Fellowship With Transgenders

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FAQ: Should Christians shun transgenders?

REPLY: Absolutely not!

Transgendering isn't specifically addressed in the Bible, viz: it's a gray area,
and as such ought to be approached in accord with the 14th chapter of
Romans which says, in so many words, that we are not permitted to engage
Christian transgenders with debating nor abuse them with judgmental
criticism.

Transgendering is a rough road to travel due to embarrassing therapy
regimens; and side effects, complications, negative public opinion, doubts,
regrets, disappointment, and mood swings that many would rather not talk
about. So be especially careful with your dialogue so as not to push them to
the point where you'll be forcing them to maintain their poise with fibs.

A little empathy, and a whole lot of tact and courtesy, can be very useful in
helping someone get thru the day, ergo: don't become a hell for
transgenders, instead, become a haven because people really ought to feel
safe with Christians instead of wary.

● Matt 7:12 . . So in everything: do to others what you would have them do
to you.
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[maxwel]

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Transgendering isn't specifically addressed in the Bible, viz: it's a gray area,

14th chapter of Romans which says... that we are not permitted to engage Christian transgenders with debating nor... criticism

1.) "Transgender", or a very close equivalent, certainly IS addressed in the Bible, and it's NOT a gray area.
2.) There is nothing in Romans 14 that's says we're to avoid criticism or debate of transgender issues.

We should still treat them with compassion, but nowhere in scripture do we find this a gray area, or confusing, or something we need to tip toe around.

Sin is sin.
We are to understand that clearly.
Then we are to deal with people as compassionately as possible.... but we are never to condone the sin.


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[NEWTOCHRISTIANITY]

I agree: We should show them empathy and love.

 

[maxwel]

Let me add a few more thoughts:

1.) The reason some of these cultural/political issues (like transgenderism) become so complicated, is because they cross into multiple realms, multiple categories, and each category has to be addressed differently.

2.) Transgenderism raises issues of politics, culture, societal norms, education, physical health, medical treatments, laws, civic regulations, personal psychological health and personal spiritual health. These different categories of transgender issues have to be dealt with in different ways.

3.) For example: when addressing the category of political issues I might vigorously debate constitutional precepts, but when addressing the category of personal issues, I might be very gentle and compassionate for the person suffering.

4.) The reason some of these cultural issues (like transgenderism) are so difficult to discuss, is because we conflate all of these different categories, and all of the categories need to be addressed in different ways.

5.) Conclusion: We have to address different aspects of the transgender issue in different ways - there are different categories of problems, and we have to deal with them all differently.


I hope that made some kind of sense, and I hope it wasn't too long winded.

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I have yet to figure out why it is that so many Christians are in the habit of
conflating gender dysphoria with gays and lesbians; but I suspect the
mistake is due to a failure on their part to research the condition-- easily
done by simply taking the time to look for it on YouTube.

From what I've learned thus far: gender dysphoric folk are not what I'd call
a bad influence. For the most part they are simply harmless guys and girls
who truly believed they'd be happier as the opposite sex; and actually quite
a few do find satisfaction in that direction; though of course many
oftentimes discover that the dream was better than the reality as there are
some rather inconvenient complications associated with their surgeries.
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Beware of profiling!

For example it is the personal belief of some that if you're a white man, then
you are automatically a toxic male. Is that true? No, of course not, because
not every white guy is a bad person; in point of fact: quite a few white guys
are very decent folks. You see; profiling fails to take into account an
individual's personal characteristics.

In the same vein, not every transgender person is militant, nor are they all
political activists, nor are they all together unified to poison the minds of
young children. In point of fact, many of the transgenders I've reviewed on
YouTube are anxious to warn children about the hazards associated with
altering their sex.

Therefore I highly recommend dealing with transgenders on an individual
basis, i.e. one at a time, viz: should you meet with a transgender, resist
jumping to conclusions-- first get to know that person before deciding how
best to classify their thinking because if there is one thing on this earth that
everybody despises it's a prejudiced bigot, and too many Christians I
encounter online are exactly that.
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[BillyBob]

I have yet to figure out why it is that so many Christians are in the habit of
conflating gender dysphoria with gays and lesbians; but I suspect the
mistake is due to a failure on their part to research the condition-- easily
done by simply taking the time to look for it on YouTube.

