Abortion?!?!

[guidingfaith13]

Can someone explaine the reasons behind "Its a womans body she has the right to decide what happens to her body" OK well it was her right to have sex seeing as it was her body she should own up to her responsibility right? Why is everyone saying its her body? is it really her body that is curled up inside of her womb sucking on her thumb? i dont think so!

 

[jimmydiggs]

More importantly, it is rebellion against God and an act of murder.

 

[guidingfaith13]

Exactly!!! so sad!!

 

[jimmydiggs]

It's not a woman's right to engage in sexual intercourse either, nor for a male. If it is outside of the marriage covenant, it is strictly forbidden.

 

[ShyForHim]

I personally do not support abortion in whatever case. I think it's wrong to kill the upcoming baby, because it's also a human being with rights to live, with rights to have friends, family, go to school, get a job, and so on, so I think it's something terrible.

My older sister, Alice, had a natural abortion one day. I never knew about this until like few days ago, but it's something really sad, you know.

 

[santuzza]

You're absolutely right. I so often hear it called as "pro-choice." And we, as supporters, of life do not want to deny anyone a choice. The problem is that the choice comes BEFORE conception, not afterward. It's a choice to have intercourse, and our choices have consequences (for bad or for good). Abortion is simply killing a life and there is no other way of looking at it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

You're absolutely right. I so often hear it called as "pro-choice." And we, as supporters, of life do not want to deny anyone a choice. The problem is that the choice comes BEFORE conception, not afterward. It's a choice to have intercourse, and our choices have consequences (for bad or for good). Abortion is simply killing a life and there is no other way of looking at it.

I'm not pro-choice when it comes to intercourse, and scripture doesn't seem to support such a position.

 

[Grey]

I've got very mixed opinions on the issue, I hear they're developing a out of body womb that could keep fetuses alive if someone reguarldess if they were rape or just wanted an abortion could keep it alive and have it adopted without any death involved, which would be nice to end the pro choice, pro life debate.

 

[santuzza]

jimmydiggs, As a Christian, I have no choice, you are right -- intercourse outside of marriage is sin. However, in our unsaved world, we cannot judge the unbeliever, all we can do is guide them in the right direction. So, by arguing that the choice comes before conception, that nullifies their "it's my body and my choice" argument.

 

[Vam89]

I won't say anything for those who have conceived unintentionally and didn't want to follow it through because I myself have never been in that situation and therefore won't act like I know what that's like.

However being a rape survivor, I will say I would never tell a woman who has had to endure something so terrible that she now has to go through the pregnancy, whether or not she decides to keep it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

jimmydiggs, As a Christian, I have no choice, you are right -- intercourse outside of marriage is sin. However, in our unsaved world, we cannot judge the unbeliever, all we can do is guide them in the right direction. So, by arguing that the choice comes before conception, that nullifies their "it's my body and my choice" argument.

You have misapplied scriptural descriptions of judging the world. Scripture tells us quite clearly, that regardless of whether a believer or not, there is no choice. The only legitimate course of action is obedience.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I won't say anything for those who have conceived unintentionally and didn't want to follow it through because I myself have never been in that situation and therefore won't act like I know what that's like.

However being a rape survivor, I will say I would never tell a woman who has had to endure something so terrible that she now has to go through the pregnancy, whether or not she decides to keep it.

The torment and torture that is inflicted upon a person, does not then legitimate the torment and torture they afflict on another.

 

[sunnygurl]

I personally do not support abortion in whatever case. I think it's wrong to kill the upcoming baby, because it's also a human being with rights to live, with rights to have friends, family, go to school, get a job, and so on, so I think it's something terrible.

My older sister, Alice, had a natural abortion one day. I never knew about this until like few days ago, but it's something really sad, you know.

I am curious as to what is a natural abortion? If you are referring to a miscarriage - losing the baby before 3 months, then it becomes a miscarriage not a natural abortion. Is there such as thing as natural abortion.

Miscarriage = No choice
Abortion = Chosen choice

 

[sunnygurl]

Can someone explaine the reasons behind "Its a womans body she has the right to decide what happens to her body" OK well it was her right to have sex seeing as it was her body she should own up to her responsibility right? Why is everyone saying its her body? is it really her body that is curled up inside of her womb sucking on her thumb? i dont think so!

I believe it is a lie from the devil to justify a women's ability to chose an abortion. The world and many women who choose abortion have embraced to justify the death of their unborn baby.

 

[caseyintheclouds]

haha amen, I was thinking of what to say to that and as I further scrolled not seeing any response im glad you had the words to respond to such a difficult situation. amen god bless you with the courage to stand against the wrong no matter how twisted the evil one has made things. peace be with your spirit

 

[MatthewMichael]

I've got very mixed opinions on the issue, I hear they're developing a out of body womb that could keep fetuses alive if someone reguarldess if they were rape or just wanted an abortion could keep it alive and have it adopted without any death involved, which would be nice to end the pro choice, pro life debate.

I don't know if it would end the pro choice, pro life debate, but it would definitely start a new one. I wonder what effects this would have on a child. The child learns while in the womb, develops its first taste in music, gets to know and be comforted by the voice and heartbeat of its mother...

 

[gia]

Well honestly for myself, I wouldn't be able to go through with a abortion. Having to live knowing that I killed my child, I couldn't handle it.
But I still wouldn't judge someone if they did get a abortion. Especially since my own mother had 6 abortions herself. Some families like mines, make you get a abortion no exceptions. So some women don't really have a choice, like my mother didn't. My grandmother made it for her. My grandmother is all for abortion. And if my father wasn't a avid Christian, then my mom would have aborted me and my older sister. Since she was so young.

