Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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A word to the Fatherless

Saying 7

23 When you sit to dine with a ruler, note well what is before you, 2 and put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony. 3 Do not crave his delicacies, for that food is deceptive.

We are still talking about righteousness and having a balanced stance. The last saying said that if you were skilled in your work you will serve before kings, now this one says if you do sit with a ruler or king make sure you are not given to gluttony. This is one of the key lessons we learn from Tom Brady. He was not given to gluttony. He could have demanded a much higher salary but he didn’t. As a result the team was able to afford other key players which played a major role in their winning so many Super Bowls. You always hear about some superstar quarterback giving expensive gifts to his offensive linemen. That is stupid, if he had taken 5 or 6 million less in salary the team could have afforded the best offensive line there is, that in turn would give him a few extra years in the league, better stats, and more wins.

Saying 8

4 Do not wear yourself out to get rich; do not trust your own cleverness. 5 Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings
and fly off to the sky like an eagle.

The goal is not to get rich, it is to be skillful at your job. Larry Bird exemplified this, he was not interested in interviews, talk shows, or advertisers. He understood that the one thing that mattered most was being skillful at his job. There is a story that he was home practicing on the court he had, his girlfriend was told explicitly not to bother him with trivial matters. Sport's Illustrated called and wanted to do a cover story on him so she felt this was important, she called him in off the court. When he discovered the reason he rebuked her, apparently a cover story in Sport's Illustrated was an example of something he felt was trivial.

Saying 9

6 Do not eat the food of a begrudging host, do not crave his delicacies; 7 for he is the kind of person who is always thinking about the cost. “Eat and drink,” he says to you, but his heart is not with you. 8 You will vomit up the little you have eaten and will have wasted your compliments.

Again, let’s learn from Tom Brady. New England would have renewed his contract but they were definitely a begrudging host and wanted him to retire. If you don’t go willingly they can force you out by creating an environment for you to fail. It is the best move to leave gracefully the minute you realize they want you to leave.

Saying 10

9 Do not speak to fools,
for they will scorn your prudent words.

We saw this last year, Trump said that you could treat Covid with Hydrochloroquine and scorn was heaped upon him. Yet he was right, his words were prudent.

Saying 11

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Do not move an ancient boundary stone or encroach on the fields of the fatherless, 11 for their Defender is strong; he will take up their case against you.

This is a repeat, it is like a refrain. After several sayings about people who are very skilled at their job and yet were not appreciated. Why would New England want to get rid of Tom Brady when he was still playing at an elite level, was an outstanding teammate, and was willing to play at significantly less than market value? He was fatherless just like Joe Montana. In both of their cases the coach was not glorified in their success, instead the debate was over who was most responsible for the success. This is a warning to the coach and the owner, do not try and disrespect a Tom Brady, don’t try to encroach on his field, because his defender is strong. The worst thing for Belechik’s legacy is his attempt to say that Brady was past his prime. This is also the biggest shame to Boston, it reminds us of Babe Ruth and now Tom Brady. Each was the best player in his sport while he played and yet both were despised by Boston teams. Consider the US, after a year of attacking and tearing down statues of great generals and leaders in US history we saw how utterly incompetent and pathetic these "woke" leaders were with the debacle in Afghanistan.
 

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30 Sayings of the Wise continued

So far we have seen all various things that go on before you even get on the field. Don’t be a glutton when negotiating a contract, if they don’t want you it is better to leave, be careful about trying to ruin someone’s career with a bad reference, focus on practice and developing your craft rather than opportunities to cash in.

Saying 12

12 Apply your heart to instruction and your ears to words of knowledge.

This is how you improve. It doesn’t say to listen or even to obey, it says to apply. This means you are taking the instruction and words of knowledge and applying them to your craft. This is what James means when he says “faith without works is dead”. He means you need to apply your faith to your ministry.

Saying 13

13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish them with the rod, they will not die. 14 Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

Definitely not politically correct, but very true. People attacked Michael Jordan when the book “Jordan’s Rules” came out portraying him as a bully. He wasn’t a bully, that is absurd, bullies pick on weaker people. He was disciplining his teammates with the rod to save them from collapsing under pressure during the playoffs. He changed the culture from a losing team to a dynasty. I heard Robert Parrish comparing Jordan's leadership to larry Bird. Bird set an example whereas Jordan was much more "in your face" but when Jordan came to Chicago this team had a culture of losing and when Bird went to Boston they had a culture of winning.

