangs start ministries ministering to kids in gangs. People who were felons start a prison ministry. People who stole food from others start a soup kitchen ministry. Dr. Barnet says he grew up in a family with domestic violence and he witnessed a terrible marriage. So he has prayed very much about marriage and has given us an example of what a wonderful marriage can look like. Dr. Barry Awe felt that church services and sermons were boring and so he has made more entertaining sermons.

8 “Will not the land tremble for this, and all who live in it mourn? The whole land will rise like the Nile; it will be stirred up and then sink like the river of Egypt.

It is outrageous. The festival of trumpets announces the coming of the victorious king. You celebrate this with a burnt offering and you stop everything else to celebrate His coming. You think this attitude and behavior is not insulting to the Lord? You think He will forget what you have done? This is the day we have been waiting and looking for and you insult the Lord?

The waters represent people in the book of revelation. The rapture will take place worldwide, the whole land will see people rise. Then when they realize what has happened and that they are now left behind then they will sink like the river and mourn.
 

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They will fall never to rise again

Amos 8:9 “In that day,” declares the Sovereign Lord, “I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.

I am a geologist and have no idea what this is. But we are told again, and again and again that this is what happens when the sixth seal is opened, so amen and amen. There are two potential theories, one much more likely than the other, that I can make as a geologist. If the Earth is hit by a large meteor then that would put a tremendous amount of dust into the air and darken the earth in broad daylight. This would be very catastrophic. The cold weather and lack of sunlight would have a huge impact on food production and people freezing to death. The second theory is that you have a super volcano explode. That also would put a lot of dust into the air and darken the earth with the same results. It is also possible that a meteor hitting the earth could trigger volcanic activity. When the sixth seal is opened there is a great earthquake and that could be what this is talking about.

10 I will turn your religious festivals into mourning and all your singing into weeping. I will make all of you wear sackcloth and shave your heads. I will make that time like mourning for an only son and the end of it like a bitter day.

They are “your” religious festivals, not His. If you were celebrating His festival of trumpets you wouldn’t ask when the Sabbath and New Moon was going to be over, you wouldn’t complain about the cost of the burnt offerings, you would be rejoicing and blowing the trumpet, celebrating the coming of the king. So let's consider this, suppose a meteor hits the earth, causing a huge earthquake and a lot of volcanic activity. The sun is darkened during the day, next years crops are a complete loss and the earth is much colder. However, Easter is coming and we want to make sure the kids have a good time? Really? Still going to have an easter egg hunt or eat chocolate bunnies? I don't think so. After a catastrophe like that people would horde food, the shelves would be bare and although there is probably enough grain to feed us for a year it would be stockpiled, and kept from the masses to keep the elites and the preppers alive. How about July 4th, still going to have a cookout? Doubt it. By this time there would be roving gangs with guns. You have a barbecue and they will steal it before you can eat anything. How about thanksgiving? How about Christmas? This verse doesn't just say you will be poor and starving, it says you will be mourning for an only son and it will be like a bitter day. Amos 8 is talking about after the rapture. "In that day" is a very specific reference. A "basket of summer fruit" is a very specific reference. After the rapture those left behind will be in a dire situation and at the same time they will be mourning that they had not been faithful to the Lord. The rapture is where you get snatched out of the way of certain calamity, like being pulled out of the way of an oncoming train. When they go up the meteor comes down. Once that meteor hits the ground you know there will be millions killed, some right away, some will linger, some victims of gang violence, and some will starve to death or freeze to death.

11 “The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign Lord, “when I will send a famine through the land—not a famine of food or a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.

This is very interesting. The four horsemen of the apocalypse include war and famine. But this is different, this is a hunger for the word. Based on the context I would say God is talking about the tribulation after the sixth seal is opened. At that time there will be a famine for food. But if you saw the rapture and you realized it was the tribulation, despite this being a great depression and despite war, famine, and plagues. What you would be most desperate for is the word of God. You know you are going to die, what you don't know is whether or not you will spend eternity with the Lord.

