Dilemma of a Jewish Christian, need advice/prayers

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eugenius

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Hello, I have a problem I need some advice with. First a little background history to understand my question better. I promise to make it short.

I was born in Kiev Ukraine. Yes the Ukraine where all the revolution is happening. But anyway. My family immigrated to the USA in 1995. My family is about 75% of Hebrew origin, and 25% Ukrainian. Many of my ancestors practiced Judaism, including my great grandparents on both mother's and father's side. Then the USSR was created. Something happened to my family's mindset. Maybe it was the Holocaust, or maybe it was the SEVERE antisemitism in the USSR and especially Ukraine.

But either way, my grandparents, my mother, and uncle were all descriminated against for being of Hebrew origin all their life in Ukraine. On a daily basis. This caused them to disassociate with Jews and being Jewish. They celebrated their 25% Ukrainian origin, and denied ever being Hebrew/Jewish.

After we moved to America my family saw that Jews are treated with respect here for the most part. But their experience for most of their life caused them to hate anything Jewish. My family is basically agnostic. Conversations about faith with them are almost impossible.

I have always believed in Christ, even when I was a little kid in Ukraine, but after I became an adult, my faith kept growing. I take my belief in Jesus very seriously right now, and can probably call myself saved, although sometimes I doubt, but apologetics saves the day for me. One big reason I'm an apologist (or want to be one), is it helps me with my own faith.

Moving on to the point. This will be hard to understand for most Americans I have to admit. In America, once you turn 18, youre a pathetic loser if you still care what your parents think, or God forbid still live with your mother like I do. I'm just stating facts sorry. But I'm not here to argue this point.

I graduated from university, have a full time job in the science field, but yes I live at home with my mom. I have no father. In my culture (Hebrew or Ukrainian, I'm not sure), its normal to live with your parents until marriage, and you always value what your parents think or say. Also I have been pretty close to my mother all my life.

But here is the dilemma. Nobody in my immediate family has gone to church or synagogue. Every time I tried to talk to my mother about going to church she is afraid that I will end up in some cult. She doesn't trust religion, and is very superstitious. She has her faults, but is ultimately a good person, and has been a good mother.

I want to start going to church. I need a community of fellow believers. Thus far I have been doing it all alone. Reading the bible, listening to apologetics lectures and sermons. For years. Also I have a feeling its the only place to meet a potential wife. I'm definitely not going to meet her at a bar. I hate bars and most stupid things people in their 20's do.

I found what looks like the perfect church for me. Its a Messianic Jewish church which is attended by many Russians/Ukrainians. They openly state that they believe in Jesus and everything Christians believe, but also value their Hebrew heritage and meet on Saturday.

I would love to connect with my Hebrew roots and meet Jews who actually realize that Jesus is their messiah. But the problem is, I don't know how to tell my mother. She will NOT understand. Not only is it a church, its also a Jewish/Christian church. In her mind, its impossible for Jews to believe in Jesus. She will think its a cult. I guarantee you. She knows very little about religion in general.

I even thought about lying to her and just going there. There are times I have lied to her because there are things she cannot understand. Old people with very set in stone ways of thinking influenced by the USSR. You have no idea what its like. And when you are an engineer with a degree and make twice your mother's salary you automatically think your parents are utter morons. ;-)

Please don't tell me to move out, or do my own thing even if my mother will tell me daily how much she hates it. Knowing her, she will get my entirely family involved to tell me I'm crazy, and being trapped or tricked. You have no idea just how little they actually understand about religion.

But I do need your prayers, and advice on how to best tell my mother about this, and pray that she understands and accepts my decision. Thank you.
-Gene
 
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mamasan

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Will surely be praying for you. It is good that you honour your mother. Perhaps one of these day she will change her thinking just because of the way you honour her thinking now.
 
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Karraster

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Hi Gene, You will be in my prayers, and I respect your feelings about your mom. Honor your parents, you will never regret it!

I won't pretend to know how to deal with the situation you face, rather wanted to reaffirm that standing by your mom is important to Yah, it is a commandment. And remember not to lie is also, so surely there is a way to tell her.

It seems clear that you truly love her and want to keep peace, that's admirable also. There comes a time, however, we must make choices for ourselves. Love will prevail, and if you both can be open about your feelings, without anger or frustration, perhaps daily walking in His will, and listening for His guidance it will be made known to you how to speak to your mom about it. It is amazing how He can speak to us when we wait on Him, trusting.

May Yah bless you and keep you, may the love you have found in Yahusha/Jesus shine forth and open mom's eyes.~k
 
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intercessorginger

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My heart goes out to you precious sister in Christ. I can see how much you love and respect your family, and I believe it is that love, that will ultimately lead them to a knowledge of Jesus Christ as messiah and savior. Don't worry! The Lord is well aware of your situation! Go to your Messianic Fellowship and go ahead and tell your Mother. She might not like it at first, but she will adjust to it.
Many of us come from a family full of "hard heads' and yet..by the wonderful GRACE of our Lord..now they are all saved.
God bless you as you follow the Lord!
 

