Can you be TOO FORGIVING?

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RachelP03

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I was talking to my friend today about forgiveness and how sometimes I feel like I might forgive to easily. Someone stabbed me in the back a few months ago and they asked me yesterday at work if I had 50 cents and I gave it to them. I cant stay mad at someone and sometimes I wish I could.

I have had people throughout my whole life screw me over and yet I showed them mercy and grace and yet when I made a mistake they didn't want nothing to do with me. That happened with my ex husband and a few close friends. Yet, when they call me or come back into my life, I take them in as Christ would. I was thinking today, why cant I just be like those other people and be mad at someone and cut them out of my life and never look back? My spirit says no, that I need to be Christ like and show grace and mercy, but yet my human flesh wants to treat them how they treat me.

At the end of the day, my friend told me that I need to be me and not change for anyone. This is who I am and this is what makes me ME!!

Does anyone else struggle with this? Do you feel like at times your being taken granted for?
 
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No, you cannot be too forgiving. It is good to forgive even if those forgiven take it for granted. I know what it is to forgive people and to have them keep walking over me, but nonetheless we have to keep forgiving them. It is always better to forgive.
 
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...... At the end of the day, my friend told me that I need to be me and not change for anyone. This is who I am and this is what makes me ME!!
Does anyone else struggle with this? Do you feel like at times your being taken granted for?
everyone born of man is tempted likewise. some struggle more , some less.

jesus never said "be yourself". yahweh never said that either. the WORD says everyone is consigned under sin(or penalty of sin), so to "be yourself" would be , well, very bad life and worse outcome.

read in the OT and in the NT all that the creator of all life says to be and to do. ask him what he means. (no man will tell you the truth, unless he's dead to the world and alive in yahshua hamashiach by yahweh's will and doing). (i.e. only in christ jesus is anyone able to tell you the truth, no one else can, unless yahweh arranges it in his grace and purpose)

this is important for your life TODAY, and forever, because HIS WORD is life, and is written from yahweh to men so they can know his will and know what to do, yahweh willing(he must still open a mind and reveal truth or it is not known).

so seek him with all of your heart and all of your soul and all of your mind and all that is within you,

and he will do as he has said.
 
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RachelP03

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What he meant by being myself was to keep being forgiving and not change into what my flesh wants. I sometimes want to follow my flesh and treat others as they treat me but at the end of the day I'm forgiving and I move forward.
 
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RachelP03

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No, you cannot be too forgiving. It is good to forgive even if those forgiven take it for granted. I know what it is to forgive people and to have them keep walking over me, but nonetheless we have to keep forgiving them. It is always better to forgive.
My feelings get hurt to easily, I guess ..... I don't even want to imagine how Jesus feels. I am just thankful that he gives me multiple chances. :)
 
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70 times 7....... That's a lot.
 

notuptome

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Scripture says to do good to those who despitefully use you and by so doing you heap coals of fire upon their heads.

Do you think this person is aware that you feel like they stabbed you in the back?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Joidevivre

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You can be forgiving many times without feeling used. You can forgive without feeling like you have to win their approval by giving them what they ask for. If you feel used, chances are you are not giving from a directive from the Lord.

If anyone asks you for help, pray about their need first. And then only give them what you feel the Lord is directing you to give.

Forgiving does not mean you don't set boundaries. You don't even have to let them back into your life if they are a bad influence.
 

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[h=1]Matthew 10:16King James Version (KJV)[/h]16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
 
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On October 2nd 2006 here in Lancaster County, PA, Charles Roberts went into an Amish schoolhouse in Nickel Mines and took ten girls hostage. He ended up killing five of them and seriously wounding another five before killing himself. This event made headline news around the world. As the days went by, and the funerals took place the response of the Amish community also made the news. Rather than speak in terms of retaliation or revenge, the Amish spoke a word of grace and extended their love for the family that Mr. Roberts had left behind, sharing in their grief and setting up a fund for his wife and children with money they received from openhearted donors.