12 People will stagger from sea to sea and wander from north to east, searching for the word of the Lord, but they will not find it. 13 “In that day “the lovely young women and strong young men will faint because of thirst. 14 Those who swear by the sin of Samaria— who say, ‘As surely as your god lives, Dan,’ or, ‘As surely as the god of Beersheba lives’— they will fall, never to rise again.”


Read Amos. He sees God’s word in current events and in History. He sees God speaking to the US, to the UK, to France, to Germany. Yet these people are staggering from sea to sea and can’t find the word of God? Did they think to read the Bible or has it been locked up so that they are unable to? This is interesting, God has switched from "In that day" to "the days are coming". Why do you think suicide rates are so high? People are desperate for the word of God. Why do you think 100,000 die of drug overdoses each year in America? They are fainting of thirst and swearing by the sin of Samaria.
 

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He became the author of salvation to those who obey Him

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

I did a search on the word "author" in the Bible and it only appears three times in Hebrews, but instead the word authority showed up many times.

Authority -- the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience.

So then the book that Jesus has authored was done because He had the power or right to give orders, make decisions and enforce obedience. He got that right because He died to set us free, He paid the price for us.

Hebrews 5:9 he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;


This is interesting, Jesus only becomes the author of eternal salvation to those that obey Him. You still have your free will.

Hebrews 12:2 looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Jesus faith is written into this book and for those who look unto Him He will become the author or your faith. I like this term "perfecter" I think it is better than teacher. As a teacher I learned very quickly that my job is not measured by what I teach but rather by what the kids learn. After the first year the kids took the state exam and i was very upset that so many got things wrong that "I had taught". Yes, I had taught it but they hadn't learned it. It is not good enough that Jesus has given us an example of faith and has blazed a trail for us to follow, He also needs to be "the perfector" of that faith. Just like Paul says in Romans "if in anything you are otherwise minded" this will be made known to us.

This gives us a very interesting picture. We were dead in our offenses and sins, just like it says in Psalms we had "made our bed in Sheol". That is a realm, it exists on Earth today, in that realm God is there, He can speak to us, and like throwing a rope down to someone in a well He can pull us out. However, this pit is not a place of salvation, it is a place we get saved from. If we want to make our faith perfect we must "look unto Him". That means we must go where He is. This is a process where we choose to be separate from the world, this is a different realm. So at the same time that the Lord is speaking in a meeting of believers there are others who are at a bar or a club and are in Sheol. You were rescued from that place but now you must choose to go to the other place to be separate. This is sanctification and if you choose to be sanctified then the Lord will sanctify you, washing you in the water of the word. This is how He becomes the author of our faith and how our faith is made perfect. So we can see three different realms, like bubbles or a "multi verse", you have hell, you have a halfway place and you have the upper room where Jesus is speaking and perfecting.

In fact we then learn that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He is not the God of the dead! These ones who we think have "died" are not dead. Read the Bible, their faith is every bit alive today as it was thousands of years ago. in this "multi verse" with heaven, hell and earth we have this entire realm of "living faith". It is called the Bible. Dive in, make it alive today!

For example I recently experienced the portion about Jesus telling the disciples to go to the other side, they labored all night and a storm came up and they thought they were going to drown. They wake up Jesus and immediately all is well. Here is what happened:

DeBlasio mandated the vaccine for both my wife and I. We knew that we did not need the vaccine and did not trust him so instead of taking the vaccine we resigned from our jobs. We also knew we wanted to still work so from September I knew I wanted to move. Since that day I have felt like I have been rowing against the wind and waves to move out. It was very tough going as my wife has lived her whole life in NYC. Finally I turned to prayer, awakening Jesus within me. At that point my wife began investigating the city we were looking at, she would keep coming to me with things she discovered. I prayed more and she found a real estate broker and put the house up for sale. I prayed more and we got an offer. Her sister who is on the deed felt it was too little so I prayed more and the offer was raised. We signed the contract and then I asked them to come to Sioux Falls, SD to visit the city and look at houses. Up to that point they had not agreed but then they agreed and the next day we left for SD. I prayed the Lord would be a tail wind and sure enough the first day we are there we see a house we like which we had looked at on the internet, we made an offer and they accepted it. The second day we set up financing and begin applying for jobs. We were in SD for five days, signed a contract for a house, set up the closing, worked out the financing and got jobs. However, her sister was dodging her about signing the contract to sell the house in NY. That threatened to sink the entire thing, so I prayed and immediately she signed.
 