Saying 14

15 My son, if your heart is wise, then my heart will be glad indeed; 16 my inmost being will rejoice
when your lips speak what is right.

I am always reminded of Seattle versus the New England Patriots in the Superbowl. Seattle had driven down to the goal line at the very end of the game. New England was leading but a touchdown here would win the game for Seattle. They had one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL and they had one of the best short yardage running backs in the NFL. It looked like the game was over and then a rookie or 2nd year cornerback made a great play to intercept the ball in the end zone. That interception snatched victory from the jaws of defeat for New England. Later the story came out that the coach had been very tough on this particular player trying to drill into him how to defend this play just days earlier. During the practice you might think the coach has it in for me, but later when you have won the Super Bowl you realize he is rejoicing as much as you are that you acted in a wise way.

Saying 15

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Do not let your heart envy sinners, but always be zealous for the fear of the Lord. 18 There is surely a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off.

“There is always a future hope for you”. Isn’t that great! The sinner steals something and is dancing and rejoicing, don’t envy them, no, be zealous for the fear of the Lord and there is always a future hope for you. In 2020 Tampa Bay Buccaneers traded their star quarterback Jamieson Winston to New Orleans and brought in Tom Brady. During the regular season New Orleans played and beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers twice and you can see Jamieson Winston celebrating those victories. But then they met in the playoffs and Tampa won. Every time you lose use it to motivate you to study your weaknesses and improve them and there is always hope for you.

Saying 16

19 Listen, my son, and be wise, and set your heart on the right path: 20 Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, 21 for drunkards and gluttons become poor,
and drowsiness clothes them in rags.

Again, the focus is on being skillful at what you do. Riches fly away, drunkards and gluttons become poor. The goal is not to get a big fat contract or to be the toast of the town. I hated the New England Patriots, I came up with every reason in the book why Tom Brady is overrated. In the end it was undeniable, I saw the little things he did like not take a big salary and to not think more highly of himself than he ought, and ultimately realized there is a lot more to being successful than just running and throwing.

Saying 17

22 Listen to your father, who gave you life, and do not despise your mother when she is old. 23 Buy the truth and do not sell it— wisdom, instruction and insight as well. 24 The father of a righteous child has great joy; a man who fathers a wise son rejoices in him. 25 May your father and mother rejoice; may she who gave you birth be joyful!

Candace Owens is a black woman who is a pundit. She makes a very strong case that in the US discrimination against blacks is not the issue, the issue for blacks is broken families and fatherless families. One of the ten commandments is to honor your father and mother that it may be well with you (be successful) and that you may live long on the earth (have a long career and a long life). You see this rule proven time and again.

Saying 18

26 My son, give me your heart and let your eyes delight in my ways, 27 for an adulterous woman is a deep pit, and a wayward wife is a narrow well. 28 Like a bandit she lies in wait and multiplies the unfaithful among men.

You don’t want to slide into a deep pit, you will lose your cart, your horse, everything. Also you don’t want to fall in love with a wayward wife, you will get bruised and it is very difficult to escape. How does she snare a husband? It is as though she were a bandit lying in wait. Not only so but she will multiply the unfaithful, she will teach her children her ways.

Saying 19

29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? 30 Those who linger over wine, who go to sample bowls of mixed wine. 31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! 32 In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper. 33 Your eyes will see strange sights, and your mind will imagine confusing things. 34 You will be like one sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging. 35 “They hit me,” you will say, “but I’m not hurt! They beat me, but I don’t feel it! When will I wake up
so I can find another drink?”

Why do people turn to the bottle? Perhaps a failed marriage, perhaps a miserable career, etc. If you are envious of sinners you will likely ignore your mother and father, you will get snared by the adulterous woman, get damaged, lose everything and then turn to the bottle.
 

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Mark 13:1-13 When is the Big Day?