When one elder was asked how they could do such a thing, he replied that every day they prayed the Lord’s Prayer, and in this prayer forgiveness was essential. It would not be the Amish who would continue the spiral of violence by calling either on God or humanity for more blood. As I watched the news unfold on national TV, I was struck by the inability of the television reporters and anchors to grasp the forgiveness as expressed by the Amish. They were befuddled, bemused, frustrated, and a few were, at times, critical that there was no desire for retaliation. But what the world witnessed from the Amish was precisely the heart of the Love of God for the world.

I compare this to the reports I frequently see on CNN where loved ones of murder victims cry out for retaliation, justice, or vengeance. I note that these loved ones often hope that the murderer will “burn in hell” or “get what they deserve.” This language echoes what our societies are built upon: retributive vengeance. We live in a world where we think that justice is a tit-for-tat mechanism, where everyone wants his or her “pound of flesh,” where the justice of “an eye for an eye” prevails. But as Gandhi has admonished us “an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.”

Violence in all its forms is the single reality that most scares us. Violence can take many forms, but they all have the same goal: the destruction of the other. There is verbal violence such as insults or gossip, put downs and nasty rhetoric; there is emotional violence such as obsession, coercion, and hatred; and there is physical violence from the beating of a child, and domestic abuse, to rape, murder, torture, and war. Many books try to define violence, arguing that some of these actions are not violent. However, they fail to see that all violence leaves deep and lasting scars on human relationships. Moreover violence inevitably calls forth more violence; it is a spiral or a cycle with no end.

Violence is like a virus that spreads almost imperceptibly. Take anger for instance. Dad has had a hard day at work, and the boss yelled at him, calling him incompetent. Fuming on the drive home, Dad wonders how he can get back at his boss. Upon arriving home, his wife has dinner prepared, but his latent hostility comes creeping out when he criticizes her cooking. Mom gets mad, but doesn’t say anything, later she will yell at the kids because they are watching TV and haven’t finished their homework. Sonny walks out of the room and gives Brutus, the family dog, a kick to get out of his way. Brutus, who has no one to kick, slinks away. In this scenario, anger is like the game of hot potato; no one wants it so it is non-consciously passed along, finally given to one who cannot do anything but endure it.

Lethal violence spreads like this as well. Gang warfare in the inner city is rife with the contagion of violence. It is played out on a global scale between nations. As I write this North Korea has threatened “a thousand-fold” retaliation against the United States should they perceive we are at war with them. A thousand fold! Imagine that. Here, even the rhetoric of violence has spiraled out of control. The war on terror has been declared to not have a foreseeable end because whatever the terrorists do to us, we will do to them, and when we do to them, they turn around and do to us. Back in the spiral of violence again…and again…and again. It just never stops.

The violence of our time is not unusual. Although the twentieth century was the most violent on record for the number of people killed, violence has been with us from the beginning. Remember Cain and Abel? The problem of violence that has plagued human culture since its origin also had a powerful structuring role in Jesus’ world. Other empires had long dominated Israel with their tyrants and taxes. In the Jewish historian Josephus, we read page after page after page of violent acts committed upon, and by, the Jewish people. There seems to be no end to killing, and like Ehud in Judges 3:15-23 or Phineas in Numbers 25:6-9, a lot of killing was done in the name of God, the Most High. Christians eventually adopted this posture that killing in the name of God can be sanctioned.

There is a deep irony to the problem of violence: my violence is good, your violence is bad. I always have reasons for my violence; you only have excuses for yours. Have you ever noticed when someone wrongs you, how much time you spend justifying your response in that conversation in your head? Retributive violence is the disease of the human condition. Justified vengeance is what is killing us. It is important to recognize that the problem of social retribution is real, and after all the time we have been on this planet as a species we do not know how to deal with it.

If retribution, or getting even, is one way to deal with the problem of violence, there is another, as shown by Jesus, the way of forgiveness. Forgiveness is the only way that forever cuts short, and ends, the cycle of retributive violence. It is the way of Jesus’ life and death. Finally, I would note that sometimes forgiveness is a journey, not a one-time act. Sometimes when we think we have forgiven someone, we find out that we have just begun the healing process, and so, must continue to see the other person as forgiven by God and hence by us. Forgiveness is not easy nor glibly given. If it doesn’t come from the deep wells within one’s soul, the relationship will not be healed.

This is from a friend of mine named Mike.
 