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The Lord will track every one down

Amos 9:1 I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and he said: “Strike the tops of the pillars so that the thresholds shake. Bring them down on the heads of all the people; those who are left I will kill with the sword. Not one will get away, none will escape.

The point is that no one will escape. Many translations say "strike the lintel" so this is like one of those police movies where the cops break down the door. Then SWAT enters in and will kill all those inside.

2 Though they dig down to the depths below, from there my hand will take them. Though they climb up to the heavens above, from there I will bring them down.

I saw a video about how there are 34,000 bunkers in Switzerland. One bunker had an underground tunnel that was 8 kilometers long. In the US I have seen large underground bunkers that 18 wheelers can drive into. I have heard that these underground tunnels span the entire continent and are connected by high speed trains underground. I heard Russia has a complete underground city in the Urals. We know we have astronauts who in the space station but I have heard we also have space stations that are not public. But the Lord knows where they are hiding and He will get every one of them.

3 Though they hide themselves on the top of Carmel, there I will hunt them down and seize them. Though they hide from my eyes at the bottom of the sea, there I will command the serpent to bite them.

When the tribulation begins they will hunt down every single person to be jabbed or else get their head chopped off. You can forget about living "off the grid", no one will escape.

4 Though they are driven into exile by their enemies, there I will command the sword to slay them. “I will keep my eye on them for harm and not for good.”

The Lord is saying you can run, but you can't hide. Vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord. Anytime you want to take revenge for some wrong or injustice, remember that, no one can repay like the Lord. Whatever you would do would be puny in comparison. So be at peace, love the Lord, do good to others, love your enemies and forgive and let God take care of the rest.

I love this word. I don't want to see people judged, I don't want to see people go to hell, but I love this promise of the Lord because it frees us. Do not worry about judging others, don't worry about someone pulling a fast one on the Lord. He will bring every single person to account and He will do a better job than you ever could. Instead just focus on your own stand, focus on making sure that you can stand before the Lord in that day. The Lord has told us what we are to do and He said that we would be blessed if when He returns He finds us doing that.
 

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Christmas and Easter

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.


I get it. Many Christians understand that there are pagan practices and idols associated with these holidays but they mean nothing to them.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


We can celebrate the Lord's birth and not be affected by all the other stuff around Christmas, we can celebrate the Lord's resurrection and not be affected by all the other stuff around Easter.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

But what about your kids? Do they understand that? Or do they buy into Santa and all the other idols?

8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

If a church celebrates Christmas it doesn't make them better than a church that doesn't and likewise if a church refuses to celebrate it they also are not better or worse.

9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

However, if you are stumbling the weak in the faith, that is a very big problem between you and God.

10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

This is not hypothetical, it is a fact. Many children are turned off from the church and from the Bible when they discover that they were lied to about Christmas.

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

This is the sin against Christ. Yes, you sit there sing "Hark the Herald Angels Sing, Glory to the Newborn King" and you are worshipping Jesus. But your 8 year old is singing "Rudolph the Red nose reindeer" and praying to Santa for toys. Jesus died for that child and you will be held accountable for this.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

This is my stance on Christmas and Easter. It isn't about me. It is about the children who are weak in the faith.

The bottom line is that if the church puts up a Christmas tree they have given their seal of approval to the pagan worship of this idol even if those who are stronger in the faith know that it is nothing.