1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here! 2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Every time the gospels take up this burden they put it into this context that not one stone of the temple will be left upon another. We hear this from many different perspectives, a great shaking is another example. The worldly system is a condemned building, it will go up in flames and not one stone will be left upon another. This is a major point for the tribulation and end of the age. Also, it seems that Mark is talking to those saints in the tribulation and Luke to those taken before the tribulation and yet both have this verse. I think this is a reference to the rapture. The sixth seal is a great earthquake which I think is a reference to the rapture. My unusual "hybrid" theory is that the first five seals are opened during the church age right after Jesus ascended to the throne room. The sixth seal is the rapture before the tribulation. However, the first three and half years of the tribulation is like "summer school" where all these key points are hit in rapid succession, so all those left behind will again see the seals opened. During the age of grace we saw how to discern counterfeit Christs. During the tribulation they will learn how to discern "the Antichrist". During the age of grace we saw how the worldly system under Satan uses war, famine and pandemics to seize more power and how they shut up those who say anything by killing them. During the tribulation the believers will get the cliff notes version of this. Then at the end of the first three and a half years they too will all be taken. Many will be martyred like the two witnesses.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

The question is very clear, and it is a question that many ask, even today. Jesus does not tell them “it is not for you to know”. Instead He goes into great detail about what they need to watch for.

5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This is the first seal. Many use the fact that there have been many deceived on this issue as a basis to mock anyone who talks about it. That is a mistake, when the rapture comes it will be a great testimony to the world that Jesus Christ is king and that He is the savior of the world. This is because everyone on earth knows that the rapture is part of our basic teachings. To ignore it or be ashamed of it because previous people have been deceived is precisely Satan’s strategy. Others will take the fact that many have been deceived as an excuse not to study it because “who can know” and “there are too many interpretations”. The Lord told you this would be the case. The fact that there are is a fulfillment of prophecy, it is also an indication of how big a deal this is to Satan. In football I was taught to “fight the pressure”. If they are trying to push you one way you want to fight against that pressure. Satan is clearly trying everything in his arsenal to get the saints to talk about anything but the rapture. This is also how you get deceived. Convincing you to ignore this is a win for Satan. Jesus, Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Peter, Jude, none of these guys ignored this. When you are in a game like football or basketball the coaches will practice 2 minute drills repeatedly, because they don’t want any confusion at that moment in the game. Scam artists will use different techniques to get you to fear that you have to act now or lose all hope. When you are fearful your thinking brain shuts down and all you have left is the “fight or flight” response. It is “yes or no”. So then, we are much better served if we dive into this, think about it soberly and don’t allow ourselves to be in a time crunch where you don’t have the time. That is also how many are deceived.

7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

This is the second seal. There are a lot of things that must happen in this age. Jesus is Lord, so all the human kingdoms have to be exposed as corrupt and dead. It was essential that the US would be formed with our constitution. World War II was critical to serve as an atonement and open the door for the Jewish nation to be reformed. We needed Hitler to prefigure the Antichrist. We also needed the technological advancements that we saw in the Gulf War. The church age is also the age of scientific advancement. All these things “must needs be”. But now we have something completely new "rumors of war". For six thousand years if you went to war everyone knew it, there were swords and horses, and guns and dead people. But now we have cyber attacks, we have all of this CIA stuff, all this deep state stuff, all of this bioweapons stuff. Was the Pandemic an act of war? Right now it is simply a rumor of war.

8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

This is the third seal and the fourth seal. The beginning of sorrows. The comparison of the end of the age to a woman in travail giving birth is one overriding theme. A pregnancy involves a lot, not just the last day of travail. The New Testament makes it clear that believers must go through a fiery tribulation. This age has had many, you didn’t have to wait until the tribulation to go through trials.

9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

This is the fifth seal. The purpose of preaching the gospel is not simply so that the lost can be saved. There are those that will reject the gospel. They cannot be judged without a testimony against them. It doesn’t matter if the gospel is received or rejected, the fact that it is preached is effective and that word will not return void.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

Do not despise the written word. We need to speak the word and we need to publish the word. People use the word in Matthew that it must be preached, but that is not the word in Mark. Here it simply must be published. Because of the internet the gospel has certainly been published among all nations. This is a prophecy that could not have been fulfilled prior to this age with the internet. This is the mission for the tribulation saints. In Matthew the mission is that it is "preached" in all the world. Luke doesn't have this verse.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.