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Hurting

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Thanks for that question and the answers that were given. I feel the same way. it is in me to just take it. Because of my situation, I also am being used and taken advantage of on a daily basis because it has been going on so long and it is expected of me.
 

1joseph

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The only time we, believers, should be OK with being abused is if it is for God's glory. Otherwise, we should not continue sticking our head into a hornets nest. That would be unwise.
 
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I was talking to my friend today about forgiveness and how sometimes I feel like I might forgive to easily. Someone stabbed me in the back a few months ago and they asked me yesterday at work if I had 50 cents and I gave it to them. I cant stay mad at someone and sometimes I wish I could.

I have had people throughout my whole life screw me over and yet I showed them mercy and grace and yet when I made a mistake they didn't want nothing to do with me. That happened with my ex husband and a few close friends. Yet, when they call me or come back into my life, I take them in as Christ would. I was thinking today, why cant I just be like those other people and be mad at someone and cut them out of my life and never look back? My spirit says no, that I need to be Christ like and show grace and mercy, but yet my human flesh wants to treat them how they treat me.

At the end of the day, my friend told me that I need to be me and not change for anyone. This is who I am and this is what makes me ME!!

Does anyone else struggle with this? Do you feel like at times your being taken granted for?
I didn't see any indication of forgiveness in anything you've written. Looks like you continue on as if nothing happened, but that's not forgiveness. Obviously, you don't forget either, so that's not forgiveness. I see no indication that you've gone to the person who wronged you to straighten it out to take the first steps to forgiveness, so that's not it either.

I have not seen anything that indicates forgiveness even comes into the picture.

The word means something. Someone wrongs you, they ask for forgiveness, and then you decide if you will. If they don't ask, then, unless they are too dangerous to do this, you go to them to ask for it. And that has to be done in real love and mercy, (not what you think is mercy or love), so they are willing to forgive you while you are willing to forgive them.

And to forgive means to stop harboring the hurt and anger. It also means never to bring it up again. Their slate is clean. There's a lot to what is real forgiveness in the Bible, but I see nothing in all you wrote that says you've done any of that. You simply don't hold grudges the same way most people do. You still hold the grudges tightly, but you seem intent on letting people hurt you over and over again, because you let them and they can get something out of you. I don't know what you get out of that, but that's not the same as forgiving anyone.
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Too forgiving? No.

Too accommodating? Yes.
 
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RachelP03

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I didn't see any indication of forgiveness in anything you've written. Looks like you continue on as if nothing happened, but that's not forgiveness. Obviously, you don't forget either, so that's not forgiveness. I see no indication that you've gone to the person who wronged you to straighten it out to take the first steps to forgiveness, so that's not it either.

I have not seen anything that indicates forgiveness even comes into the picture.

The word means something. Someone wrongs you, they ask for forgiveness, and then you decide if you will. If they don't ask, then, unless they are too dangerous to do this, you go to them to ask for it. And that has to be done in real love and mercy, (not what you think is mercy or love), so they are willing to forgive you while you are willing to forgive them.

And to forgive means to stop harboring the hurt and anger. It also means never to bring it up again. Their slate is clean. There's a lot to what is real forgiveness in the Bible, but I see nothing in all you wrote that says you've done any of that. You simply don't hold grudges the same way most people do. You still hold the grudges tightly, but you seem intent on letting people hurt you over and over again, because you let them and they can get something out of you. I don't know what you get out of that, but that's not the same as forgiving anyone.
I didn't think I needed to write the forgiveness in this post, since it pertains to multiple people with different situations. Throughout my life, I have had people screw me over and I get upset for a bit and then I know what NOT forgiving does to someone, since when I was a teenager I pretty much hated a girl for 2 years and I was the one who was miserable. When I finally released that anger and gave it over, the hard way of 2 years, I realized the peace I had with forgiving. There have been multiple situations over the course of my life where I knew I could dwell in it or lay it at the cross. Do I forget? of course not.....I remember, I keep it with me, I watch for signs if that person does come back in my life of it possibly occurring again. Just like me and you though we all screw up or make mistakes.