Perhaps you don't teach your kids that Santa is bringing them presents in the middle of the night. But you have given a fig leaf to all parents that do and are meeting at the church.

Now some pastors feel guilty and so will speak on this to make sure everyone understands that Jesus was not born on Christmas, the tree is not part of the Bible, Santa is a lie, etc. But that doesn't justify putting up that tree. You give that message in one meeting of the year, yet that tree is up for two months. It is simply the testimony of a guilty conscience because you know kids are being damaged.

This is not hypothetical. Anyone who has preached the gospel knows that many people were turned off from the Bible as soon as they learned that Santa was a lie.

What is the real reason that pastors and churches are steadfast to hold onto these pagan practices? I have heard pastors making it very clear they understand they are pagan and yet they still put up the tree. Could it be that these two days are the two days they get the biggest attendance and also the most donations in the year?

If you "celebrate Christmas" in the US do your kids watch the Christmas movies?

Let's look at these.

Some are obviously evil:

The Grinch and Scrooge are both slandering anyone who doesn't celebrate this holiday. Make a similar movie about Islam and they would issue a Fatwa. Satan is the slanderer, these movies are clearly coming from Satan.

The Miracle on 42nd Street -- clearly ties in faith to God to faith in Santa. As evil and twisted as it gets.

Charlie Brown's Christmas -- all about the worship of the Christmas tree. Call that tree an idol and it is as though you hate Charlie Brown.

Then there are a whole bunch of movies and cartoons that create this whole world of "spiritual characters" like Santa, Easter bunny, Abominable snowman, etc. that make kids think that these characters are no different from the ones in the Bible.

It's a wonderful life -- most people would assume this is the best and most wholesome movie of the bunch. It centers on an angel named Clarence trying to save a suicidal man. Clarence is a man who died several hundred years prior to this movie and his job is to save our hero so he can get his wings. So they present angels as dead people, and they present angels as the ones who preach the gospel of salvation. In order to save this man Clarence let's him see what life would be like if he had never lived. This isn't a movie about what life would be like if Jesus never lived. The gospel is of good works, not of redemption. This is the best Christmas movie there is and it does not present Jesus, does not present His salvation, it is man centered and filled with errors.

You don't get to pick and choose, if you celebrate Christmas you take the whole thing and you feed it to your kids, and they watch this year in and year out. They are pickled in this stuff.
 

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3 months ago the Lord warned that the Pandemic would be 100x worse.
 

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What is a Prophet?

There is no basis to take the greek word for prophet and say all it means is some "future teller" like some hokey palm reader.

This is Vine's definition (in purple)

Prophet:

"one who speaks forth or openly" (see PROPHECY, A), "a proclaimer of a divine message," denoted among the Greeks an interpreter of the oracles of the gods.


Everyone in the New Testament is supposed to be a proclaimer of the divine message and therefore is by definition a prophet.

In the Sept. it is the translation of the word roeh, "a seer;" 1Sa 9:9, indicating that the "prophet" was one who had immediate intercourse with God.

Every believer is supposed to have immediate intercourse with the Lord Jesus. Hence, a prophet.

It also translates the word nabhi, meaning "either one in whom the message from God springs forth" or "one to whom anything is secretly communicated." Hence, in general, "the prophet" was one upon whom the Spirit of God rested, Num 11:17-29, one, to whom and through whom God speaks, Num 12:2; Amo 3:7, 8.

Every believer is supposed to have the Spirit of God resting on him and should be one through whom the Lord speaks. Hence, a prophet.

In the case of the OT prophets their messages were very largely the proclamation of the Divine purposes of salvation and glory to be accomplished in the future; the "prophesying" of the NT "prophets" was both a preaching of the Divine counsels of grace already accomplished and the foretelling of the purposes of God in the future.


If you preach the divine counsels of God then you are a prophet, by definition. If you preach about the grace that has once for all been accomplished then you are by definition a prophet. If you preach about the purposes of God in the future including the rapture, the tribulation, and the coming judgement then by definition you are a prophet.
 