You might be intimidated, but the Holy Spirit isn’t. This is the opportunity He wanted, let Him speak.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. 13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

So if you want an idea of how bad it will be there you go. In Matthew it says "many shall betray one another and hate one another" not just your close family members. But in Luke it is far more comprehensive: "And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death." This refers to the entire age of grace. You get betrayed by parents (deprogramming) and brethren (a lot of the opposition comes from those who claim to be Christians) and kinsfolks (not just immediate family, but cousins. I got suspended on Facebook and I feel it was most likely a cousin of mine) and friends (people at work, neighbors, etc).
 

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A rapture dream

Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

I prayed once for a rapture dream and got one that same night. However, since then I avoid praying or asking for a dream because I want the Bible, the word of God, the more sure word of prophecy to be what I am standing on. However, that dream did turn me to look at the Lord's table as a dress rehearsal, an appointed day, for the rapture. That caused me to mistakenly think the rapture would be on the lord's day. But the Lord's day is the day of resurrection, and the Lord's table was held when they were celebrating the passover, once Judas left it became the Lord's table. This also corresponds with another answered prayer. For a long time I was praying about the word that the day of the lord comes like a thief in the night, it was only recently that I realized that Judas came as a thief in the night and this is right after the Lord's table. These two events happen in the same 24 hour period just as the 8th of Av (Pentecost -- feast of new wine) leads into the 9th of Av (the day the stones of the temple are cast down, the judgement on the house of God, the day that the tribulation begins with judgement on the house of God).

Anyway, when I read Acts we have two witnesses, just like we do during the tribulation, you have Peter and Paul.
 

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Only in Luke

Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled,
And every mountain and hill shall be brought low;
And the crooked shall become straight,
And the rough ways smooth;
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.


All three synoptic gospels have similar accounts of John the Baptist's ministry, however, only Luke has this prophesy. The other two gospels conclude with "make his paths straight". This indicates that Luke is to those who do the prep work for this highway. You have mountains (the elites) and you have valleys (the deplorables) and in Luke they bring these elites low and they fill in the valleys. This is what happened over the last two thousand years, the preparation for this highway has been done. The finish work will be done during the tribulation with the tribulation saints and when Israel turns to the Lord.

Right now we see this prep work of preparing the ground for the road happening. News story after news story is exposing the elites, it is bringing them down. Likewise, protest and rally after protest and rally like the stop the steal rallies and the Trucker protest and what is happening in France are filling in the valleys. People are discovering how essential the "deplorables" are.

The crooked shall become straight. When we look at the election process it is extremely crooked and I am at this moment watching Mike Lindell bring in thousand and thousands of affidavits of fraud. We began this age with the entire worldly system being crooked, then when we saw democracies spring up we saw that more and more the crooked was made straight. Right now we are seeing the elites rebel against this process, they would rather burn down the world than give up power.

The rough ways smooth -- we have seen this as well. We saw school board meetings that were "rough". Arresting a father who was complaining about his daughter being raped and the school board covering it up. In another meeting they wouldn't let a father speak because he wasn't "diverse" enough since he was white. But more and more the lie has been exposed and this rough way is being made smooth.

And all flesh shall see the salvation of God. How do you see the salvation of God? You see lives transformed, you see these transformed people make the rough ways smooth, and make the crooked become straight.
 

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Only in Luke

Luke 19:39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples!” 40 “I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”

All three synoptic gospels have the account of Jesus triumphal entry into Jerusalem, but only in Luke does it have this portion. Luke is the word to those who are raptured prior to the tribulation. At that rapture the Pharisees and religious leaders will be rebuked. There are numerous prophecies about those of the synagogue of Satan being chastised and realizing that God really was with the church in Philadelphia.

So then at the present time we are seeing many so called experts, Phd's, priests, scribes, and other "Pharisees" rebuking those who are saying that the signs are pointing to the Lord's return and the Lord is saying hey, if they keep quiet the stones will cry out. Do you want that? What would that be, volcanoes and earthquakes? I don't know but it seems to me it is always better to choose the path the lord offers us rather than the broad way that leads to destruction.
 

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VISION OF PUTIN'S UNDERGROUND HANGARS 7-6-23@6:59AM (UPLOADED 7-7-23)

 

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PROPHECY--A DRY TIME


A DRY TIME

Jeremiah 51:47-48 47 Therefore, behold, the days come, that I will do judgment upon the graven images of Babylon: and her whole land shall be confounded, and all her slain shall fall in the midst of her. 48 The heaven and the earth, and all that is therein, shall sing for Babylon: for the spoilers shall come unto her from the north, saith the LORD.