Maybe you give YouTube too much credit for stating the truth, or perhaps you personally know someone who has taken this path in their life and are trying to justify it as being OK. But the truth is that it is not OK and more often than not causes further problems as well, such as influencing others in a bad way.

 

[Magenta]

... resist jumping to conclusions-- first get to know that person before deciding how best to
classify their thinking because if there is one thing on this earth that everybody despises
it's a prejudiced bigot, and too many Christians I encounter online are exactly that.

How well did you get to know these Christian bigots online before you classified them as such? .

 

[Edify]

All sinners need to be saved regardless what sins are predominant in their life.
God so loved the world means exactly that.
God's not willing that any should perish means exactly that.
The maniac of Gadara was demon possessed with over 2000 demons, but a single encounter with Jesus left him clothed & in his right mind.
ANYONE can be saved regardless of their sins if they accept Christ as Lord & Savior.
I admit it, I'm not comfortable around transgenders, but I would rather lead them to Christ than judge then automatically to Hell.
All we do is catch them. It's God's job to clean them.

 

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If you ask me: the real sinners in the world of transgender are the parents,
and the supposedly competent adults in education and the medical
professions, who get kids as young as 12 and 13 started on cross-sex
chemicals which in time have the potential to result in sterility, early-onset
menopause, and irreversible changes to a kid's physical characteristics.

The tragedy of it all is that quite a few youngsters are experimenting with
transgendering while too young to fully comprehend the gravity of what they
are doing to themselves. For example when pre-pubescent girls are told they
may never be able to have children of their own should they choose to go
the distance with transgendering, many don't care because they haven't
matured enough yet to perceive what it's like to be a mommy. Pre
pubescent girls often view children as a messy nuisance.

And then there's also the permanent loss of libido; which is a loss common
to both boys and girls. Pre-pubescent kids have yet to experience full-on
libido and thus are unable to appreciate its value in adulthood.

For example; my first experience with chemo-therapy for esophageal cancer
quenched my normal libido considerably; and I began regarding women as
unsanitary beasts rather than the alluring beauties they are meant to be.
Well; I was very relieved when my libido got back up to speed after
completing chemo, but kids who pursue transgendering to the max quite
possibly will never even get to have a taste of that particular fact of life.

So-called "informed consent" isn't possible with pre-pubescent kids because
they just simply aren't old enough yet to appreciate the risks. For example:
we were babysitting a good friend's little girl one evening while watching
Michael Jackson perform on the television. Teen-age girls in the audience
were screaming and weeping; so our friend's little girl wanted to know why
they were crying like that. My wife explained: "When you get older; you'll
understand" Well I can just about guarantee that with enough cross-sex
chemicals in their systems (e.g. testosterone and puberty blocker) little girls
will never be old enough to understand and thus they'll miss the star-struck
excitement that makes a growing girl's teen-age years so special.
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[timemeddler]

ironically there's plenty of advise for christians on the matter politically. Not as much on how to act if you actually meet one.

 

[Adstar]

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FAQ: Should Christians shun transgenders?

REPLY: Absolutely not!

Transgendering isn't specifically addressed in the Bible, viz: it's a gray area,
and as such ought to be approached in accord with the 14th chapter of
Romans which says, in so many words, that we are not permitted to engage
Christian transgenders with debating nor abuse them with judgmental
criticism.

Transgendering is a rough road to travel due to embarrassing therapy
regimens; and side effects, complications, negative public opinion, doubts,
regrets, disappointment, and mood swings that many would rather not talk
about. So be especially careful with your dialogue so as not to push them to
the point where you'll be forcing them to maintain their poise with fibs.

A little empathy, and a whole lot of tact and courtesy, can be very useful in
helping someone get thru the day, ergo: don't become a hell for
transgenders, instead, become a haven because people really ought to feel
safe with Christians instead of wary.

● Matt 7:12 . . So in everything: do to others what you would have them do
to you.
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Christians should not fellowship with unsaved transgenders .. But they should love them and try to witness to them..