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Mark 5 The other side of the story

Jesus Restores a Demon-Possessed Man

5 They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes. 2 When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.


Corruption has two sides. We are learning this from Britney Spears. You could think that she was the poster child of the corrupt and immoral society and yet you then learn that she was chained and enslaved to be this sex goddess. In the same way you may look at the horrific planned pandemic and think of how evil and corrupt these people are, but if you go to the other side you find that those who are actually doing this work are themselves slaves, they have made their dwelling in the tombs. China harvests the tissues from living babies that are 42 months old for “tissue banks”. They harvest organs and all of the different tissues. There are millions of babies being processed, chopped up, and used for their research and treatment. The people that work there are slaves of these demons and they work on an assembly line just like those making cars.

6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!” 9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” “My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

There are many demons involved here. For example the universities that are these “tissue banks”, the scientists doing research with this tissue, the NIH which is funding this, the abortion clinics who profit from these abortions, those who have stipulated that 25% of the abortions must be black despite Blacks only representing 13% of the population, the politicians who are directing tax payer funds to pay for this holocaust. But how do you clean it up? Who are these pigs that are going to get slaughtered as they run into the sea and get drowned. We have a saying in the stock market, bulls and bears make money, pigs get slaughtered. This entire industry is funded by “pigs” who are getting fat off the profit. Once they get exposed they will be left holding the stock that gets tossed into the sea and they will be slaughtered.

14 Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. 15 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. 17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.

You better be afraid. When the people who are involved in these corrupt heinous acts get saved and are in their right mind everyone involved needs to fear. They have the inside knowledge that can cause the entire house of cards to collapse. The people “tending the pigs” are the stock brokers, hedge funds, and investment banks. Wall Street doesn’t want anything to do with Jesus so you can be sure when the day of judgement comes it will be very bad for them.

18 As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed begged to go with him. 19 Jesus did not let him, but said, “Go home to your own people and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” 20 So the man went away and began to tell in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him. And all the people were amazed.

There we go, that is what they fear most. Not only will he speak of the evil and the sins and the corruption and the death, he will also share the gospel and hope and forgiveness for others who are also enslaved by sin. With the Lord Jesus there is forgiveness, that is what they fear most. The chain that binds all these caught in sin is the idea that there is no forgiveness for them. Break that chain and many will repent and leave that life of sin.
 

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What happens to those who say, ‘Disaster will not overtake or meet us

Amos 9:5 The Lord, the Lord Almighty—he touches the earth and it melts, and all who live in it mourn; the whole land rises like the Nile, then sinks like the river of Egypt; 6 he builds his lofty palace in the heavens and sets its foundation on the earth; he calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land—the Lord is his name. 7 “Are not you Israelites the same to me as the Cushites?” declares the Lord. “Did I not bring Israel up from Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir? 8 “Surely the eyes of the Sovereign Lord are on the sinful kingdom. I will destroy it from the face of the earth. Yet I will not totally destroy the descendants of Jacob,” declares the Lord.

The Lord brought Noah through the flood and he brought Israel out of Egypt. He split the Red Sea and He also brought a deluge on the Earth. He is the sovereign Lord, trust Him. Jesus told the Jews "do not say that we have Abraham as Father" because God is able to raise up children from these stones. We have to wash all of our arrogance out of our system. That can only be done one way and that is to be immersed into the triune God, to drink of Him everyday and let the water of life flush out our system of this arrogance. Why do people have these big mansions. You may think that it is more comfortable. I had a friend who lived in a really big house with his parents and his sister. They were on the ocean, they had a boat house, a little pond and a huge yard. Once when I visited him I discovered they had closed off half the house! They had staircases, rooms, the whole bit that they never even went into because it was too much work to keep clean! I had another friend who was also quite wealthy, again four people in the house, it wasn't as big, but still they had rooms that were closed off because they never used them. Downton Abbey is about a "great house" in England. They had five people who owned the house and about ten servants who also lived in the house. The house regularly, on a daily basis had people from all over the area visiting, eating, and meeting with the "Lord" of the manor. It was like the Whitehouse, the reason it is so big is because there are a lot of people working in there. There is no need to have these giant mansions or even these very large houses today except for ego. The same is true of some of these cars like Hummers. No doubt there are people who truly need a mini tank, but for 95% of the people who own a Hummer it is all ego.