My son, INFORM MY REMNANT THAT A DRY TIME IS COMING - A TIME WHEN HEARING MY VOICE WILL GROW SILENT AS THE JUDGMENTS COMMENCE IN EARNEST. I will speak to My children only to uplift and encourage them during the COMING PERSECUTION. I will warn when My children need to escape, and I will lead them to safety. There will be A DRY TIME OF MY WORD being read - as all Bibles will be confiscated and destroyed. The beast will have anyone who possesses My Word in print - arrested and killed. You will be a threat to the new world order.

My son, A DRY TIME IS COMING, and only those who are well grounded in Me will hear My voice. All that is to come has been revealed and written down by My watchmen and prophets. Many people in My body do not believe I still use watchmen and prophets to warn those in My body. REPENT NOW! for your lack of faith and not believing! I can do all things for the glory of the Father.

My son, A DRY TIME IS COMING, and the SHOUTING OF MY WARNINGS WILL CEASE, as all those who believe will have acted. I have said many times to REPENT NOW, for you do not know when you will be standing before Me. The events foretold will come quickly and in succession - one after another. There will be much death and destruction. DO NOT BE CAUGHT UNAWARE as many in My body will be. THE SHAKING WILL START SOON - AND THE WHOLE EARTH WILL FEEL IT. NO ONE WILL BE LEFT UNSHAKEN.

My son, hear now and say to these stiff-necked people - LEARN OF ME. Take My mantle upon you and hide My Word in your heart. Write My Word upon your heart and in a book that can be hidden. Soon the forces of evil will declare My Word as HATE SPEECH and will impose fines and penalties to ALL who possess it. A DRY TIME is coming, and that will be when the DARKEST OF THE DARK TIMES are upon you. REPENT NOW! and study to show thyself approved. BRACE NOW! and prepare, My children, for DRY TIMES ARE COMING. I love you all, and I WILL WATER YOU IN THE DRY TIMES.

Amen. Lord Jesus
 

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Only in Matthew

Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

All three synoptic gospels have the same account of the baptism except for this part about John the Baptist trying to prevent Jesus, this is only in Matthew. Consider that the three gospels are to three groups, like three fields that will be harvested at different times. The first shall be last and the last first. Matthew is to the Jews who are taken last whereas Luke is to the Christians who are taken first. This word by John demonstrates that they have been completely humbled at this point. There are verses and prophecies that indicate the Jews realize that Jesus is the Messiah, they look on Him whom they have pierced and feel ashamed and unworthy, yet the Lord is there to save them. This is the point of the tribulation, we must be humbled to put our faith in Jesus and not in ourselves.

This is in all 3 gospels


16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

This portion is identical in all three synoptic gospels. All of us need to see that Jesus is the Son of God, the one that God loves and the one in whom God is well pleased. The gospel says that we can believe "into" Jesus so that we too could be in the one that is the Son of God, the one that God loves, and the one that God is well pleased with. The lesson for those who are baptized is to stay inside of Jesus. Think of Jesus as a tank, as long as you are in Him you can survive the war. Whatever you do, don't leave Jesus and if by chance you did leave Him get back into Jesus as soon as possible.
 

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Secret to true joy

Job 38:1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Job and his friends are discussing why so many hardships have befallen Job. A building collapsed killing his children, thieves stole his flocks, sickness has befallen him. The debate has centered on whether or not Job deserved for all this to happen. God rebukes Job first, but then rebukes three of the friends who said that these things happened because of some sin from Job. God is saying these are words without knowledge.

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

What is a man? He is made in the image and likeness of the Triune God. We gird our loins with the truth, the expression of God. In other words stop whining and let's see a man that expresses God.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.


Job is saying that God is wrong, OK, God is asking him how do you lay the foundation for a man that expresses God? He is telling Job "I made the Earth, I laid the foundation for that, so I know what I am doing. Go ahead, show me where my error is in what I am doing with you."

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?


When we pour a foundation we must first carefully measure and set up forms to hold the concrete. Obviously Job didn't do that, but does he even know who did? Oh right, it was God.

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;


Our foundations are fastened on pillars that we drive into the ground, generally we dig down to the bed rock and lay the foundation on that. So God is telling Job that all that stuff that Job lost, that was God digging down to the bedrock. When everything is taken away from you what do you have left? In the end your life stands on Jesus Christ alone, the rock of our salvation. Your life must be built on that rock.