 

[jimmydiggs]

And if my father wasn't a avid Christian, then my mom would have aborted me and my older sister. Since she was so young.

Providence is a wonderful thing.

 

[G4JC]

Providence is a wonderful thing.

Indeed, reminds me of these stories where it got even closer to death -

[h=1]Failed Abortions - Get Informed[/h]
Here are the most recent news articles regarding incidences of surviving abortions and the ramifications for survivors, their families and the abortionists who were unsuccessful in ending their lives.

1,270 Babies Born Alive After Failed Abortions in the U.S.:
1,270 Babies Born Alive After Failed Abortions in the U.S. | LifeNews.com

Woodlan's Warrior: The Nik Hoot Story: Nik was adopted from Russia after surviving a failed abortion and excels in wrestling in his home in Indiana, as this article discusses:
http://www.wane.com//dpp/sports/local_sports/wane-woodburn-woodlans-warrior-nik-hoots-story-jwh

Failed abortions recorded at a clinic and this article includes an interview with one of the women who this involves (and her now 3 year old son!):
http://www.woodtv.com//dpp/news/target_8/Recordsfailed-abortions-at-Muskegon-clinic

491 Babies Born Alive After Failed Abortions Left To Die In Canada (Statscan):
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/491-babies-born-alive-after-failed-abortions-left-to-die-in-canada-statscan

Spanish Dr. Must Pay Child Support After Botched Abortion:
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/05/24/spanish-doctor-must-pay-child-support-after-botched-abortion/

Three Far Less Fortunate October Babies:
RealChoice: Three Far Less Fortunate "October Babies"

Excerpt from the article: Nobody rescued them; there was no adoption and no going home.

More Born Alive Babies and Their Fates:
RealChoice: More Born-Alive Babies and Their Fates

Note: These are terribly difficult to read about. I do not recommend reading if you have experienced abortion trauma and have not found healing, nor do I recommend for young people.

Four More Real Life October Babies:
RealChoice: Four More Real-Life "October Babies"

Excerpt from the article: Not all of these children were as fortunate as the fictitious Hannah or the real-life Gianna Jessen.

Today's "October Baby"-Rowan:
RealChoice: Today's "October Baby" -- Rowan

Excerpt from the article: Rowan was not as fortunate as the fictious Hannah, or the real-life Gianna Jessen and Ana Rosa Rodriguez. Clinic workers ignored his mother's pleas for help for her baby.

Fact Checking the Salon Writer (October Baby and the likelihood of being an abortion survivor): RealChoice: Fact Checking the Salon Writer

Excerpt from the article; Now what are the odds of surviving a late abortion: According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, of the roughly 1.2 million abortions annually in the U.S., about 1.5%, or 18,000, are done after 20 weeks. Using the lower CDC estimate of 400 survivors a year, this means that if you are in utero, and your mother undergoes a late abortion, you have a 1/45 chance of surviving.


Could 14 babies be alive today? The Health Department is investigating the cases of 14 babies left to die after surviving abortion attempts:
Could 14 babies be alive today? | Perth Now

British Boy Survived Three Failed Abortion Attempts, Now Two Years-Old:
British Boy Survived Three Failed Abortion Attempts, Now Two Years-Old | LifeNews.com

Baby Boy Survives Abortion, Lived for Two Days After Doctors Left Him to Die:
Baby Boy Survived Abortion, Lived Two Days After Doctors Left Him to Die | LifeNews.com

Heroic Abortion Survivor Dies at Age 5:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1998/oct/98100503

Record Breaking Court Award for Abortion Survivor (Ximena Roberts):
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1999/aug/99080301

Judge: Abortionist Must Pay $36M to Botched Abortion Survivor
Judge: Abortionist Must Pay $36M to Botched Abortion Survivor | LifeNews.com

Excerpt from the article: Pendergraft found himself in an Orange County courthouse facing a lawsuit from the daughter of Carol Howard, who wants a lifetime of medical care after she was born alive after a botched abortion began. The plaintiff is a 10-year-old girl with massive birth defects who survived the abortion. The plaintiff’s mother, Carol Howard, paid $1300 to have an abortion in November 2001 when she was 22 weeks pregnant.

Why not ask the people who REALLY know abortion from experience? (gives information on how 44,000 survivors has been estimated on only information provided)
RealChoice: Why not ask the people who REALLY know abortion from experience?

Failed Abortion (Research statistics on number of abortions that fail per year):
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2008/06/failed-abortion.html

66 babies in a year left to die after NHS abortions that go wrong
66 babies in a year left to die after NHS abortions that go wrong | Mail Online

On a related note:

How Babies Were Left to Die-Testimony of Jill Stanek:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/aug/08081209

Siblings of People Dying in Abortions Suffer Depression
Siblings of People Dying in Abortions Suffer Depression | LifeNews.com

Most people wonder, “Are There Protections for Abortion Survivors?
In the U.S., President George W. Bush signed into law the Born Alive Infants Protection Act on August 5, 2002. However, there are still accounts that survivors are being medically neglected or killed in the U.S.

For example, see the report of the Grand Jury in the Kermit Gosnell case, dated January 2011, regarding multiple counts of infanticide after failed abortions.
Phila.Gov | Office of the District Attorney : R. Seth Williams

The movie, 22 Weeks, tells true story of a baby who was aborted and born alive in a Florida abortion clinic in 2005. Workers refused to give the baby help or allow EMT’s into the building.
Visit www.22weeksthemovie.com for more information on the film.

 

[Nautilus]

The problem is that the choice comes BEFORE conception, not afterward. It's a choice to have intercourse, and our choices have consequences (for bad or for good).

So what about women who had that choice made against their will? Should someone who was raped be forced to keep a child they never wanted nor did anything to deserve?