9 “For I will give the command, and I will shake the people of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, and not a pebble will reach the ground. 10 All the sinners among my people will die by the sword, all those who say, ‘Disaster will not overtake or meet us.’

This is a great picture and a great explanation. We put grain into a sieve so that we can wash away everything that we don't want to eat. This is what the Lord is saying, the tribulation will wash away everything that isn't grain. We will all be shaken, washed, but only the things that aren't children of God will be washed away. This is similar to what John says in the book of Revelation that anyone who changes the words of that prophecy would be cursed. I have heard all kinds of human logic to explain away the prophecies concerning the Day of the Lord. You should be aware that the Lord knows this and has made it clear there is a curse for anyone who tries to nullify His word.
 

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Mark 5:21-43 Jesus Raises a Dead Girl and Heals a Sick Woman

21 When Jesus had again crossed over by boat to the other side of the lake, a large crowd gathered around him while he was by the lake. 22 Then one of the synagogue leaders, named Jairus, came, and when he saw Jesus, he fell at his feet. 23 He pleaded earnestly with him, “My little daughter is dying. Please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live.” 24 So Jesus went with him.

We have two people who are sick and praying for the Lord to heal them, a girl who is 12 (it is the father, the synagogue leader who comes to Jesus) and a woman who has been bleeding for 12 years. The woman comes up while Jesus is going to heal the 12 year old and sort of sneaks in there to get healed also. I think we need to look at these two stories as one interrelated story.

A large crowd followed and pressed around him. 25 And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years. 26 She had suffered a great deal under the care of many doctors and had spent all she had, yet instead of getting better she grew worse. 27 When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak, 28 because she thought, “If I just touch his clothes, I will be healed.” 29 Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering.

I think this is critical to understanding this story, she had spent all she had to get better with various doctors for 12 years and instead of getting better it got worse. This is just like our government, it seems they promise us whatever we want to hear but instead of getting better it just continues to get worse. Think of our cities, they have been bleeding for 12 years. Think about the poor with the mortgage meltdown and all the riots and chaos. They have given everything they have to these “doctors” and instead of getting better things have just gotten worse. Her thought is “if I can just touch Jesus clothes” she doesn’t even hope to touch Jesus, simply let me touch his clothes. We are told that our clothes are our “righteousnesses”. If we could just get someone who would actually do what they promise, forget about being holy or righteous or anywhere near the standard of Jesus. We don’t need someone who is “holier than thou”, all we need is someone who will do what they say and the bleeding will stop. For example the cities can’t deal with the gangs and the gang violence if we can’t shut down the cartels crossing the border. If we could just get someone who would close the border to the cartels and gang members then the bleeding would stop.

30 At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, “Who touched my clothes?” 31 “You see the people crowding against you,” his disciples answered, “and yet you can ask, ‘Who touched me?’ ”
32 But Jesus kept looking around to see who had done it. 33 Then the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell at his feet and, trembling with fear, told him the whole truth. 34 He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering.”

There are crowds right now like the "MAGA" nation and the populist movement. They crowd around Jesus but do they actually touch Him? Much of this is just foolish noise, thinking that some politician is going to make a difference, or if we could only elect so and so. I mourn for the people of America who are like sheep without a shepherd and these leaders who are more like the pigs in Animal Farm. The solution is not "an honest pig". You have to touch Jesus, that is the solution.

35 While Jesus was still speaking, some people came from the house of Jairus, the synagogue leader. “Your daughter is dead,” they said. “Why bother the teacher anymore?”