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

When you realize that everything can be taken away and yet you will still stand on Christ alone, then you can have true joy, then you can stand fearless, then you can express the triune God.
 

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How to shake the wicked out of the cities

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

In the bible the sea represents the nations, the gentiles, and it also represents the death waters. You have many unclean animals in the sea, jellyfish, and octopus, and sharks and poisonous snails. It is a wild, dangerous place and yet it is also a fabulous wealthy storehouse of food.

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

God takes care of the sea and we also realize how critical it is for our life and livelihood on this planet.

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, 11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

Go to the coastline and you will see the waves crashing on the rocks. Go during a windy or stormy day and you will see them crashing against the rocks like an army trying to storm the castle. The ocean is a force that no man can hold back and yet God has set a boundary for them. God has given us dominion over the earth and we also should be able to set a boundary for the gentiles, so that despite their power and pride and attempts to rule the world they would be kept in their place.

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

How brilliant is that? The wicked are shaken out of places that they don't belong. Think of the little fish in the ponds that form along the coastline. The sharks and bigger fish cannot go there. Think of the killer whales that get caught on the beach as they pursue prey in regions they can't go. Think of the scary fish in the sea that cannot come onto land. Think of a fish out of water flopping about.

So then how would we apply this? Let's consider inner city gangs. The inner city gangs need a steady stream of new members, often starting as young as 10. These are children of poor single mothers who are exhausted simply trying to provide for her children. These mothers get home from work at 7 pm and their children are out of school at 3 pm. The solution is simple, keep the children in school till 7pm. They can have nap time, recess, supervised study hall and dinner. If we do this from the time they are six to the time they are 18 you would starve the gangs of new members. Second, gangs need a steady stream of guns because when they commit a crime they have learned to discard the gun as that is the evidence that the police need to arrest and convict them. If you have a felony you can't buy guns so the gang will hire a guy who has a clean record to go buy a hundred guns for them every so often. The solution is simple, every gun must be registered prior to sale. That registration must be kept with the insurance company that insures the gun dealer. When a crime is committed with a gun the police can send a subpoena to every insurance company with the identification of the bullet and shell casing that can identify the gun. This will lead them to the gun dealer and the person who bought the gun. This guy will claim the gun was stolen from him. However, if he is buying guns in bulk, has bought a large number of guns, and all of these have either been implicated in a crime or has been "stolen" from the guy buying them the government can issue a claim against both the gun dealer that sold the guns and this person prohibiting them from buying or selling guns. Very quickly the gangs will run out of guns. By doing this we set a boundary so they would know their place and cannot operate in the inner cities. Third, the drug trade has a major achilles heel. They have to have a stash house for all the drugs just like any other business has a warehouse, and they need to have another location where all the cash is collected, counted, and shipped overseas to be laundered. Both of these locations will use the phone and then you will have cars that bring the drugs to the inner city or the cash to where it is shipped. We have the technology with cameras and other devices to track these. For example, they now have chips that can be put on a car which are virtually imperceptible and which the police can then track the car, where it has been. They can eliminate all pay phones and monitor phone calls. They can put up cameras everywhere in public to spot drug dealers, and observe them, identify them, and identify their cars. If the police shut down and seize the drugs from one of these stash houses two or three times in a year they can completely bankrupt a gang. The same is true of the money laundering operations. Even if they only have enough evidence to put the people in prison for six months it forces the gangs to replace them with less experienced kids. Also if someone is a felon the police have much more leeway about stopping them, searching them and holding them for questioning. Finally, the people at the bottom of the gang structure make very little money, when you turn the screws on the gang they can barely feed themselves. Therefore programs offering these kids two years of technical training at a boarding school in another city would be a very attractive deal. Every time one of these kids is arrested you can take them on a tour of some other facilities they can go visit. They can learn how to fix cars, or paint cars, or be a plumber or electrician, etc. You can pick up the kids for truancy before they have committed serious crimes.

This is how you shake the wicked out of your cities.
 

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Collectively we have learned about the savior

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

All of these questions we are trying to answer, not one person individually, but mankind collectively. You have to look at Job as depicting all of mankind. We are all going through trials and tribulations, hardships and things that seem to be very unfair. But, if man is going to be in the image and likeness of God he must also be in the image and likeness of an omniscient and omnipresent God. Individually we have not gone through the breadth of the earth, but collectively we have.

