Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
The Strange Occult Secret of Christian Persecution

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
You have not hearkened to the warning

Jeremiah 25:1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;

2 The which Jeremiah the prophet spake unto all the people of Judah, and to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying,

3 From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the Lord hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.

Josiah reigned for 31 years, so from his 13th year to the 4th year of Jehoiakim would be 22 years. That is a complete number, there are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet so it is an indication of a complete ministry, a complete word.

22 years ago was 2001, the year of 9/11. In the year 2000 we had a large rally outside the UN over the feast of Trumpets calling on the UN to put a stop to the killing in Sudan which was a muslim takeover to drive out the Christians so that Sudan would embrace Sharia law. We warned the US if you don't do something about this it will come here. The next year, in 2011 we planned on having our second rally on 9/13, it was cancelled because of 9/11. It is very certain that for the last 22 years since 9/11 the entire country has heard this warning.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
Learn from the past

Jeremiah 25:4 And the Lord hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.

Take a look at this blog, over 10,000 posts, maybe half of them are links to other people on the internet, every day since the start there have been posts. This represents only a tiny fraction of what is on the internet, websites, and other forums.

5 They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the Lord hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever: 6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.

These posts talk about righteousness, justice, abortion, the new age movement, satanic cults, etc.

7 Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the Lord; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.

Look at the grammies, look at the use of lawfare against anyone who opposes them, look at the lies, everything has been documented in this blog.

8 Therefore thus saith the Lord of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words,

9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the Lord, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

Amen Lord, whatever is necessary to bring in your kingdom and that your will would be done on earth as it is in heaven.

10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.

They will not be marrying and giving in marriage once this takes place, no more will they be eating and drinking in feasts and banquets, it will be a great depression, a famine, and darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth.

11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

Learn from History, this has happened before, you are without excuse if you ignore these warnings.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
Revelation is not referring to Iraq when it says 'The Great Babylon".

Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the Lord, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Iraq was made into perpetual desolations. Babylon was a type, a shadow of the future Great Babylon, but it is not the same place. The US is the Great Babylon referred to in Revelation. Washington DC and the US dollar is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth. The US has bases on all seven continents. When the US is destroyed all the merchants of the earth will weep. The US is the greatest consumer nation, not the Vatican.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
WHY DOES THE GOD OF LOVE--SEND MONSTER DEMONS FROM THE BOTTOMLESS PIT? TO WARN OF HELL

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
Judgement on a false prophet

Jeremiah 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The Lord hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie. 16 Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the Lord. 17 So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
I Heard from the Lord Concerning Israel 10/31/2023

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

According to Jasher 1:1-3:13 and Seder Olam 1, the total number of years from Creation to the Flood is 1,656 years.

2023-1656 years is 367 AD. That was the year Athanasius, in his Easter Letter of AD367, set out his list of books which were to be regarded as Scripture. His is the earliest extant list which corresponds with the canon of the New Testament as we now know it.

According to John all things came into existence through the word of God and apart from the word of God nothing has come into existence which came into existence.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
Why is Halloween celebrated on October 31?

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
In The Beginning He Told Us When! ⬆️ Rapture Soon! Genesis 1:1

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
Jacob's trouble

Jeremiah 30:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, 2 Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

They returned in 1923, they possessed some of the land in 1948, they formed their first government in 1950, and in 1967 they possessed Jerusalem.

4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

The word intifada refers to birth pains and started in 1987, Jesus called all the things happening at this time as "birth pains". The man child will be born and the kingdom age is about to be born. 33 years after the intifada we had the pandemic.

7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

Jacob's trouble is referred to in a shadow as as the ten days from Feast of trumpets to the Day of Atonement. I think this refers to a 10 year period from the Pandemic in 2020 to Jesus' second coming in 2030.

8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

What we are seeing in Ukraine is a war against the Moloch worshippers, what we are seeing in Israel is a war against Islam, what we are seeing with BRICS is a war against the US dollar ruling (the Great Babylon). The whole world lies in the evil one but what we are seeing is a rebellion from all quarters against that rule. The pandemic and the vaccine mandate shows how evil the sorcery is of this rule.

10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

The full end of the nations refers to Armageddon and to the tribulation described in Revelation.