I think with people now a days, to them its better to walk away and forget about it then to work on it or go back and ask for forgiveness. I will admit when I'm wrong or if I'm sorry for upsetting someone, and I guess I just want that in return. I noticed God has been sending people in and out of my life very fast lately and ive noticed its been quite a lesson. I know that not everyone in our lives are supposed to stay there forever, but I went through a year of finding myself and now I feel like Im being tested. Its been quite a journey.
 
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cmarieh

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Does anyone else struggle with this? Do you feel like at times your being taken granted for?
I struggle with this too and have been burned so many times than I can count. I still forgive those who have hurt me because I know that in order for my sins to be forgiven I need to forgive those who have hurt me. I have been hurt by people I never imagined could ever hurt me. I can handle being rejected by my friends. But being rejected by family is a different ball game, which the last few years I have experienced first hand. It causes me to be extra cautious to talk to others and be able to trust them. Those people that I do trust should take it as a precious gift because I do not share personal details with many. I do feel as though I am being taken for granted and that my feelings don't matter to them and they treat a stranger better than they would treat me. I struggle with standing up for myself in many aspects of my life, yet I have no problem standing up for other people. God has been teaching me so much about what I am actually made of and realized that all that matters is that God accepts me for who I am as he did create me to be a certain way. I posted this video in a different post, but it really spoke to my heart yesterday and caused me to stop what I was doing to hear every word. I have been dealing with a personal matter and it left me feeling at peace. Please take a listen to this:

[video=youtube;VXp6xcY5IqU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXp6xcY5IqU[/video]
 
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mystikmind

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Too forgiving? No.

Too accommodating? Yes.
Simple answer, and absolutely true! And remember, saying 'no' does not mean 'i don't forgive you'. I have seen it many times where people fail to grasp the use of the word 'no' and it can lead to burnout and bitterness.... and in some cases the rebellion of children and even divorce! The word 'no', is a valuable and important word.
 
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RachelP03

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Simple answer, and absolutely true! And remember, saying 'no' does not mean 'i don't forgive you'. I have seen it many times where people fail to grasp the use of the word 'no' and it can lead to burnout and bitterness.... and in some cases the rebellion of children and even divorce! The word 'no', is a valuable and important word.

Oh trust me, I can say NO, lol. I should say YES more.....we did a class on that in church and man oh man, I am NOT a people pleaser, I just forgive!
 
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RachelP03

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I struggle with this too and have been burned so many times than I can count. I still forgive those who have hurt me because I know that in order for my sins to be forgiven I need to forgive those who have hurt me. I have been hurt by people I never imagined could ever hurt me. I can handle being rejected by my friends. But being rejected by family is a different ball game, which the last few years I have experienced first hand. It causes me to be extra cautious to talk to others and be able to trust them. Those people that I do trust should take it as a precious gift because I do not share personal details with many. I do feel as though I am being taken for granted and that my feelings don't matter to them and they treat a stranger better than they would treat me. I struggle with standing up for myself in many aspects of my life, yet I have no problem standing up for other people. God has been teaching me so much about what I am actually made of and realized that all that matters is that God accepts me for who I am as he did create me to be a certain way. I posted this video in a different post, but it really spoke to my heart yesterday and caused me to stop what I was doing to hear every word. I have been dealing with a personal matter and it left me feeling at peace. Please take a listen to this:

[video=youtube;VXp6xcY5IqU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXp6xcY5IqU[/video]
I think part of me is also what you said, that I want God to forgive me. Like I mentioned before, I literally HATED a girl, an old best friend for 2 years of my life when I was a teenager and I was bitter towards life and everyone else and was always wanting revenge and I WAS MISERABLE. I never want me being mad at someone to hold captive over me, so I know its best to forgive. :)
 

Angela53510

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Choose your friends carefully, and hopefully you won't get hurt so much that you are placed in a position of having to forgive them.

When I was younger, I picked friends that were sometimes questionable. Even as a Christian.

After I had a friend of 25 years stab me in the back, I smartened up and was more discerning about my friend choices. Of course, no one is perfect, and we do need to forgive and forget. But that doesn't mean not having boundaries.

You might want to read the book "Boundaries" by Townsend and Cloud. It has some really good advice about that.

But do forgive people. Because not to do so interferes with your relationship with God.