Now apply that to the church. We have believers who are born again, saved, washed in the blood, who have gone through every type of trial and tribulation. We have scientists, we also have felons, we have doctors we also have murderers. We have people born into families of god fearing Christians and we have Satanists. Collectively we have learned how the Lord is able to save and deliver from any circumstance.
 

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End Times Unsealing

(Spoiler alert -- they are giving you the rapture in typology in the OT and the day of that rapture)
 

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End Times Unsealing

(Spoiler alert -- they are giving you the rapture in typology in the OT and the day of that rapture)
They do a good job of proving from the NT with references to the OT that Pentecost is the feast of new wine.

God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Therefore the NT should also have appointed days in our covenant.

We have only been given one appointed day in the NT, that is the Lord's table. The Lord's table is all of our feasts wrapped into one, it is a dress rehearsal for the wedding feast, it reminds us of the rapture. Jesus said that He would not drink wine again until He drinks it new with us in the Kingdom. This means that the feast of new wine is a type and shadow of when we have the wedding feast with the Lord -- so it is a NT teaching that the rapture takes place on the feast of new wine.

However, it also takes place on the Lord's table. We celebrate the Lord's table on the first day of the week because that is when Jesus rose from the dead, but it isn't the day that the Lord instituted the Lord's table. He instituted it on the day before good Friday.

What is the single biggest verse in the NT concerning the rapture? "It comes as a thief in the night". That is when Judas came after the Lord's table, he came as a thief in the night.

Matt 26:55b Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me?

Mark 14:48 Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me?

Luke 22:52 Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?

As you have done, it will be done unto you. That is clearly the word in the NT concerning judgement on the apostate church that takes place right after the rapture.

So then if "drinking it anew" is a reference to Pentecost, "coming like a thief in the night" is the next day.

Now here is a very interesting play on all this. The 8th day of the month is "the first day of the week", it does point to Jesus and it does refer to a new beginning.
 

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The rapture is a big event. I think the sixth seal being opened is signifying the rapture.

But it gets more complicated than that. Think of the Book of Revelation as a hymn that is being played.

You have seven seals and these are the mysteries hidden in ages past but now revealed mentioned by Paul in Ephesians, this ends in the chorus of the apostles being martyred (seventh seal). Then you have seven churches and these being revealed are like a refrain, ending in the chorus which is the sixth seal and then the judgement on apostasy which is the seventh seal being opened, but then we start the tribulation, this is verse three and again we have seven seals opened again in rapid succession during the first half of the tribulation, ending with the refrain of the two witnesses killed and then raised, this is then followed by the fourth verse with the nation of Israel, and again they now see the counterfeit Christ, they see war, and famine and plague being used to seize power, they see the martyrs, the nation of Israel is rescued (6th seal) followed by Armageddon (7th seal).

I get it that this is quick and sloppy exegesis, but just think of the book of Revelation as a hymn that we sing with the church being rescued, the tribulation saints being rescued and Israel being rescued.
 

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1Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Many have interpreted this to mean Jesus, then the firstfruits, then those who here when the Lord returns. But hold on, first fruits of what? Of Barley? Of Wheat? Of Wine? Of Fruit? Every harvest needs first fruits to be given to God so that the whole harvest will be holy. This could refer to those who came out of the graves at the Lord's resurrection (barley first fruits) then those who are raptured before the tribulation (first fruit of wheat), then the first fruit of the fruit. My point is "the firstfruits" can refer to several events throughout the harvest season.

1Corinthians 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

The book of Acts looks like a pattern for the tribulation saints with Peter and Paul being the two witnesses. Why these two? Peter denied the Lord three times and Paul explains here why he is the least of the apostles.
 

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What are the watchmen?

2Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.


Watchmen refer to Christians who have picked up the burden to fellow workers is announcing the coming of the Lord Jesus. Most have begun this work in the last seven years, though you could argue that some like Prophecy club and like those who have been researching the Antichrist have been at it for over 20 years.

2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)


We see the things that the Lord prophesied about taking place and so we are looking up knowing that our redemption draws near. This is the message they are proclaiming.