This is the Stop the Steal movement. How many times have we been told to stop “bothering the teacher”. The mass media called it, the legislators certified it, the judges have rejected every appeal. Kari Lake lost, etc. etc. etc. She is dead, stop bothering the Lord.

36 Overhearing what they said, Jesus told him, “Don’t be afraid; just believe.”

See that is the point, no one listens to the mass media, we all know that politicians are liars and cheats, and the judges are just as corrupt. As long as the Lord tells us to “just believe” then that is what we are going to do. This is how God shakes His people like rice in a sieve.

37 He did not let anyone follow him except Peter, James and John the brother of James. 38 When they came to the home of the synagogue leader, Jesus saw a commotion, with people crying and wailing loudly. 39 He went in and said to them, “Why all this commotion and wailing? The child is not dead but asleep.” 40 But they laughed at him. After he put them all out, he took the child’s father and mother and the disciples who were with him, and went in where the child was. 41 He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means “Little girl, I say to you, get up!”). 42 Immediately the girl stood up and began to walk around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished. 43 He gave strict orders not to let anyone know about this, and told them to give her something to eat.

The vast majority of people are outside making a big commotion, lacking in faith, and certainly lacking in knowing what is going on inside that room. There are only a few in the room who truly know what is going on, just like the few people involved in the audits and prosecuting these cases. But once this movement is raised from the dead they are going to need to “eat”. They will devour the evil doers, the crooks, the perpetrators of this fraud. What is the command? Get up, get involved, take part in the precincts, get involved in investigating the election fraud, let Texas build a wall, etc.

Jesus only takes three in with Him, Peter, James and John. I think this is symbolic. There are three groups of people at the end of the age, those who are raptured first, then those who come out of the tribulation, and finally the Jews. All three of these groups will see this and have this experience. What we are seeing now with election fraud and the vaccine mandate is a forerunner of what they will see in the tribulation with the Antichrist reign and the mark of the beast, and it is what the Jews will see when Antichrist sets himself up in the temple as God.
 

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Israel’s Restoration

Amos 9:11 “In that day “I will restore David’s fallen shelter— I will repair its broken walls and restore its ruins— and will rebuild it as it used to be, 12 so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that bear my name,” declares the Lord, who will do these things.

I have worked in construction. I have been involved in demolition and I have been involved in repairing, restoring and building up. The Day of the Lord is a demolition of the satanic world followed by a restoration of the natural world, and a building up of the heavenly kingdom.

13 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills, 14 and I will bring my people Israel back from exile. “They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the Lord your God.

Both Joel and Amos talk about the “trickle down economy”. I love it. The tax structure was set up to favor the rich at the expense of the poor and it was justified as a “trickle down” economy. What we saw was the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That is one of the causes for God’s judgement. But in the coming age we will have the real trickle down economy.
 

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Jeremiah 18 -- Lord you know all their plots to kill me

1 This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2 “Go down to the potter’s house, and there I will give you my message.” 3 So I went down to the potter’s house, and I saw him working at the wheel. 4 But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him. 5 Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted,10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

This is what we are seeing with the US constitution. Our country was formed as a new form of government, it was an experiment in democracy, and it can be reformed. The scandal with the Biden family needs to be investigated. How deep and far reaching is it? We have an indication from a variety of documents and activities during the Obama administration that Biden, Clinton, Kerry and Obama were all compromised. They were selling influence to billionaires, banks involved in money laundering, a wide variety of countries, and even the Chinese government and spy master. This influence appears to include the FBI, the major media outlets like ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, and the tech giants of Facebook and Twitter. This election appears to be fraudulent. The massive “mailed in ballots” not being counted by election night allows them to see which states must be won and by how many votes, and then they can make changes according to how many votes they need and who already voted. This is a combination of the appearance of evil in some cases and overwhelming evidence in other cases. The incredible arrogance to just ignore questions about this, claim that it is a smear campaign without denying any of the authenticity of the evidence, and to then think they will be able to steal the election is very insulting to the God in whom we trust.

