Child Abuse?

[tryingtofindhim]

wot makes u feel they r harsh actually imo quite the contrary.
i mean a 'smack' in britian is a slap on the bottom, nothing more....
but ive never heard people say this is harsh :S

I think even spankings can be harsh. I mean what's the point of spanking; it teaches NOTHING!

 

[Kathleen]

yeah that sounds like the typical stereotype...such as we are all ginger and wear kilts.
firstly it is illegal, now, for a child to be touched by a teacher in the school.
so basically a teacher, in no way, shape or form, is allowed to strike/hit/can a child/pupil.
and also
-ive lived in britian all my life and never seen a nun so lol !!! ...

 

[tryingtofindhim]

yeah that sounds like the typical stereotype...such as we are all ginger and wear kilts.
firstly it is illegal, now, for a child to be touched by a teacher in the school.
so basically a teacher, in no way, shape or form, is allowed to strike/hit/can a child/pupil.
and also
-ive lived in britian all my life and never seen a nun so lol !!! ...

Ok I stand corrected . I thought you lived in Scotland?

 

[Matthew]

I've heard so much about british canning at school and the crazy nuns! This is what I've seen on the internet and heard not just an assumption. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I would say you are suffering from the wrong impression, corporal punishment does not occur and the internet in general cannot be taken as a credible source of information, many websites distort information to put across their own message, not always reality.

If anything there is a lack of sufficent discipline, not an excess, you need look no further than the figures for underage sex, STD's and drug taking to see how the lack of discipline is affecting young people in this country.

 

[tryingtofindhim]

I would say you are suffering from the wrong impression, corporal punishment does not occur and the internet in general cannot be taken as a credible source of information, many websites distort information to put across their own message, not always reality.

If anything there is a lack of sufficent discipline, not an excess, you need look no further than the figures for underage sex, STD's and drug taking to see how the lack of discipline is affecting young people in this country.

Well, same in America but I doubt discipline will help anything.

 

[Kathleen]

I guess its a matter of opinion but British are very harsh with their "discipline". I feel bad for any kid that grows up there.

scotland and england and wales and northern irland all toghter make up 'britian'

so yeah i am british/scottish

 

[Matthew]

Well, same in America but I doubt discipline will help anything.

It will help a lot of things if applied in the correct manner at the right time in life, and childhood is the right time.

 

[tryingtofindhim]

It will help a lot of things if applied in the correct manner at the right time in life, and childhood is the right time.

I guess that's your opinion. I think spanking is horrible way to treat a child.

 

[Matthew]

I guess that's your opinion. I think spanking is horrible way to treat a child.

Discipline doesn't always have to be spanking.

 

[tryingtofindhim]

Discipline doesn't always have to be spanking.

Good point. I think any other kind of discipline rather than spanking is fine as long as it doesn't involve hurting the kids verbally, emotionally, sexually, mentally or physically. I know I'm young and you might not respect my view but I've been through it all.

 

[tryingtofindhim]

Thats an assumption I wish to correct. Sadly, domestic and child abuse DOES happen within a church environment. Which is even worse because either people are aware of it and stick it under the carpet like a shameful secret (esp if the abuser is an elder or pastor) or they have no idea because the abuser is so good at lying and putting on a fake image of 'christian perfection.'

I was abused by my step father, and while I was the only one in my family to have a noticeable relationship with Jesus, my step father enjoyed prancing around, going to church, reading his bible in front of people in public and giving people the impression he was an awesome dad. He had no issues with taking me to church (as a way of watching me and having a level of control over me) then going home and beating me for not doing something right and telling me that singing loudly or raising my hands showed a lack of decorum. when I left home and made it public what he had done to me - no one believed me - especially not anyone from my church. when they finally came around they wanted to keep it hush hush because they were worried their diocese would find out they preferred the opinion of an abuser over a victim.