Angela53510

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I am half Ukrainian by descent, and I loved my grandparents dearly. But they were from the Ukraine, long before the days of Communism and atheist propaganda. My grandparents were Orthodox, but they knew the gospel, and prayed for me and my cousins, as well as their own children, and told us about the need for Jesus.

Ironically, my father turned away from God, valued science above everything. I did go to the nearest church, because of the pressure my grandparents put on my parents. I think that is a lot like you honouring your parents, as my father honored and respected his parents, even if they were not educated, (according to him!).

I think you need to educate your mother. She thinks Judeo-Christianity beliefs are myths and legends. It won't be easy, and it is a job that has to be approached gently. You are successful in the world, and you might use that as a lever to show that you are not entering a cult.

I think for you, the Messianic Church sounds ideal to explore your roots. And please remember that fellowship is commanded in the Bible.

"not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near." Hebrews 10:25.

So you have to balance this verse, with honouring your mother. And does honouring include not following Christ, or living your Christian life to the fullest? Does it mean continuing to hide in a closet?

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

I personally believe that you need to continue to honour your mother, but be firm that you are following Christ, heedless of the cost, and her opinions. I also believe it will be a great witness to her, if you continue to love her, but show her the importance of being a Christian, by fellowshipping, meeting other Christians and maybe one day bringing them home to show your mom that it is not a cult, but normal people.

And pray, pray pray for her salvation. Don't pray for her to let you go to church, but pray God will save her and she will come with you. I led my father to the Lord at age 82, only 5 months before he died. A fulfillment of both my Ukrainian grandmother's prayers and mine.

"For nothing will be impossible with God." Luke 1:37
 
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I am just beginning to see that almost always, honesty is the best policy, but it depends on how you do it. You would need to accept that she thinks it is a cult. God leaves us free to choose what we believe, we must do that for others.

You are not dishonoring your mother by standing on your rights and you do not need to be upset when she states how she feels. Smiles, love, and quietly standing with Christ will let you both live in your own way, but still in a loving relationship. You do not need to convince her you are right in your stand, only that it is your right to stand as your heart directs, just as it is her right to stand where her heart directs. Love, your sense of humor, and Christ to strengthen you will carry you through the storms you expect. You might be surprised, with this attitude you might be able to get her to see past the differences to the love you share.

Honesty is the best for relationships.
 
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biscuit

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Why do think Christianity evolves around Judaism? Because Christianity in reality was established by Jews. In reality we accept the Jewish ideology, except we don't practice Judaism. At the other end of the spectrum, Judaism neither accept Jesus Christ or Christian principles. You are accepting a faith (Judaism) that doesn't accept Jesus Christ as Lord. I suggest you read 1 John 2:22-23 ; II John John 9-11 ; 1 John 4:3. Realistically, you cannot combine two religions because God forbid it. IMHO, you will have to choose one.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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""If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." -Luke 14:26 (NASB)

Jesus meant to shock the hearers that nothing should cause them to miss out on the kingdom of God. Jesus uses the Hebrew word for hate here as an idiom, of course, meaning simply to love less.

Just as property can come between us and God and His kingdom, so can relationships and family ties. Jesus was instructing people to put God and His kingdom first.

So my friend, you have your answer. Love and honor your mother and father yet love God more. This means go assemble with the believers and follow Christ. Do it tactfully.

Your parents sound like they'll be critical but not throw you out or cut off the relationship with you. That's good. So be sensitive. Don't try to convert them, fight with them, etc... Just quietly go about your life. In cases like yours, less is more. Walk the walk, don't talk the talk. Peace.


Hello, I have a problem I need some advice with. First a little background history to understand my question better. I promise to make it short.

I was born in Kiev Ukraine. Yes the Ukraine where all the revolution is happening. But anyway. My family immigrated to the USA in 1995. My family is about 75% of Hebrew origin, and 25% Ukrainian. Many of my ancestors practiced Judaism, including my great grandparents on both mother's and father's side. Then the USSR was created. Something happened to my family's mindset. Maybe it was the Holocaust, or maybe it was the SEVERE antisemitism in the USSR and especially Ukraine.

But either way, my grandparents, my mother, and uncle were all descriminated against for being of Hebrew origin all their life in Ukraine. On a daily basis. This caused them to disassociate with Jews and being Jewish. They celebrated their 25% Ukrainian origin, and denied ever being Hebrew/Jewish.

After we moved to America my family saw that Jews are treated with respect here for the most part. But their experience for most of their life caused them to hate anything Jewish. My family is basically agnostic. Conversations about faith with them are almost impossible.

I have always believed in Christ, even when I was a little kid in Ukraine, but after I became an adult, my faith kept growing. I take my belief in Jesus very seriously right now, and can probably call myself saved, although sometimes I doubt, but apologetics saves the day for me. One big reason I'm an apologist (or want to be one), is it helps me with my own faith.

Moving on to the point. This will be hard to understand for most Americans I have to admit. In America, once you turn 18, youre a pathetic loser if you still care what your parents think, or God forbid still live with your mother like I do. I'm just stating facts sorry. But I'm not here to argue this point.