11 “Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, ‘This is what the Lord says: Look! I am preparing a disaster for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways, each one of you, and reform your ways and your actions.’ 12 But they will reply, ‘It’s no use. We will continue with our own plans; we will all follow the stubbornness of our evil hearts.’” 13 Therefore this is what the Lord says: “Inquire among the nations: Who has ever heard anything like this? A most horrible thing has been done by Virgin Israel.

Consider how evil this plan was. For months they promote bogus polls of Biden winning by double digits. They pass laws allowing ballots to be turned in by mail, that postmarks are not required, and that the signature doesn’t need to match our records. They also pass laws that these can be received after the election is over, allowing those committing fraud to see who has voted and make sure they don’t send in ballots for them. Then on election day you declare states for Biden when only a small percentage of the vote is in yet refuse to declare key states for Trump even though they may have 95% of the vote in. Why? So that it gives the appearance that Biden is winning in both the popular vote and electoral college votes. How can they behave this arrogantly? Simple, they control the narrative, they control what you hear, and they think they can control what you will think. But then the arrogance to do this again in 2022, that is the stubbornness of an evil heart.

14 Does the snow of Lebanon ever vanish from its rocky slopes? Do its cool waters from distant sources ever stop flowing? 15 Yet my people have forgotten me; they burn incense to worthless idols, which made them stumble in their ways, in the ancient paths. They made them walk in byways, on roads not built up.

What we have learned is that the Chinese approach is an ancient way. They involve your family, buy up your family, and get you compromised through them. They take a long term view investing in people for ten or twenty years, even longer. With every contact their tentacles reach further and further into the government and administration. While they enrich themselves they send our economy overseas and turn beautiful cities like Detroit into a wasteland.

16 Their land will be an object of horror and of lasting scorn; all who pass by will be appalled and will shake their heads.

It is unimaginable. In the 50s Detroit was the envy of the whole world, today it is an object of horror. For countries like China, Japan and Europe with thousands of years of history a collapse like that in a single generation is an object of horror and scorn. Look at Oakland and Los Angeles, objects of horror and scorn.

17 Like a wind from the east, I will scatter them before their enemies; I will show them my back and not my face in the day of their disaster.”

Now is the time to pray and repent. Once the day of disaster hits they will be scattered like dust in the wind. At that time the Lord will not hear your prayers.

18 They said, “Come, let’s make plans against Jeremiah; for the teaching of the law by the priest will not cease, nor will counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophets. So come, let’s attack him with our tongues and pay no attention to anything he says.”

Basically they put their fingers in their ears and yell “lalalalala I can't hear you!".

19 Listen to me, Lord; hear what my accusers are saying!

Maybe they won’t hear him, but the Lord will.

20 Should good be repaid with evil? Yet they have dug a pit for me. Remember that I stood before you and spoke in their behalf to turn your wrath away from them. 21 So give their children over to famine; hand them over to the power of the sword. Let their wives be made childless and widows; let their men be put to death, their young men slain by the sword in battle.

By all means, let Hunter Biden be judged, let Jim and Joe Biden be judged. Let Kerry’s step son be judged. Let Kerry and Clinton be judged.

22 Let a cry be heard from their houses when you suddenly bring invaders against them, for they have dug a pit to capture me and have hidden snares for my feet. 23 But you, Lord, know all their plots to kill me. Do not forgive their crimes or blot out their sins from your sight. Let them be overthrown before you; deal with them in the time of your anger.

Lord, we pray that you would suddenly execute the subpoenas, and bring to light all their sins in discovery. Thank you for Project Veritas and their exposure of CNN’s fraud and deceit.
 

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Interesting idea. There are a number of verses in the book of John where the Lord says He would raise us up on the last day. Suppose the 31st is the "last day".

Now there is another prophecy in Proverbs which says the adulterous woman says the good man of the house returns on the appointed day, the full moon. The full moon is January 6th. Suppose that is the day the antichrist is revealed.