Abuse is a complicated and many faceted area is society that Satan relies on as it always runs in cycles. I commend you for what you did and for your bravery in sticking up for that child. I only hope that the child wasnt hurt even more for your actions in publically embarressing their parents. But parents need to know that society does not accept that kind of behaviour towards children. A word of warning and advice though. I would refrain from accusing parents that you only randomly see in supermarkets. You dont know their circumstances surrounding them or the child and good parents can slip up occaisionally because they were tired or stressed. This doesnt condone it but, often a parent knows when they make such mistakes and try their best to improve. On the other hand, if you know of a family and see them frequently enough to suspect abuse is occuring, then definitely do something. Often its a domestic situation as well which will be harder, if the woman is battered and under the control of her abuser and is having her children used against her as blackmail. If that is the case, you need to counsel her as a friend and convince her to have her children taken out of that environment into safety so that she can deal with it appropriately without worrying about harm comming to children.

Thanks for point that out.

 

[Maddog]

Good point. I think any other kind of discipline rather than spanking is fine as long as it doesn't involve hurting the kids verbally, emotionally, sexually, mentally or physically. I know I'm young and you might not respect my view but I've been through it all.

I'm not sure how someone can be disciplined without hurting them in at least one of the ways you've just stated, (except sexually, though I'm unclear on how someone could be disciplined sexually).

If you verbally tell a kid off, he's hurt emotionally, if you physically chastise a kid, he's hurt physically.

 

[tryingtofindhim]

I'm not sure how someone can be disciplined without hurting them in at least one of the ways you've just stated, (except sexually, though I'm unclear on how someone could be disciplined sexually).

If you verbally tell a kid off, he's hurt emotionally, if you physically chastise a kid, he's hurt physically.

I guess I should say permanent hurt. Oh yes, a child can be disciplined sexually or at least that's what the parent thinks it is. They think if they scare the child with the though of that; the child will behave. That a load of bull crap though.

 

[Matthew]

Good point. I think any other kind of discipline rather than spanking is fine as long as it doesn't involve hurting the kids verbally, emotionally, sexually, mentally or physically. I know I'm young and you might not respect my view but I've been through it all.

I have full respect for you and your views, while your age plays a part so does mine, we are all at a different stage of life and that helps inform our views.
Part of mine is that I have also experienced these things growing up and so I speak from experience just the same as you.

 

[Maddog]

I guess I should say permanent hurt. Oh yes, a child can be disciplined sexually or at least that's what the parent thinks it is. They think if they scare the child with the though of that; the child will behave. That a load of bull crap though.

Ahh right. Well anyway, yes I agree that the pain caused (emotional or otherwise) should not be disproportionate nor lasting.

 

[Charlotte91]

i gotta say smacking a child is not child abuse it is to the extend the child may be hit then it is abuse a child may be used as a punch bag that is serious abuse but a light smack isnt abuse.

 

[tryingtofindhim]

i gotta say smacking a child is not child abuse it is to the extend the child may be hit then it is abuse a child may be used as a punch bag that is serious abuse but a light smack isnt abuse.

What tends to happen, though, is if a light smack will not work the hits get harder. I've been through this with my parents and I'd be knocked out because I was a stubborn little kid. I still didn't learn anything but fear from it. I do agree as long as the light smack stays light that's fine for people. I would never want to get caught up in hitting a child; I'm too scared to become my parents.

 

[RubberDuckie]

Hi, I was abused as a child.
I was adopted by a Christian family and I was spanked after that for the really bad things that i did. Such as lying or hitting another. I knew it wasn't abuse because this was discipline. I'm not spanked anymore because I'm older and learned my lessons form being disciplined in Parental love and in the name of Christ. I love my Christian family and I am in full understanding that parents who don't discipline their children are abusing them and parents who spank, or discipline in other ways are loving their child and doing their duty as parents.
And really, it does depend on how you spank the child. I was spanked with a belt, or paddle. Not beaten to be bruised. After I was spanked my parents would pray with me. That is how discipline should be.

 

[machew]

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[zavok]

why you think i dont belive to avoid the schools then again i do like getting smacked by a cain now lol jus kidding im not so sure if it still happens but i know it use to in the old days