As far as i know, fellowship is only between fellow Christians..

Fellowship to me is helping each other in the Way of salvation..

 

[Amber1980]

I just dont understand it and ill admit I wasnt the best Christian in my younger years but im better now and understand others being with the same sex, I dont support it but understand it but an example I have a couple that are my neighbors, they are dating as man and woman but each of them are in the process of changing genders which he will be the she and she will be the he and as much as i try to wrap my head around it i cant, but still pray for them and wont judge them because thats not my place, I just wonder where this all started im 43 and I cant remember it being around that long and just a side note if people are over 18 and want to do this I guess its their choice but theres no way anyone under 18 should be able to do it without parents consent. To many things the parents are left out of anymore, Just my opinion

 

[Webers.Home]

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Probably no entertainer understood a child's need for acceptance better than
Mr. Rogers.

Herein are the lyrics to one of his songs-- addressed to every kid watching
his show regardless of age, race, and/or gender. It's sort of self explanatory;
so I offer no comments to go with it.

I like you as you are.
Exactly and precisely,
I think you turned out nicely;
And I like you as you are.

I like you as you are.
Without a doubt or question,
Or even a suggestion;
Cause I like you as you are.

I like your disposition,
Your facial composition,
And with your kind permission,
I’ll shout it to a star.

I like you as you are.
I wouldn’t want to change you,
Or even rearrange you;
Not by far.

I like you.
I L-I-K-E Y-O-U
I like you, yes I do.
I like you, Y-O-U,
I like you: like you as you are.
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Music and Lyrics by Josie Carey & Fred Rogers
© McFeely-Rogers Foundation.
All Rights Reserved.

 

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if people are over 18 and want to do this

The thing is: in order for transgenders to successfully pass as a woman,
and/or successfully pass as a man; they pretty much have to begin making
changes to their body in sync with nature's puberty clock; which actually
presents a relatively brief window of opportunity.

Should they begin transitioning at 18-- i.e. after the window has expired --
their body will very likely be stuck in whatever physical configuration nature
gave them. In other words: transitioning girls will be stuck with hips and a
soft appearance + etc, and transitioning boys will be stuck with hair on their
faces and a rugged appearance + etc.

So timing is critical in the transgender process; which can actually work to a
parent's advantage. If mom and dad can manage to keep their underage
child off of cross-sex chemicals during those critical puberty years, it will
become much easier in the long run to persuade their babies to stay as they
are because 18 year-old boys and girls are a whole lots more sensible than
those in the 12-13 group.
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[DRobinson]

God created male and female.
Man cannot change that.
Man can mutilate his fleshly body all he wants, but that will not change what God created.
ALL involved are engaged in sin.
I will pray for them but also point out that they engaged in sin against God and need to repent.

 

[NEWTOCHRISTIANITY]

God created male and female.
Man cannot change that.
Man can mutilate his fleshly body all he wants, but that will not change what God created.
ALL involved are engaged in sin.
I will pray for them but also point out that they engaged in sin against God and need to repent.

But they probably won't repent, because they most likely don't believe that they're doing anything wrong!

 

[DRobinson]

But they probably won't repent, because they most likely don't believe that they're doing anything wrong!

Sadly, I must agree.
But Jesus witnessed to all even though He knew most would reject Him.
We are to follow His example.
Tell them of their sin and that God will forgive IF they repent.
It is then between them and God.
We have done all that God asked us to do.

 

[JohnDB]

Well the effects of the UMC welcoming LGBTQ is clear....they are quickly evaporating and soon will be gone into oblivion. The rest that left the UMC seem to be growing rapidly.

Now who would thunk that?
(Everyone with a brain)

 

[JohnDB]

But they probably won't repent, because they most likely don't believe that they're doing anything wrong!

Repentance is a fundamental prerequisite for receiving salvation.

Being a fan of Christians is insufficient for salvation. Everyone must "Repent and be Baptized " as Peter said.

Not "have spiritual thoughts on occasion and call yourself one of us" That's the way of Gnosticism which is thoroughly condemned by God personally.