12 For thus saith the Lord, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous. 13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

This is what we are seeing, there is no solution of peace to Israel except for the crucified Christ.

14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

We will see all nations abandon Israel and be against them.

15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

Yes, if Israel was sinful before the sins increased when they tried to make the nation of Israel without the Lord Jesus.

16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

Back off everyone, God is dealing with Israel, it is His land to give to whom He wishes, no one has a claim on the land that supersedes God. His name is there and He will give the land to whom He wishes and anyone found contending with God about that will be guilty.

17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
We have a bunch of prophecies concerning Israel and a variety of wars:

Psalm 83:2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

This refers to the countries we see right now, you have the Palestinians in Gaza, West bank, Jordanians, Hezbollah and Lebanon, and Syria. Ishmaelites refer to Arabs, and Hagarenes refer to Hagar's family from Egypt. Moab, Ammon both live in Jordan now. Amalek refers to Hamas and Philistines make up the Palestinians. Edom refers to Jordanians and those associated with the Rothschilds (Red shields), they call themselves Jews and are not. Inhabitants of Tyre refer to Hezbollah and Assur refers to Syria.

Jeremiah 49:34 The word of the Lord that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying, 35 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.

The bow of Elam refers to the missiles on the west coast of Iran.

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. 2 The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid. 3 The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the Lord of hosts. 4 And in that day it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean.

Damascus is a major city in Syria, the oldest city that has been continuously inhabited on earth. It will be a ruinous heap, similar to Methusaleh dying being a sign to get into the ark for Noah. The cities of Aroer are in Gaza, that will be forsaken. Ephraim is a word used for the northern tribes of Israel and for the youngest son of Joseph, I believe this refers to the US which is where 50% of the world's Jews live. We are a superpower, but when this happens the US will cease to be a superpower. The glory of Jacob refers to the US and Israel being the richest nations on earth, they shall become thin, with famine, the collapse of the dollar, and their collapse as a superpower.

Ezekiel 38:1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

These countries refer to Russia, all the Stan nations like Pakistan and Afghanistan, as well as Turkey, Iran, Ethiopia and Libya. Gomer probably refers to Germany. I believe this refers to all these nations descending on Israel because they have discovered oil (the formation will look like a fish hook). This takes place after the US is destroyed as a superpower, Israel will be left without any allies.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them. 8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. 9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee. 10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought: 11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, 12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land. 13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?


Tarshish refers to the UK. Sheba to Yemen and Dedan to Saudi Arabia. Young lion refers to the US. I once visited Mexico and they all have bars on the windows of the homes. I lived in Taiwan and again, everyone has bars on all the windows. The US is an unwalled city, the US is the place that is inhabited by people from out of all the nations. Israel is a walled city and it is doubtful that will change any time soon. When the US is destroyed as a superpower many countries will come to take spoil. Already we have been filled with over 8 million illegal aliens from all over the world, military aged men who we think are here to take spoil once the war breaks out. Saudi Arabia is going to work with BRICS to replace the US dollar.

I believe this is the order we might see this in, though Damascus might be destroyed before Elam.

1. Damascus is reduced to a ruinous heap.

2. As a result there is a massive attack on the US and on Israel.

3. The bow of Elam is destroyed, but the US as a superpower is also wiped out. This happens at the time of the rapture.

4. Those left behind are in abject poverty and famine. Gaza is abandoned.

5. With the US destroyed a large group of nations assemble themselves against Israel because they have discovered a massive oil formation.

6. Other nations look to spoil the US after the cataclysm that hits the US.

This is where we are in the seven year tribulation leading ultimately to Armageddon.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
What Israel is About to Do Will Shock the World!

 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
What Israel is About to Do Will Shock the World!

HE points out that these things happen at the beginning of the tribulation so the world can see that Jesus is an alternative to the Antichrist.

1. I think that Damascus as well as a few other cities are destroyed before the rapture, though it might be in the same 24 hours, that Gaza is abandoned and the US is destroyed after the rapture but again, probably within 24 hours, and all of this leads to Ezekiel 38 war which is at the beginning of the seven year tribulation.

Personally I am guessing that the bow of Elam will be broken prior to Damascus but it could be immediately after as well.