I graduated from university, have a full time job in the science field, but yes I live at home with my mom. I have no father. In my culture (Hebrew or Ukrainian, I'm not sure), its normal to live with your parents until marriage, and you always value what your parents think or say. Also I have been pretty close to my mother all my life.

But here is the dilemma. Nobody in my immediate family has gone to church or synagogue. Every time I tried to talk to my mother about going to church she is afraid that I will end up in some cult. She doesn't trust religion, and is very superstitious. She has her faults, but is ultimately a good person, and has been a good mother.

I want to start going to church. I need a community of fellow believers. Thus far I have been doing it all alone. Reading the bible, listening to apologetics lectures and sermons. For years. Also I have a feeling its the only place to meet a potential wife. I'm definitely not going to meet her at a bar. I hate bars and most stupid things people in their 20's do.

I found what looks like the perfect church for me. Its a Messianic Jewish church which is attended by many Russians/Ukrainians. They openly state that they believe in Jesus and everything Christians believe, but also value their Hebrew heritage and meet on Saturday.

I would love to connect with my Hebrew roots and meet Jews who actually realize that Jesus is their messiah. But the problem is, I don't know how to tell my mother. She will NOT understand. Not only is it a church, its also a Jewish/Christian church. In her mind, its impossible for Jews to believe in Jesus. She will think its a cult. I guarantee you. She knows very little about religion in general.

I even thought about lying to her and just going there. There are times I have lied to her because there are things she cannot understand. Old people with very set in stone ways of thinking influenced by the USSR. You have no idea what its like. And when you are an engineer with a degree and make twice your mother's salary you automatically think your parents are utter morons. ;-)

Please don't tell me to move out, or do my own thing even if my mother will tell me daily how much she hates it. Knowing her, she will get my entirely family involved to tell me I'm crazy, and being trapped or tricked. You have no idea just how little they actually understand about religion.

But I do need your prayers, and advice on how to best tell my mother about this, and pray that she understands and accepts my decision. Thank you.
-Gene
 
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Why do think Christianity evolves around Judaism? Because Christianity in reality was established by Jews. In reality we accept the Jewish ideology, except we don't practice Judaism. At the other end of the spectrum, Judaism neither accept Jesus Christ or Christian principles. You are accepting a faith (Judaism) that doesn't accept Jesus Christ as Lord. I suggest you read 1 John 2:22-23 ; II John John 9-11 ; 1 John 4:3. Realistically, you cannot combine two religions because God forbid it. IMHO, you will have to choose one.
What do you think "Judaism" is? If it is the entire Old Testament, a big portion of the new Testament relates to the Old Testament, so by taking out everything of the Old Testament, our new Testament bible would be very small, indeed. If Christ created a brand new religion, completely apart from Judaism, you would have to write a new bible. Christ said if you know the Father you know me, so if you know Christ you know the Father. You will have to create a new God from scratch, based on Biscuit rather than scripture.
 
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biscuit

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What do you think "Judaism" is? If it is the entire Old Testament, a big portion of the new Testament relates to the Old Testament, so by taking out everything of the Old Testament, our new Testament bible would be very small, indeed. If Christ created a brand new religion, completely apart from Judaism, you would have to write a new bible. Christ said if you know the Father you know me, so if you know Christ you know the Father. You will have to create a new God from scratch, based on Biscuit rather than scripture.
You may want to re-read my post.
 
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biscuit

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What do you think "Judaism" is? If it is the entire Old Testament, a big portion of the new Testament relates to the Old Testament, so by taking out everything of the Old Testament, our new Testament bible would be very small, indeed. If Christ created a brand new religion, completely apart from Judaism, you would have to write a new bible. Christ said if you know the Father you know me, so if you know Christ you know the Father. You will have to create a new God from scratch, based on Biscuit rather than scripture.
You may want to re-read my post because I stated basically the same info that you are referring to.
 
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NewWine

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I will definitely pray for you. I believe honesty is always best, however you can use some finesse here. Explain to your mom that you understand her worry about cults, and even her distaste for religion. She did a great job raising you to be a respectful person, but also one who is intelligent and a self thinker. Go on to explain that you only want to see what this country has to offer you in everything, including beliefs, and so you want to visit this church for a while and see if they are in deed what they claim to be. Reassure her that she will always be welcome to visit with her, and this doesn't mean you're leaving her, but instead you're opening your possibilities of finding a nice life for both of you. This is a need all young adults have, the need to spread their wings and explore the world a bit, and see what's out there. I don't think you're odd or anything living with your mom. In fact I think it's honorable. She needs you as much as you need her. If she expresses concern, reassure her as best you can, but in the end, even living with your mother, you're still an adult, and as such, you need to do what you feel is best for your life. You can do this and still be respectful to her. it might take her some time to understand, but I pray she comes around for you. She loves you and only wants what's best for you I'm sure. If she truly believed it was a safe place for you she would welcome this opportunity for you, and in time, she may see this. Until then, answer her questions honestly and respectfully. By doing so you will be planting the seeds for God to grow in His timing. Peace, my friend....