3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:

This includes many different features. For example, I posted a link to a brother who was saying that the tribulation would begin September 23rd based on predictive programming. That was a mistake, I apologized for having posted that. Even if one year the tribulation does begin on September 23rd, what that person posted was clearly in error and he also apologized. We need to be very careful what we do as we investigate these things.

4 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

It was fifty years ago when I learned I would see the Lord return in my lifetime. So if anyone feels they have had to be very patient because it has been two years or seven years since they gave themselves to this work I would beg to differ. No one can deny that there are afflictions taking place with the watchmen, some have lost their jobs, some have had to move, many have experienced censorship, rejection, etc. We all have necessities, but in these things we need to show ourselves approved as ministers of God.

5 In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;

If you look at this blog I have posted every day since I began it. That requires "fasting". I have put many things aside so I can do that. I view this as a labour of love. I also give a lot of attention to stripes, imprisonments and tumults. I attended 5 Stop the Steal rallies, I was there on January 6th, I had Eric Garner's daughter come and speak to our school. I taught a photography class that had several very significant entries into the "Speak Truth to Power" competition.

6 By pureness, by knowledge, by long suffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,

I try to keep this ministry pure by having it directly tied to the Bible in every post. It is my goal that this ministry would minister knowledge to people. I also realize we need to be an example of long suffering. I think of this ministry as though I were a boxer. I am throwing punches but I am also being hit. You have to ignore the punches that hit you, if every time you are hit you recoil then you would never get anywhere. The response to the insults and attacks is kindness. I view this like a painter, the insults and attacks are the black background, they help your kindness to shine all the brighter. You could never do this on your own, perhaps you would last a couple of days, but not 100 days much less 800 days. Think of when you are on an airplane and they tell you if the oxygen masks come down put yours on first. These verses and these posts have to to feed me first, they need to fill me with the spirit first. I believe this is how I express the love of Christ.

7 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

All of this comes before we even talk about "the word of truth". If you aren't living it you can't speak it. But if you are living it, if you are filled with the spirit and you are speaking the truth then that word has power. Often we think of "the power of God" as referring to some NFL fullback running over someone, but what I have found it is the power to keep on speaking day after day regardless of what the enemy throws your way, you are simply unstoppable. The reason you are unstoppable is because you are covered head to toe with the armor of God. That is truth, salvation, faith, and you are walking in the gospel. You can not get caught up focusing just on "truth" or just on "salvation" or just on "faith" or just on "righteousness". You have to walk in the gospel and you have to have the sword of the Spirit. You have to have all of these, do not dabble in spiritual warfare. it is all or nothing. All of us have a strong right hand and we have to develop our left hand. You cannot "run around your backhand". Spiritual warfare is very much like these athletes we see that are elite at their sport. I remember Larry Bird saying he would play the entire game left handed. We need to be like that.

8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;


As ministers of the word you will at times be honored and at other times dishonored. People will give an evil report about you and others will give a good report. You will be accused of being a deceiver and yet if anyone pays attention they will determine that you are true and not a deceiver. To me I think of myself on a sailing ship, the waves and the wind is hitting the boat, trying to turn it. That is what the evil report, dishonor and accusations of being a deceiver are. But the boat is cutting right through the waves and sailing into the wind. You are not swayed or turned by this, you expect that if you are over the target the enemy will be firing on you.

9 As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;


It is amazing, no one talks to you, no one invites you to anything, yet they all know who you are. They are all talking about you. Time and time again they think they have destroyed you and yet despite all the bombs bursting in air, as the dawn sheds its light they see your flag is still there.

10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Yes, the watchmen are not preaching the prosperity gospel. We are preaching a message of impending judgement and yet we are filled with joy. We are advising others on how to avoid ruin and yet we ourselves appear to be the most poor. Our life is simple, we need a Bible, that is all. One day everyone else will realize that that is the one thing that they need as well.
 

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Two things we may see right before the rapture

If we see a picture of the rapture in the Lord instituting the Lord's table followed by Judas coming as a thief in the night, then we can see other things taking place and both of those things taking place right around 9th of Av or July 26th, then before that happens we should see the tables of the money changers flipped and the triumphant entry into Jerusalem.

I would think that the release of BRICS as a currency in two weeks would be akin to flipping the tables on the money changers.

That leaves the triumphant entry after Lazarus is raised from the dead. I think that could refer to Donald Trump being reinstated as President.