So then I suspect that all of this takes place over the course of about six months with the destruction of Damascus --> Rapture --> destruction of Great Babylon in 1 hour --> all taking place in a matter of days, perhaps two days and this leads to --> Ezekiel 38 war.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
Romans 14:1-5 Diversity of thought

1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.

Christians have all been trained in the articles of the faith, the items that are not disputable. But apart from one God and Father of all, Jesus Christ Lord of all, and the faith that has once for all been delivered to us by the apostles everything else is disputable. Do we vote for Biden or Trump, disputable. Do we build a wall on the border, disputable. Do we join the Paris Accords, disputable. Now what exactly does “disputable” mean? Dispute is to argue about or debate, so disputable means you are able to argue about or debate these. However, the meaning of the greek here is more along the lines of to “judge his doubtful thoughts” or even “to criticize his scruples”. The Bible is very clear, a “real Christian” believes that Jesus is Lord, however it doesn’t say anything about whether or not a “real Christian” would ban fracking.

2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.

For two thousand years we have looked at this verse as being about whether or not to be a vegetarian. But the first verse is about any disputable matter, and this second verse is simply an illustration of what he is talking about. For example, there are people today who will only listen to CNN and MSNBC and don’t dare to listen to any other sources of information. If you are going to debate a “disputable” topic some people will seek out a multitude of sources. However, you can find people on the internet who will say anything, doesn’t make it true. So there are others who will only accept the “approved” sources like CNN and the NY Times. So there are some who will only “eat” what the powers that be tell them is safe and there are others who will “eat” anything.

3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.

This is the issue we have right now, it is splitting the country in half. Some people are “eating everything” and claiming there was election fraud, others who do not “eat” anything that Facebook, Twitter and the powers that be say is not true are judging those who are claiming there was election fraud. Do not treat your brother or sister with contempt simply because they don’t listen to Steve Bannon or Dan Bongino. On the other hand do not judge those who do.

4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

This is the key point. When you are making a decision on these issues are you realizing that you are a servant of the Lord and you will be judged for the actions you take. If you vote for Trump then you can be held accountable for the peace treaty he brokered with Israel and the UAE. Likewise if you voted for Biden you are accountable for the decision to pay for abortions worldwide and to make them legal right up until birth. Trump and Biden made it clear where they stood on these issues before you voted.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

This is an issue that has bothered me for my entire christian life. I have heard the case to be made about not celebrating birthdays (every birthday celebration in the New Testament is pretty horrible -- though to be fair the Magi were celebrating Jesus birth if not His birthday). Christmas is not Jesus birthday but rather a pagan celebration to the Sun, etc. So on the one hand I don’t want to treat these days as “more sacred than another”. On the other hand the world has done a good job of guilting you and painting you as a “scrooge” if you don’t. To me some issues are clear cut, like abortion, other issues there are two sides to them and both have merit and they are not clear cut. I have made it clear to my kids and family what aspects of Christmas I completely reject as a lie from the world (I consider the whole story of Santa Claus flying around the entire world and sneaking into houses like a thief to give you presents to be a corruption and mockery of the gospel where at the end of the age Jesus will rapture the first fruits and this will be like a thief breaking into the house of the “world” and the worldly church and stealing the treasures). On the other hand we do get birthday gifts and Christmas gifts so that my kids don’t think that Christians are miserly.

Another example, I frequently post links from the Prophecy club yet we have two very different views of the rapture. He is adamant that there is no pre-tribulation rapture, I am equally convinced that there is. My feeling is this is a disputable matter and it is fully up to the Lord on this matter. On the other hand I post links from Pastor Sandy who dismisses the entire idea of a mid tribulation rapture. I disagree with him as well and yet again, this is a disputable matter. The real issue is not how he sees this issue but whether or not he is a servant of the Lord. I consider both Stan and Sandy as servants of the Lord, they will stand before the Lord, good enough for me.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
"Captagon" -- Hamas fighters are drugged


Israel, Dollar, Firearms Restrictions, Russia & China 11/01/2023

I think this explains the delay in the ground war, they wanted these guys fully drugged up for four days and then they come in after the crash.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,695
6,733
113
Nov 4 + 2520 days = Feast of Trumpets in 2030

NOVEMBERS FIST! The Time of Jacobs Trouble is about to BEGIN!